So who's going to see the Pope?

Hitman3000

Taytoland wrote:

It's not fine for the Pope to be invited but Obama was welcomed with open arms while bombing the hell out of children with drones.

I'm not aware of crimes Obama committed in Ireland maybe you know. However the crimes of the Catholic church in Ireland is well documented.

Omackeral

murpho999 wrote: »

These gets thrown out all the time.

Care to back it up with anything solid?

Are you disputing Obama was welcomed or are you disputing he stood over drone strikes?

Hitman3000

Taytoland wrote:

Not if this thread is anything to go by. Talk of people buying up tickets to spoil it for Catholics wanting to see him. Spiteful Marxists in action.

Whose buying tickets? they are free. If you are going to have a rant at least inform yourself.

seamus

Taytoland wrote: »

Not if this thread is anything to go by. Talk of people buying up tickets to spoil it for Catholics wanting to see him. Spiteful Marxists in action.

Womp womp

Donald Trump

Omackeral wrote: »

The latter is definitely what happened here though. It was institutional abuses by branches of an organisation. Pope Francis is head of that organisation. Now, by all accounts he seems to be a decent man but he's the head of the RCC so that's why the ire goes his way. I wouldn't bother my balls protesting anything myself but I can see why others would.

If you have evidence of any wrong-doing by the current person at the top, or any of his recent predecessors, then by all means protest it and have them charged and brought to justice.


Else it is just thinly hidden anti-Catholic bias.


Should we still protest the British Establishment and try to prevent people from identifying as British, even up North, because the Brits did us a lot of damage in the past? I mean the individuals who did that damage are no longer in power, or even alive in most cases. And time has changed the institutions they represented. But they did do bad things. So lets prevent anyone from expressing anything favouribel to do with Britishness

ohnonotgmail

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

These threads always bring out the true hatred
and colours in those proclaiming to be all tolerant and secularist.

why would anybody be tolerant of child abuse?

Hector Savage

pcuser wrote: »

You inspired me to get another 12. I now have 22 available. This can keep going on all day.

Me too !!

I got 12

This email is confirmation that your booking for:

World Meeting of Families Final Mass
Sunday 26th August 2018
Phoenix Park, Dublin

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This email is NOT a ticket. Your ticket application will be processed in the coming weeks.

You will receive your ticket(s) via email to this email address before 31st July 2018. Your tickets will be 'print-at-home' format.

Your tickets will be for a specific standing section at the Mass site. Tickets will be allocated on the basis of your route and the date of your booking. The World Meeting of Families 2018 controls all ticket allocation decisions and those decisions are final.

Hitman3000

Donald Trump wrote:

Should we still protest the British Establishment and try to prevent people from identifying as British, even up North, because the Brits did us a lot of damage in the past? I mean the individuals who did that damage are no longer in power, or even alive in most cases. And time has changed the institutions they represented. But they did do bad things. So lets prevent anyone from expressing anything favouribel to do with Britishness

That's a subject for a different thread I would imagine. Loving the whataboutery though.

murpho999

Taytoland wrote: »

Not if this thread is anything to go by. Talk of people buying up tickets to spoil it for Catholics wanting to see him. Spiteful Marxists in action.

Marxists?

You do realise that people have the right to protests?
It's not as if they're not a controversial organisation that has done some bad things in Ireland?

murpho999

Omackeral wrote: »

Are you disputing Obama was welcomed or are you disputing he stood over drone strikes?

The drone strikes that targeted children?

Omackeral

murpho999 wrote: »

The drone strikes that targeted children?

The poster you quoted didn't say targeted children though.

Taytoland

murpho999 wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Not if this thread is anything to go by. Talk of people buying up tickets to spoil it for Catholics wanting to see him. Spiteful Marxists in action.

Marxists?

You do realise that people have the right to protests?
It's not as if they're not a controversial organisation that has done some bad things in Ireland?

As I said I'm not the biggest fan at all as that would seem obvious. But the Pope is loved among Catholics and they must be respected to see the holy Father. I would have to side with the Catholics on this one over the reds.

murpho999

Omackeral wrote: »

The poster you quoted didn't say targeted children though.

Yes it did.

It's not fine for the Pope to be invited but Obama was welcomed with open arms while bombing the hell out of children with drones.

Hector Savage

Think ill put mine up on eBay for €100 each closer to the day ... see if someone is dumb enough to pay ..

Donald Trump

Hitman3000 wrote: »

That's a subject for a different thread I would imagine. Loving the whataboutery though.

