So who's going to see the Pope?

Varta

Watching people walking the roads this morning to the park it was obvious that they only required the footpaths. Closing so many roads and putting locals on lockdown was way over the top. Ireland has changed. The air seems somehow fresher today.

Plague Maiden

Ten Pin wrote: »

Better music from the Pope

Boom boom

You beat me to it.

Strazdas

Billy86 wrote: »

There are many that hate the RCC, but to be honest I think we're more at a point now where the majority simply just don't care.

Yes indeed, I think too the RCC haters are totally over-represented on this forum....the vast majority of the population are just getting on with their lives.

ANDREWMUFC

JESSUUUSSSS CHRIST, YOU ARE MA LIFEEEEE DUDUDUD

road_high

Back in 1979 you’d have had very few foreign nationals in attendance. If they hadn't them all today it would have been dismal

Hitman3000

Strazdas wrote:

Which must be very frustrating for the protesters. All that effort and it was never going to be a full house anyway....became an empty gesture.

Actually seeing such a poor turnout and the large numbers at the garden of remembrance is heart warming.

Allinall

Varta wrote: »

Watching people walking the roads this morning to the park it was obvious that they only required the footpaths. Closing so many roads and putting locals on lockdown was way over the top. Ireland has changed. The air seems somehow fresher today.

I’m a local and there was no “lockdown”.

I was able to go and return twice by car.

Spanish Eyes

Is it really necessary to close the streets until 11pm tonight?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

appledrop wrote: »

Very few people going to see the Pope by the looks of it. The weather will be used as the excuse but even yesterday when lovely day very few lined the streets in city centre.

Exactly. The weather was perfect for going to see him yesterday.

road_high

They’re all grabbing the flowers!

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Try_harder wrote: »

Did Ed Sheehan pull bigger numbers?

Almost certainly.

Irish Kings

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Actually seeing such a poor turnout and the large numbers at the garden of remembrance is heart warming.

how many people turned up for the protest, must be 3-400 thousand ?

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/declanganley/status/1033746239525986307

Strazdas

road_high wrote: »

Back in 1979 you’d have had very few foreign nationals in attendance. If they hadn't them all today it would have been dismal

Brenda Power was on Sky News earlier and said comparisons with 1979 are probably very unfair anyway. An attendance of 1m or 1.5m people in one place was an absolute freakish and one off event in Irish history and everything would suffer in comparison.

In 2018, there is nothing whatsoever that would make 1m or 1.5m people gather in one place in Dublin : religious, atheist or anything else.

Allinall

Irish Kings wrote: »

how many people turned up for the protest, must be 3-400 thousand ?

It wasn’t a protest, apparently.

I heard from a reliable source that there was about 500 there.

Billy86

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/declanganley/status/1033746239525986307

Was it him that claimed he would feck off into the wilderness if he didn't get his way in the 8th referendum, or one of the other ones?

alan partridge aha

Allinall wrote: »

It wasn’t a protest, apparently.

I heard from a reliable source that there was about 500 there.

Oh Jeepers is that all, poor COG will be crying into his cornflakes.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/declanganley/status/1033746239525986307

His tweets are always a joy to read.

I don’t agree with the whole business of protestors block-booking tickets but it’s not fraud. Tickets can be booked and not used.

Hitman3000

Irish Kings wrote:

how many people turned up for the protest, must be 3-400 thousand ?

Saw the article on the examiner site. Several thousand, small turnout in Tuam but symbolic all the same. Fair play to Catherine Corless.

Sammy2012

Why would you bother though? If people want to go so what? Let them on. Yes the church did awful things in the past but if people want to go and celebrate mass with the pope let them on. People are on about the waste of money that the whole thing was but if they honestly believe that the money would have been spent on something useful they are more niave than I thought? We currently have MASSIVE social problems in this country and attending a mass in the Phoenix park is nowhere near the top of the list. Why are people not out protesting against waiting lists? Children who are waiting years for operations/therapies? The trolley crisis? The homeless crisis? The housing crisis? The government have so much more to answer for currently in this country than an 81 year old man. People really need to wake up about is actually going on in this country today???!!! It doesn't mean that the church shouldn't answer for what they have done in the past but many people have been abused in one way or another from other members of society includong their own family members over the years so it's not only the church who has questions to answer here.

iguana

Allinall wrote: »

It wasn’t a protest, apparently.

I heard from a reliable source that there was about 500 there.

A reliable source that can't count?

https://www.facebook.com/SolidarityTimes/videos/1922152441425346/?hc_ref=ARSh7g31xaw7s3Mj9Ngqz0_bCuzKuntgqietjRcyiEkYRVEWpSP1R0XPBOK7raoG1WY&__xts__

Varta

"I’m a local and there was no “lockdown”.

