So who's going to see the Pope?

Wheeliebin30

Irish Kings wrote: »

how can you watch traitors that did not boycott them ?

I didn’t call for a boycott?????

Irish Kings

Rosie2018 wrote: »

The church has it's doctrine, it wouldn't be the church if not. Do you think it should adapt to what's convenient for you?

if they want people to go to their shows, yes, why not ?

Rosie2018

Peatys wrote: »

I'm sure it's just coincidence that not long after the abortion and gay marriage referendums passed the pope turns up on a propaganda tour.
If you're sick of looking at tourists trying to spread out in a half full croker, have a goo a this.

Step outside the aul echo chamber

I think you're not the sharpest Peaty. This was organised long before the Abortion Referendum, probably Gay Marriage too. All Irelands put back etc.

Rosie2018

Irish Kings wrote: »

if they want people to go to their shows, yes, why not ?

People are going anyway.

awec

Rosie2018 wrote: »

The church has it's doctrine, it wouldn't be the church if not. Do you think it should adapt to what's convenient for you?

Nope, but it should be called out for exactly what it is, and we should stop pretending that it's a bastion of decency.

Irish Kings

Rosie2018 wrote: »

People are going anyway.

going away you mean, mass shows are almost empty these days

Rosie2018

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Looks like it's gonna be a wet one tomorrow.....

Phoenix Park is never gonna be same again!

Piss **** dentures and zimmer frames all over the place!

Well don't go if your health isn't up to it..

Junkyard Tom

I was just chatting with a relative there who was saying her lovely neighbours had gotten up a 7am in the morning, in the pissing rain, to wave them off with Union Flegs and jeering back in 1979.

How Soon Is Now

Irish Kings wrote: »

your poor ma, would you not help her ?

Ah me ma hasn't got to that stage yet! She's only in her 50s!

Rosie2018

Irish Kings wrote: »

going away you mean, mass shows are almost empty these days

Not where I'm from in Kilkenny.

Strazdas

awec wrote: »

Religion "gives" many people the structure to live "good" lives, as deemed "good" by the church.

These are some of the things that we enjoy freely today, despite kicking and screaming from the church: divorce, contraception, married women in the public sector, being gay and not being a criminal, tampons.

You understand that, right? The church believes people who wear condoms are not good people, in fact I think it labelled them "evil".

Many of our modern human rights come from religion : killing another human being wrong at all times, the concept of forgiveness and a person being given a second chance. charity towards others, the need to look after the poor etc. It is not entirely clear if all of these would have developed without the Church : they might have but then again might not.

RobertKK

Peatys wrote: »

I'm sure it's just coincidence that not long after the abortion and gay marriage referendums passed the pope turns up on a propaganda tour.
If you're sick of looking at tourists trying to spread out in a half full croker, have a goo a this.

Step outside the aul echo chamber

Yes as it was announced in Philadelphia in 2015 that it would be held in Dublin in 2018.
The Pope always attends this event.

Peatys

Rosie2018 wrote: »

I think you're not the sharpest Peaty. This was organised long before the Abortion Referendum, probably Gay Marriage too. All Irelands put back etc.

When do you think it was organised?

awec

Strazdas wrote: »

Many of our modern human rights come from religion : killing another human being wrong at all times, the concept of forgiveness and a person being given a second chance. charity towards others, the need to look after the poor etc. It is not entirely clear if all of these would have developed without the Church : they might have but then again might not.

You have absolutely no idea whatsoever if this is true or not.

I think we already busted this myth about 10 pages ago.

Bubbaclaus

Rosie2018 wrote: »

Not where I'm from in Kilkenny.

The twilight zone in Kilkenny?

Rosie2018

Peatys wrote: »

When do you think it was organised?

2014/2015 I'd say. Around Philadelphia 2015. Like World Cups.

In fairness the pope is speaking well.

FrancieBrady

awec wrote: »

You have absolutely no idea whatsoever if this is true or not.