It's not "whataboutery"


Just seeing whether people are consistent




Most of them are probably driven by petty personal spitefulness and hate though

TheValeyard

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why would anybody be tolerant of child abuse?

No one is advocating or tolerant of child abuse. To suggest such is blatantly a lie

Donald Trump

Hector Savage wrote: »

Think ill put mine up on eBay for €100 each closer to the day ... see if someone is dumb enough to pay ..

What a scumbag thing to do

Hitman3000

Taytoland wrote:

As I said I'm not the biggest fan at all as that would seem obvious. But the Pope is loved among Catholics and they must be respected to see the holy Father. I would have to side with the Catholics on this one over the reds.

Reds, Marxists? Someone's hat is on too tight.

Omackeral

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes it did.

Doesn't say targeted at all.

murpho999

Taytoland wrote: »

As I said I'm not the biggest fan at all as that would seem obvious. But the Pope is loved among Catholics and they must be respected to see the holy Father. I would have to side with the Catholics on this one over the reds.

Erdogan is loved by lots of Turks, Putin by lots of Russians, does that mean they or their regimes should not be criticised?

Hitman3000

Donald Trump wrote:

It's not "whataboutery"

It is and you know it. ; )

Hitman3000

Hector Savage wrote:

Think ill put mine up on eBay for €100 each closer to the day ... see if someone is dumb enough to pay ..

Donate the money to 1 in 4.

Pa8301

Taytoland wrote: »

As I said I'm not the biggest fan at all as that would seem obvious. But the Pope is loved among Catholics and they must be respected to see the holy Father. I would have to side with the Catholics on this one over the reds.

So anyone who doesn't support the Pope's visit is a Communist?

ohnonotgmail

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

No one is advocating or tolerant of child abuse. To suggest such is blatantly a lie

why would anybody tolerate an organisation that was (is?) complicit in and facilitated child abuse?

Taytoland

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Taytoland wrote:

As I said I'm not the biggest fan at all as that would seem obvious. But the Pope is loved among Catholics and they must be respected to see the holy Father. I would have to side with the Catholics on this one over the reds.

Reds, Marxists? Someone's hat is on too tight.

People with Marxist ideals who follow the trend of postmodernism with progressive politics. I reject progressive politics, so the logical conclusion is to defend the Pope's visit and the Catholics who want to see him. If the degenerates of Irish society want to protest, then go ahead.

Donald Trump

murpho999 wrote: »

Erdogan is loved by lots of Turks, Putin by lots of Russians, does that mean they or their regimes should not be criticised?

Don't think anyone is asking you not to criticize anything


It's more about obstructing people's rights to make their own choices and decisions. And to prevent them from having something that might make them happy.



If you think your self-righteousness should be enough to deny any Turkish person the right to vote for Erdogan then that is a whole world away from you criticizing whatever he does

Hitman3000

Taytoland wrote:

People with Marxist ideals who follow the trend of postmodernism with progressive politics. I reject progressive politics, so the logical conclusion is to defend the Pope's visit and the Catholics who want to see him. If the degenerates of Irish society want to protest, then go ahead.

Not Marxist, Red, Commie, Orange ( like your good self) or any other idiotic label you can think of just no time for an organisation that preyed upon children.

cbreeze

are tickets on seatwave yet?

dundalkfc10

Hector Savage wrote: »

Think ill put mine up on eBay for €100 each closer to the day ... see if someone is dumb enough to pay ..

Exactly what im planning on doing!

Donald Trump

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why would anybody tolerate an organisation that was (is?) complicit in and facilitated child abuse?

Is this about the Jews being responsible for all the wars again?

TheValeyard

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why would anybody tolerate an organisation that was (is?) complicit in and facilitated child abuse?

Were all priests, popes, bishops responsible. Collective responsibility so. Like a teacher who punishes the entire class for the action of the bold student.

ohnonotgmail

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Were all priests, popes, bishops responsible. Collective responsibility so. Like a teacher who punishes the entire class for the action of the bold student.

the institution was. Every time this is brought up the supporters of the church regurgitate the same tired attempts at distraction.

ohnonotgmail

Donald Trump wrote: »

Is this about the Jews being responsible for all the wars again?

only in your head.

TheValeyard

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the institution was. Every time this is brought up the supporters of the church regurgitate the same tired attempts at distraction.

But your also protesting individual catholics, not the institution. You're hurting ordinary catholics who want to go, not the institution.