I was able to go and return twice by car."

I'm also local and no one in my area has been allowed to drive outside of a short window earlier.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Why would you bother though? If people want to go so what? Let them on. Yes the church did awful things in the past but if people want to go and celebrate mass with the pope let them on. People are on about the waste of money that the whole thing was but if they honestly believe that the money would have been spent on something useful they are more niave than I thought? We currently have MASSIVE social problems in this country and attending a mass in the Phoenix park is nowhere near the top of the list. Why are people not out protesting against waiting lists? Children who are waiting years for operations/therapies? The trolley crisis? The homeless crisis? The housing crisis? The government have so much more to answer for currently in this country than an 81 year old man. People really need to wake up about is actually going on in this country today???!!! It doesn't mean that the church shouldn't answer for what they have done in the past but many people have been abused in one way or another from other members of society includong their own family members over the years so it's not only the church who has questions to answer here.

Hello, whataboutery.

bobmalooka

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Allinall wrote: »

It wasn’t a protest, apparently.

I heard from a reliable source that there was about 500 there.

Oh Jeepers is that all, poor COG will be crying into his cornflakes.

Lovely, the pope asks for forgiveness for what was done to children by the church - his followers still mock them.

batgoat

Allinall wrote: »

It wasn’t a protest, apparently.

I heard from a reliable source that there was about 500 there.

Striking me as more than 500 from any of the images I'm seeing..
https://twitter.com/1GaryGannon/status/1033746915446415361

Hitman3000

alan partridge aha wrote:

Oh Jeepers is that all, poor COG will be crying into his cornflakes.

Have a look at the Irish Examiner. COG is quite happy with the thousands that turned out.

Achasanai

harr wrote: »

They have half a million pieces of bread for the communion and 8000 to give it out..that’s a lot of waste

I never thought about what they do with any of the communion that isn't taken at mass. Surely you can't just dump bits of Jesus into the bin?

Irish Kings

Varta wrote: »

"I’m a local and there was no “lockdown”.

I was able to go and return twice by car."

I'm also local and no one in my area has been allowed to drive outside of a short window earlier.

no it was a massive lock down, and residents were made virtual prisoners in their own homes

Achasanai

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

His tweets are always a joy to read.

I don’t agree with the whole business of protestors block-booking tickets but it’s not fraud. Tickets can be booked and not used.

Particularly as a ticket to the pope meant you got free travel. Had I known that I would've booked a at least a few for myself.

Billy86

Strazdas wrote: »

Brenda Power was on Sky News earlier and said comparisons with 1979 are probably very unfair anyway. An attendance of 1m or 1.5m people in one place was an absolute freakish and one off event in Irish history and everything would suffer in comparison.

In 2018, there is nothing whatsoever that would make 1m or 1.5m people gather in one place in Dublin : religious, atheist or anything else.

It wasn't a freak, one-off occurrence. It was a sign of the times and if it had happened in 1981 or 1977 the turnout would have been similar. Times have simply changed, and despite the population being about 50% bigger now than in '79 (3.3mn-ish vs 4.8mn-ish) the turnout is so much lower due to the fact that most of us are done with the Church being a part of our lives. This should be a sign that it is time to remove the schooling element as it has led to wildly inaccurate demographics as to how many Catholics there are in this country.

Very, very few things would draw in such a crowd as 1979, but if for example Ireland won the football World Cup I would expect to see close to, or possibly even higher, numbers in the city centre to celebrate.

Strazdas

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Why would you bother though? If people want to go so what? Let them on. Yes the church did awful things in the past but if people want to go and celebrate mass with the pope let them on. People are on about the waste of money that the whole thing was but if they honestly believe that the money would have been spent on something useful they are more niave than I thought? We currently have MASSIVE social problems in this country and attending a mass in the Phoenix park is nowhere near the top of the list. Why are people not out protesting against waiting lists? Children who are waiting years for operations/therapies? The trolley crisis? The homeless crisis? The housing crisis? The government have so much more to answer for currently in this country than an 81 year old man. People really need to wake up about is actually going on in this country today???!!! It doesn't mean that the church shouldn't answer for what they have done in the past but many people have been abused in one way or another from other members of society includong their own family members over the years so it's not only the church who has questions to answer here.

And keep in mind the Irish state itself was mistreating women and children in the past, often with extreme harshness and zero compassion. Using the logic of the protesters, we should all be boycotting the Irish state itself and regarding it as rancid and corrupt for past and current crimes .

Allinall

Irish Kings wrote: »

no it was a massive lock down, and residents were made virtual prisoners in their own homes

I disagree.

