World cup 2030 Britan and Ireland

Harry Palmr

Ireland is utterly superfluous for this bid.

Niles Crane

I'm all for us being part of this bid as long as it costs the irish taxpayer exactly zero and no money is spent on it by us and we just use existing stadia without any upgrades being made to them.

Berserker

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I see Sky News now saying that Theresa May says UK govt will support the bid.

Of course, you know that including Ireland is less about practical reasons and more about Brexit and encouraging the Irish onside!

We have two stadiums currently capable - Aviva and Croke Park.

Don't think Croke Park is suitable, unless they plan on closing the terraces.

Kermit.de.frog

sugarman wrote: »

A joint England, Wales & Scotland is more than enough and the most likely outcome here. Little needs very done to accommodate it. It'll be 3 countries, same as 2026.. so 3 can qualify automatically as hosts (cant seeing 5 being allowed) ...and being on one island will go in its favour too.

That has nothing to do with the real reason they want Ireland involved. Although it's a very valid reason not to include us.

This is about Brexit - nothing more. They think by throwing sweets like this our way we will lighten up.

For that reason alone the govt should be wise to it and just say no to the FAI. If the UK come back to us with same idea (which they won't) in a year then i'd say go for it.

This is politically motivated nonsense trying to include the FAI and has no practical basis.

Collie D

sugarman wrote: »

Its fine once theres temporary seating installed as there was for our games during Euro 2008 & World Cup 2010 qualifiers.

Doesnt matter tho because we or Northern Ireland wont be involved.

A joint England, Wales & Scotland is more than enough and the most likely outcome here. Little needs very done to accommodate it. It'll be 3 countries, same as 2026.. so 3 can qualify automatically as hosts (cant seeing 5 being allowed) ...and being on one island will go in its favour too.

Whilst I agree that Ireland (of both varieties) won't and don't need to be included I don't think the bid being on one island will make much of a difference even though it should.

Both UEFA and FIFA have already shown they don't give a damn about travelling supporters by scrapping the two cities per group formula. I haven't checked in a while but off the top of my head I think Denmark's group fixtures in Russia involved almost 36 hours of train travel between cities.

I checked at the time of the draw out of morbid curiosity to see where we'd be if we'd won THAT playoff. Quite possible that there were worse journeys for some of the other 31 teams.

yabadabado

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That has nothing to do with the real reason they want Ireland involved. Although it's a very valid reason not to include us.

This is about Brexit - nothing more. They think by throwing sweets like this our way we will lighten up.

For that reason alone the govt should be wise to it and just say no to the FAI. If the UK come back to us with same idea (which they won't) in a year then i'd say go for it.

This is politically motivated nonsense trying to include the FAI and has no practical basis.

If England think that then they really are ****ed with Brexit.

Not a hope any political figures are changing their stance on Brexit based on getting a few games in the world cup in 12 years time.

Harry Palmr

Niles Crane wrote: »

I'm all for us being part of this bid as long as it costs the irish taxpayer exactly zero and no money is spent on it by us and we just use existing stadia without any upgrades being made to them.

While the stadiums may not require much work you can be sure they'll be plenty of demands made regarding supporting infrastructure and even developments to suit the commercial partners - fanzones and all that stuff.

Agent Coulson

If we do join and get to hold a World Cup game or two any chance the FAI will have paid off their part of the Aviva stadium debt by then.

yabadabado

FAI expect the debt to be repaid by 2020.

Berserker

sugarman wrote: »

Its fine once theres temporary seating installed as there was for our games during Euro 2008 & World Cup 2010 qualifiers.

That's ok for qualifiers but not for a tournament game, iirc.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is about Brexit - nothing more. They think by throwing sweets like this our way we will lighten up.

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This is politically motivated nonsense trying to include the FAI and has no practical basis.

Nope, Brexit is happening now. This tournament is in 2030. Brexit will have come and gone by then, as will the majority of the major players in Brexit. Their political legacy will have been signed, sealed and delivered. Hosting the WC will have no baring on that.

dan1895

Berserker wrote: »

That's ok for qualifiers but not for a tournament game, iirc.

The Yekaterinburg stadium had two massive temporary stands for the World Cup just gone.

Berserker

dan1895 wrote: »

The Yekaterinburg stadium had two massive temporary stands for the World Cup just gone.

Ah ok, that answer that then. Thought it needed to be permanent seating for a WC.

ArmaniJeanss

Yekaterinburg wasn't meant to have temporary stands though, it was only agreed by FIFA this year when it became obvious that the agreed ground redevelopment wouldn't be ready but tickets had already been sold.

Coillte_Bhoy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That has nothing to do with the real reason they want Ireland involved. Although it's a very valid reason not to include us.

This is about Brexit - nothing more. They think by throwing sweets like this our way we will lighten up.

For that reason alone the govt should be wise to it and just say no to the FAI. If the UK come back to us with same idea (which they won't) in a year then i'd say go for it.

This is politically motivated nonsense trying to include the FAI and has no practical basis.

Sorry but how exactly is this related to brexit?

Zebra3

Delaney to bring both the Euros and the World Cup to Ireland.

What a man.

yabadabado

sugarman wrote: »

Last 2(or 3) World Cups aside, where temporary seating was used for incomplete stadiums...

..every stadium of the 2006 World Cup had temporary seating installed in sections as they still have standing sections on terraces in Germany. Even on Dortmunds massive 25k "Yellow Wall". So itd be no bother in Croker.

The Yellow Wall has seats for all European games so mustn't be a big job to install and remove.

Is there seating there all the time and its locked in place(wont flip down) for league games ?

I'm convinced that England's biggest issue with hosting a world cup is that it could do it tomorrow. FIFA does seem to like awarding world cups to countries where massive amounts of construction will take place.

Coincidentally, Marty Byrde seems to also like construction projects to launder money in Ozark......

munchkin_utd

Berserker wrote: »

Ah ok, that answer that then. Thought it needed to be permanent seating for a WC.

if you look at hill 16 during the time there was non GAA sports there, the "temporary" seating was still proper bucket seats bolted into the concrete, so essentially permanent seats, installed temporarily.
When Hill 16 was rebuilt it was designed to be converted to all seater should the need arise (more to comply with the law than expecting to have to pander to Uefa/ Fifa standards) so its not as if its a haphazard solution to an unexpected problem.

What was done in Landsdowne years ago, and Ykatherinberg, was errecting scaffolding and a temporary stand on top, so somewhat different than Croke park.

Heres a couple of pics (all from https://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/D0703098/5000/ )