Donald Trump

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

any chance of an intelligent response?

We'll call your argument the Al Quaida defence


By breaking the organization into separate cells, one being taken down does not affect the rest of them.


So by not having a single hierarchical structure to provide checks and control. you think it is preferable to allowing smaller local groupings to be in control. I think that's a good plan alright. As in it would be better if the local priests did not have to report to a bishop who had to report to an archbishop etc. :rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

But your also protesting individual catholics, not the institution. You're hurting ordinary catholics who want to go, not the institution.

I'm not. Others may be but i have mentioned nothing of that sort. I haven't taken up any tickets.

ohnonotgmail

Donald Trump wrote: »

We'll call your argument the Al Quaida defence


By breaking the organization into separate cells, one being taken down does not affect the rest of them.


So by not having a single hierarchical structure to provide checks and control. you think it is preferable to allowing smaller local groupings to be in control. I think that's a good plan alright. As in it would be better if the local priests did not have to report to a bishop who had to report to an archbishop etc. :rolleyes:

no sorry, i asked for an intelligent response.

TheValeyard

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I'm not. Others may be but i have mentioned nothing of that sort. I haven't taken up any tickets.

But you support those who do

Donald Trump

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

only in your head.

Well a conspiracy theory saying that Jews were responsible for most wars is as legitimate and evidenced based as your assertion that the Catholic Church is currently complicit in and facilitates child abuse


You should pass on the incontrovertible evidence that you have of same to the Guards. Or Interpol or the UN even.


Unless you are talking out of your arse of course. Surely not eh?

Donald Trump

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

no sorry, i asked for an intelligent response.

It's ok if you can't understand it.



I didn't expect you to.

ohnonotgmail

Donald Trump wrote: »

It's ok if you can't understand it.



I didn't expect you to.

Yeah i'd need to crack my skull open before i could understand any of your inane witterings.

murpho999

Donald Trump wrote: »

Don't think anyone is asking you not to criticize anything


It's more about obstructing people's rights to make their own choices and decisions. And to prevent them from having something that might make them happy.



If you think your self-righteousness should be enough to deny any Turkish person the right to vote for Erdogan then that is a whole world away from you criticizing whatever he does

If people have to right to go and enjoy a mass then people also have the right to protest.

Turkish people have the right to vote for who they want but it does not mean he's a good president. Nothing to do with my self righteousness.

Anyhow, I'm ending this now as I just think you're just arguing for the sake of it.

WinnyThePoo

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

But you support those who do

And what's your problem? . Surely you realise that people are not going to forget.

ohnonotgmail

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

But you support those who do

Do i? where have i said that?

minikin

So who's going to see the Pope?

The folks in the first three rows... he'll be a bloop on the horizon to the other 99% of people there on the day.

Donald Trump

murpho999 wrote: »

If people have to right to go and enjoy a mass then people also have the right to protest.

Turkish people have the right to vote for who they want but it does not mean he's a good president. Nothing to do with my self righteousness.

Anyhow, I'm ending this now as I just think you're just arguing for the sake of it.

Nobody is suggesting that any person does not have a right to protest.


What is depressing are the gobshites whose stated purpose is simply to deny others the opportunity to attend something that is harming nobody

ohnonotgmail

Donald Trump wrote: »

Well a conspiracy theory saying that Jews were responsible for most wars is as legitimate and evidenced based as your assertion that the Catholic Church is currently complicit in and facilitates child abuse


You should pass on the incontrovertible evidence that you have of same to the Guards. Or Interpol or the UN even.


Unless you are talking out of your arse of course. Surely not eh?

If you read it properly you will see i put a ? after "is". There is some doubt about their current activities.

Donald Trump

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

If you read it properly you will see i put a ? after "is". There is some doubt about their current activities.

Ok. You mean like this



So we'll agree that the Jews were (are?) responsible for all historical and current wars


Strange then that you'd be supporting child abusing Rabbis





(It's conspiracy theory and demagoguery. That's all)

TheValeyard

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Do i? where have i said that?

So whats your view then. Do you support those taking tickets with no intention of going.

ohnonotgmail

Donald Trump wrote: »

Ok. You mean like this



So we'll agree that the Jews were (are?) responsible for all historical and current wars


Strange then that you'd be supporting child abusing Rabbis





(It's conspiracy theory and demagoguery. That's all)

You really need to get yourself checked. You seem to have suffered a blow to the head.