Is your water pressure starting to drop?

Alun

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Literally happens everywhere. There's regularly hose pipe band in the UK and the rest of Europe during prolonged dry spells.

There are, but I must say they're a bit of an acquired taste though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMOas4CLWwc

BarryD2

Wanderer78 wrote: »

yea its a messy one alright, we need to create some sort of system that actually works for our needs but is affordable, and is publicly owned, not an easy task though

Would that not be some utility like Uisce Éireann aka Irish Water? Publicly owned, sub contracts works etc.

Just needs a major PR exercise to strip back the reality/ perception of fancy wages, fat pensions and waste. Funny how the likes of the ESB are many of these things and fly under the radar!

De Bhál

YFlyer wrote: »

You're a ****.

bless you

beans

Thread best read as a series of innuendos.

YFlyer

Cry me a river.

weisses

Wanderer78 wrote: »

ah its common enough, the whole world struggles with water from time to time, and we re no where near as bad as some countries

After only a few weeks of decent weather ? I doubt it

And yes we are better of then Yemen or Lybia

monkeybutter

Alun wrote: »

There's plenty of water in the main reservoirs, the problem is processing capacity in the purification plants that feed the intermediate storage reservoirs.

If that was the case then they could fix that easily, that is not the case

Ubbquittious

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Maybe you don't know but the vast majority of public works, from water & wastewater network construction & maintenance, gas networks, road building & maintenance is all carried out by private contractors working on behalf of IW, Local authorities, TII or whoever. County council crews barely even fill potholes anymore - it's contracted out.

It would be rediculous if Irish Water were actually physically carrying out the works to put pipes in the ground and build plants. They are asset managers and they don't have the specialist design capability to design these things in house nor the skills or equipment necessary to construct anything.

The fact that you don't know this just shows that you know nothing about Irish Water or about public works in general.

It might save them a bit of money if once again they tried to do something themselves, in house as opposed to lining the pocket of some contractor who needs to make a fat profit in addition to paying his staff.



And don't mind your little dig about "fact that you don't know". You don't need any specialist skills to be senslessly condescending.

TheBoyConor

No it wouldn't.

They would not have the need to employ full time design teams because although they might need specialists in design of different elements of a network from time to time they would not need them all the time. It would be wasteful.

Same on the construction side. To complete all the work themselves they would have to have an awful lot of heavy and often specialised equipment. They wouldn't have the workload that would keep all that gear going all the time.

On the other hand a specialist contractor can go job to job with different clients and have their staff and plant utilised far more effectively.

I'm sorry but if you knew how the public works and civil engineering industry works you'd understand.

TheBoyConor

What's more, a lot of contractors make very slim margins on public works jobs.
you'd often see contractors, even big ones, go bust because they underpriced a job and lost their shirt on it.

And you must also remember that a lot of contractors employ subcontractors who are often local to the area of the project - local plant hire companies, trades, local suppliers for materials etc etc.

A job I was on recently had a major civil contractor as the main contractor but only a small portion of their staff, the management & supervision staff, were brought in from outside and the bulk of the employees, laborours, trades etc, were hired locally. And as for the equipment, the main contractor only had very large or highly specialized pieces of gear on site. All the usual stuff, diggers, dumpers and so on was all belonging to a number fairly local plant hire firms.
And I know it is widely suspected that the main contractor is going to make little or no profit out of the project.

Ubbquittious

TheBoyConor wrote: »

What's more, a lot of contractors make very slim margins on public works jobs.
you'd often see contractors, even big ones, go bust because they underpriced a job and lost their shirt on it.

And you must also remember that a lot of contractors employ subcontractors who are often local to the area of the project - local plant hire companies, trades, local suppliers for materials etc etc.

A job I was on recently had a major civil contractor as the main contractor but only a small portion of their staff, the management & supervision staff, were brought in from outside and the bulk of the employees, laborours, trades etc, were hired locally. And as for the equipment, the main contractor only had very large or highly specialized pieces of gear on site. All the usual stuff, diggers, dumpers and so on was all belonging to a number fairly local plant hire firms.
And I know it is widely suspected that the main contractor is going to make little or no profit out of the project.

Sounds like too many middlemen to me. Which is what I've seen happening all my life


Cork county council will happily rent temporary traffic lights for months unend from Dermot Casey even though they're always using at least one set of them somewhere at any given time. Maybe the council have given themselves some stipulation that if they were to buy their own temporary traffic lights they'd have to be stored in an insured, air conditioned room and given daily dusting off. So therefore it almost seems cheaper to rent them.


Yet it's plain to see they're not doing things very efficiently. There are loads of daily maintainence jobs they could do themselves if they hadn't shot themselves in the foot so they'd have the excuse to give the job to the local Fianna Failing contractor.