I think we already busted this myth about 10 pages ago.

Like you say Awec, they aren't behind the fence when it comes to taking credit for the good stuff.

Rosie2018

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

The twilight zone in Kilkenny?

No. A modern Irish county. Not Bubba land

Irish Kings

Strazdas wrote: »

Many of our modern human rights come from religion : killing another human being wrong at all times,

no its not, not if the people vote for it in a referendum, like most Catholics did

Hitman3000

Rosie2018 wrote:

Move over.. there's only one Francie in town and it ain't you

Tut tut calling Pope Francis "Francie" I only called him Frank which you took great exception to. Hypocrite much? lol

Rosie2018

Irish Kings wrote: »

no its not, not if the people vote for it in a referendum

It might be legal. But it's not moral for a practising Catholic. If you're in the club you have rules.

Irish Kings

Rosie2018 wrote: »

It might be legal. But it's not moral for a practising Catholic. If you're in the club you have rules.

No you don't as many Catholic's who met the Pope today proved.

irishman86

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Was that what all those religious wars and butchery that went on, was for? Refining men? Who knew!

awec wrote: »

More nonsense.

Maybe read a book, its considered the leading factor in why humans survived/evolved. They had a reason to come together that was it. It created a us when before there was only a I
Like i dont give a **** about religion either way but smarter people than i have it as the deciding factor
In the exact same way as sports work today with tribalism, its not hard to see a Munster connection the same way as a Leinster connection
Before was religion now we have sports

awec

Rosie2018 wrote: »

It might be legal. But it's not moral for a practising Catholic. If you're in the club you have rules.

The number of catholics who abide by all the rules must be somewhere around the zero mark.

If that is your definition of catholic then you're in a very exclusive club.

Rosie2018

awec wrote: »

You have absolutely no idea whatsoever if this is true or not.

I think we already busted this myth about 10 pages ago.

'We' are you some sort of plurality now?! You busted nothing kid but just kept repeating ad nauseum, 'prove me wrong'.

irishman86

Discodog wrote: »

Religion had to exist. People had to be scared in order to obey. But that has changed, we have the law now.

Religion was around a lot longer than the need to obey, christ does anyone on here read

FrancieBrady

Rosie2018 wrote: »

It might be legal. But it's not moral for a practising Catholic. If you're in the club you have rules.

What happens people who rape children in your church?

irishman86

Autochange wrote: »

It will die off.

If your next argument is , i just know i will die :pac:

WinnyThePoo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What happens people who rape children in your church?

Shhh!

awec

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What happens people who rape children in your church?

Nothing usually.

Sometimes a promotion.

Rosie2018

awec wrote: »

The number of catholics who abide by all the rules must be somewhere around the zero mark.

If that is your definition of catholic then you're in a very exclusive club.

100% wrong. What's new. A third of the population voted against abortion. How is that around zero? Have you a survey on Catholics who don't use contraception? Thought not..

It just further illustrates that you talk nonsense.

FrancieBrady

awec wrote: »

Nothing usually.

Sometimes a promotion.

And a cover up and denial from the faithful and a trip in a pickup around Dublin for the man who oversees it all.

Wheeliebin30

awec wrote: »

Nothing usually.

Sometimes a promotion.

Or a nice 4 bed house in a county of your choosing!!

Irish Kings

Rosie2018 wrote: »

100% wrong. What's new. A third of the population voted against abortion. How is that around zero? Have you a survey on Catholics who don't use contraception? Thought not..

It just further illustrates that you talk nonsense.

and yet 80% of people in Ireland are Catholic according to the census, so the referendum would never have passed unless lots of Catholics voted for abortion.

Rosie2018

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What happens people who rape children in your church?

I've never witnessed a rape in my church. I'd go to the gardai.