I was able to go and return, twice by car.

There was no lockdown.

Irish Kings

it's very strange - if the journal figures are to be believed, 500,000 tickets were booked, and yet 370,000 people didn't turn up.

Billy86

Ten Pin wrote: »

Ganleys mention of ticket fraud is laughable

This is not intended as a shot at Catholics in general whatsoever, but Ganley is a perfect example of the type that has no moral compass nor sense of decency or honesty that hides behind the 'man of god' facade like the coward that he is. As an individual, he is pond scum and nothing more.

Irish Kings

Allinall wrote: »

I disagree.

I was able to go and return, twice by car.

There was no lockdown.

no, it was forced imprisonment.

Discodog

Strazdas wrote: »

Which must be very frustrating for the protesters. All that effort and it was never going to be a full house anyway....became an empty gesture.

Hardly. Lots of publicity & an even more empty event

frozenfrozen

I thought only 300k tickets were booked not 500k?

Discodog

road_high wrote: »

I’m hardly pro RCC but that was actually a very nasty, petty stunt. Let people go if they wanted to. They mightn’t have wanted to go but no point blocking others from doing so

It didn't block anyone. Lots of tickets left

Irish Kings

Billy86 wrote: »

This is not intended as a shot at Catholics in general whatsoever, but Ganley is a perfect example of the type that has no moral compass nor sense of decency or honesty that hides behind the 'man of god' facade like the coward that he is. As an individual, he is pond scum and nothing more.

very decent of you, Ganley is English scum

Sammy2012

Strazdas wrote: »

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Why would you bother though? If people want to go so what? Let them on. Yes the church did awful things in the past but if people want to go and celebrate mass with the pope let them on. People are on about the waste of money that the whole thing was but if they honestly believe that the money would have been spent on something useful they are more niave than I thought? We currently have MASSIVE social problems in this country and attending a mass in the Phoenix park is nowhere near the top of the list. Why are people not out protesting against waiting lists? Children who are waiting years for operations/therapies? The trolley crisis? The homeless crisis? The housing crisis? The government have so much more to answer for currently in this country than an 81 year old man. People really need to wake up about is actually going on in this country today???!!! It doesn't mean that the church shouldn't answer for what they have done in the past but many people have been abused in one way or another from other members of society includong their own family members over the years so it's not only the church who has questions to answer here.

And keep in mind the Irish state itself was mistreating women and children in the past, often with extreme harshness and zero compassion. Using the logic of the protesters, we should all be boycotting the Irish state itself and regarding it as rancid and corrupt for past and current crimes .

Are the Irish state still not mistreating children?? 18 month waiting list for speech therapy? The same for occupational therapy? Underfunded schools?

Allinall

Irish Kings wrote: »

no, it was forced imprisonment.

No it wasn’t.

Residents were able to come and go as they pleased.

Irish Kings

frozenfrozen wrote: »

I thought only 300k tickets were booked not 500k?

journal.ie claims 500,000 were booked out and 130,000 attended.

Guy:Incognito

"They all flew in from abroad, that's why the referendum passed"


" they booked all the tickets so we couldn't go"

****ing hell the whinging . No acceptamce of truth and reality (which fits in with the belief system in fairness)


I don't remember hearing any reports during the week of 350,000 people being stuck for tickets. Suffering in silence were They?

iguana

Billy86 wrote: »

Very, very few things would draw in such a crowd as 1979, but if for example Ireland won the football World Cup I would expect to see close to, or possibly even higher, numbers in the city centre to celebrate.

Considering that in Limerick, a county with a population of 195k, had 120k turn out for an All-Ireland win. I'd say it's safe to say that an Irish men's soccer world cup win could see crowds way, way in (proportional) excess of anything seen in 1979.

eviltwin

Irish Kings wrote: »

journal.ie claims 500,000 were booked out and 130,000 attended.

shame on every single one of them

Irish Kings

eviltwin wrote: »

shame on every single one of them

Agreed, I hope there is a way of tracing the intolerant scum that did attend.

fly_agaric

Allinall wrote: »

No it wasn’t.

Residents were able to come and go as they pleased.

You couldn't drive your pollution-spewing people-wagon/'d4' tractor about for a few hrs and were reduced to the shanks mare so it was a 'forced imprisonment' from a certain point of view!:pac:

Allinall

Irish Kings wrote: »

I hope there is a way of tracing the scum that did attend.

For what purpose ?

Irish Kings

Allinall wrote: »

For what purpose ?

at the very least to shame them and their families in the future

Allinall

Irish Kings wrote: »

at the very least to shame them and their families in the future

Shame? How?

And why bring their families into it?