What do you do when people are raped in your political party? Aren't you a big fan of the BBC? Did you complain online or in print about their sex scandals and rape?

dasdog

If there is something worse than devout Catholics it's Protestants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kacs5YdJ4Q

Rosie2018

Irish Kings wrote: »

and yet 80% of people in Ireland are Catholic according to the census, so the referendum would never have passed unless lots of Catholics voted for abortion.

That wasn't the question posed. Zero percent of Catholics practice properly according to Mr. I don't have to prove anything just say stuff.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What happens people who rape children in your church?

Well, in some organisations, those who are guilty of child abuse get helped to find a job working with children in another jurisdiction.

Strazdas

awec wrote: »

You have absolutely no idea whatsoever if this is true or not.

I think we already busted this myth about 10 pages ago.

Modern society could have decided that killing others is absolutely fine and not a taboo at all. It is far from a given that society would have adapted and evolved at the same pace without the existence of the Church.

The idea of forgiving those who do personal harm to you seemed to emerge with Christianity and did not exist before then.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I wouldn't get too annoyed at him, he is just trying to troll the thread. He knows very well that Adams addressed his faults in the issue with his brother. And there are no child abuse cases ongoing in a court nor none pending against any member of SF that I am aware of.

Just like the Church got away with it for years, so does the Republican movement, just ask Mairia Cahill.

irishman86

awec wrote: »

Nope, but it should be called out for exactly what it is, and we should stop pretending that it's a bastion of decency.

Do you call out every institution or is it just the church?
Rabble rabble rabble rant rant rant

FrancieBrady

Rosie2018 wrote: »

I've never witnessed a rape in my church. I'd go to the gardai.

Oh wow, you really sidestepped that one so brilliantly. :rolleyes:

What do you do when people are raped in your political party? Aren't you a big fan of the BBC? Did you complain online or in print about their sex scandals and rape?

I don't have a political party, if you are referring to SF, I condemn and cheer when any politician who has commited an abuse goes to jail.

Same as a television station. I certainly don't condone it by sidestepping questions because they highlight the hypocrisy of my position, like you just did.

Hitman3000

Mr.Crinklewood wrote:

PS....lying is a sin..

So is raping kids.

Rosie2018

awec wrote: »

Nothing usually.

Sometimes a promotion.

How the fcuk did you become a moderator? Trite, cheap statements. Narrow minded, absolute trash talking..

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And a cover up and denial from the faithful and a trip in a pickup around Dublin for the man who oversees it all.

Beats a trip around South Armagh in a blindfold wondering if you will get home alive.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Just like the Church got away with it for years, so does the Republican movement, just ask Mairia Cahill.

Maria was raped by a man, allegedly not a 'movement'.. He hasn't had his day in court , to answer the allegations. A court he willingly turned up to.
But you get the noose out anyway there blanch.

Mr.Crinklewood

Hitman3000 wrote: »

So is raping kids.

Where did I say it wasn't?

In my opinion it is a vile act,and those guilty of it should receive the utmost punishment.

If you think it is the same as lying,I'd be worried about you.

Rosie2018

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh wow, you really sidestepped that one so brilliantly. :rolleyes:



I don't have a political party, if you are referring to SF, I condemn and cheer when any politician who has commited an abuse goes to jail.

Same as a television station. I certainly don't condone it by sidestepping questions because they highlight the hypocrisy of my position, like you just did.

Whatever Francie, your just anti Catholic. Turn a blind eye to abuse in your particular areas of interest.

Irish Kings

Rosie2018 wrote: »

How the fcuk did you become a moderator? Trite, cheap statements. Narrow minded, absolute trash talking..

Cursing and using bad language and calling people names, how Christian of you.
Swearing is also against the forum charter.

FrancieBrady

Rosie2018 wrote: »

Whatever Francie, your just anti Catholic. Turn a blind eye to abuse in your particular areas of interest.

Now we get into scurrilous innuendo because you cannot answer the question. Brilliantly pathetic. :rolleyes: