Mayo vs Kildare [What Mayo should do]

jj72

Laois_Man wrote: »

You haven't - or you would have seen I said Mayo have to show up at one venue or the other and in doing so, will be talking sides....and then you wouldn't have had to post a point already made!

Like I said... I have.. Not sure how you know what I have and haven't done. Anyway, mt point still stands,

PARlance

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

There was no suggestion of a DH when the draw was made though.

Would you expect them to make a suggestion when the draw was made?

They normally make the draw early am and come back at lunch with the times / venues etc after considering things.

Coillte_Bhoy

super_furry wrote: »

Sounds like Mayo are going to publically come out in support of Kildare.....

where you hearing that?

gormdubhgorm

FuzzyFrog wrote: »

You really think that they are going to kick two tier 1 counties out? Really? That is a lose lose situation for the GAA and would start the beginning of the end for the current board. I think Mayo are being complicit in the misdirection and money grabbing of the game by doing nothing.

Since when was Kildare a tier one county?
They are division two county at best. They failed to win a single point in division one

It is the whole reason why the GAA are trying to move the game from Newbridge because they expect so called 'weaker counties' like Kildare to roll over.

Coillte_Bhoy

PARlance wrote: »

Would you expect them to make a suggestion when the draw was made?

They normally make the draw early am and come back at lunch with the times / venues etc after considering things.

But they offered Cavan an alternative venue and they picked Enniskillen so there was no question of a DH until Kildare refused to nominate an alternative. You dont seem too well informed

gormdubhgorm

PARlance wrote: »

I don't care as long as they split Dublin in two.

Then in a scenario like this one could take Parnell Park and the other could head to Jones' road....

FuzzyFrog

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

there is no pint being made, and im just pointing out the stupidity of your argument thats it a pay day.

If it's not a pay day, then what is the reasoning behind the GAA move in your opinion? That's what I'm asking if you can keep a solid thought in your head and follow it to a conclusion.

PARlance

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

But they offered Cavan an alternative venue and they picked Enniskillen so there was no question of a DH until Kildare refused to nominate an alternative. You dont seem too well informed

Couldn't be more informed. Seeing that Cavan couldn't play at home, I wouldn't say they offered them an alternative venue. They had to find an alternative venue.

Coillte_Bhoy

FuzzyFrog wrote: »

If it's not a pay day, then what is the reasoning behind the GAA move in your opinion? That's what I'm asking if you can keep a solid thought in your head and follow it to a conclusion.

Well its hardly unusual to put on double headers in CP. Once Kildare didnt nominate an alternative venue there was a problem and with Cavan agreeing to play in CP it probably seemed like a logical solution at the time tbh.

jj72

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Its not about a pay day, you really believe that? Putting the 2 games in Croke Park probably wont even make a profit on the day. Croker needs a 30k + attendance to make it viable to open for the day but i suspect im wasting my time with facts on you

This 30k + attendance is the biggest load of rubbish. Surely it boils down to what they charge in on a given day and not how many attend the game???
And I cant believe anyone thinks this is not a pay day for Croker. Charging everyone 25 euro in croker as opposed to 15 euro in Newbridge or Enniskillen is easy easy money for the GAA.

Coillte_Bhoy

PARlance wrote: »

Couldn't be more informed. Seeing that Cavan couldn't play at home, I wouldn't say they offered them an alternative venue. They had to find an alternative venue.

But they did offer Cavan an alternative venue and they picked one, im really not sure what you're getting at

seligehgit

super_furry wrote: »

Sounds like Mayo are going to publically come out in support of Kildare.....

I doubt it.

Link??

largepants

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Since when was Kildare a tier one county?
They are division two county at best. They failed to win a single point in division one

It is the whole reason why the GAA are trying to move the game from Newbridge because they expect so called 'weaker counties' like Kildare to roll over.

Stick to the day job. Selling Big Issues.

Coillte_Bhoy

jj72 wrote: »

This 30k + attendance is the biggest load of rubbish. Surely it boils down to what they charge in on a given day and not how many attend the game???
And I cant believe anyone thinks this is not a pay day for Croker. Charging everyone 25 euro in croker as opposed to 15 euro in Newbridge or Enniskillen is easy easy money for the GAA.

Obviously it's a much bigger operation to open CP than a small provincial ground. I dont have the exact figures but the nett difference would be marginal at the end of the day imo.

PARlance

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Obviously it's a much bigger operation to open CP than a small provincial ground. I dont have the exact figures but the nett difference would be marginal at the end of the day imo.

So despite telling that poster to stick to facts, it turns out you have none.

ClanofLams

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Is it though, i was told by someone who works in Croker, not sure of the exact figure but 30k is in my mind. Whats your take on it then?

I could be wrong but i thought that was only the case if they opened all the stadium. If they leave top tier closed, it’s a lot less I believe.

Bonniedog

The whole thing has nothing to do with Mayo, other than serve as a distraction if they let it.

Looks like Kildare are going to go to CP anyway. While they have been done over, they really have no choice.

eagle eye

Deffo not enough room, you'll get that many Dubs when want tickets.

PARlance

ClanofLams wrote: »

I could be wrong but i thought that was only the case if they opened all the stadium. If they leave top tier closed, it’s a lot less I believe.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/10-myths-mishaps-and-misconceptions-450392.html

Croke Park crowd

Many had been led to believe that the GAA required a crowd of 30,000 in Croke Park to financially break even on the day but this school of thought was rubbished by the association’s stadium and commercial director Peter McKenna in Michael Moynihan’s GAAconomics.

“That’s an urban myth. It costs between €40,000 and €120,000 to open the stadium and we often open it at a loss. The break-even figure? For the smallest crowd, it would be €30,000 so 10,000 people paying €3 each, or 5,000 paying €6 each would do it.”

super_furry

seligehgit wrote: »

I doubt it.

Link??

Nevermind, I believed a fake Whatsapp screenshot.

gormdubhgorm

largepants wrote: »

Stick to the day job. Selling Big Issues.

Should I go to Newbridge or Croke Park?
I am worried about the health and safety dangers to me in Newbridge

gormdubhgorm

PARlance wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/10-myths-mishaps-and-misconceptions-450392.html

Croke Park crowd

Many had been led to believe that the GAA required a crowd of 30,000 in Croke Park to financially break even on the day but this school of thought was rubbished by the association’s stadium and commercial director Peter McKenna in Michael Moynihan’s GAAconomics.

“That’s an urban myth. It costs between €40,000 and €120,000 to open the stadium and we often open it at a loss. The break-even figure? For the smallest crowd, it would be €30,000 so 10,000 people paying €3 each, or 5,000 paying €6 each would do it.”

Great book it is too real eye opener.

jj72

PARlance wrote: »

So despite telling that poster to stick to facts, it turns out you have none.

Another one of his "facts" that Castlebar holds 31,000 aint correct either. 28,000 is the correct number

largepants

Bonniedog wrote: »

The whole thing has nothing to do with Mayo, other than serve as a distraction if they let it.

Looks like Kildare are going to go to CP anyway. While they have been done over, they really have no choice.

No they won't.

DONTMATTER

I actually think it's in Mayo's best interest to back up Kildare on this. Not just because it's the right thing to do but as noted, this could be Mayo in the super 8's or some time down the line, also by backing Kildare you take away their sense of injustice.

largepants

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Should I go to Newbridge or Croke Park?
I am worried about the health and safety dangers to me in Newbridge

You live in Dublin so you're used to it.

jj72

DONTMATTER wrote: »

I actually think it's in Mayo's best interest to back up Kildare on this. Not just because it's the right thing to do but as noted, this could be Mayo in the super 8's or some time down the line, also by backing Kildare you take away their sense of injustice.

Don't agree with this. reason being, say Kildare stick to their guns and Mayo get the walkover. All that will happen is that the CCCC will change their rules at the end of the year so this cant happen again. In fact no matter what Kildare do now, I believe the rules will probably be changed. So Mayo should stay well clear, keep training and go where the game is fixed for

REBELSAFC

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

31,000 i believe so there would be no issues

That probably wouldn't be big enough . You could get 40-50,000 for a Quarter final match between Mayo and Dublin in Croke Park.

Anyway capacity shouldn't matter. Circa 9,000 fans can fit SAFELY in Newbridge. Thats enough for both counties season tickets with some tickets left over.

Kildare have home advantage and they should keep it

golfball37

I just hope no matter what happens Kildare don’t back down from this. All the criteria has been met that they are entitled to a home fixture. Armagh and Leitrim are playing at home this weekend. Cavans home ground wasn’t available.
It’s Kildare’s choice to make and they have made it. As an ordinary gaa member I hope they stick to their guns.

IRE60

REBELSAFC wrote: »

Thats enough for both counties season tickets with some tickets left over.

Stop about the season ticket holders if they play in Newbridge!


“In the event that the number of season ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture”


Join the queue - no privileges here

jj72

IRE60 wrote: »

Stop about the season ticket holders if they play in Newbridge!


“In the event that the number of season ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture”


Join the queue - no privileges here

But they don't exceed the capacity sooo....the season ticket holders will have privileges

FuzzyFrog

jj72 wrote: »

Don't agree with this. reason being, say Kildare stick to their guns and Mayo get the walkover. All that will happen is that the CCCC will change their rules at the end of the year so this cant happen again. In fact no matter what Kildare do now, I believe the rules will probably be changed. So Mayo should stay well clear, keep training and go where the game is fixed for

Yeah I see the rule change as a logical next step for the GAA but that doesn't mean there is nothing to be gained by a show of solidarity from Mayo. If 2 counties as sizeable as Kildare/Mayo were to stand together against the GAA it sends a serious message that the counties can have a say in the direction the organisation is taken and that the GAA can't just throw aside the principals of what the org is supposed to stand for. It would have massive significance even if the rules were changed as a result.

harpsman

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Lol ok so :rolleyes:

Don’t know why you’re being so sensitive about this. Mayo are in a situation where they will be effectively taking a side whatever they do. It happens sometimes. You wishing that wasn’t the case isn’t going to change that fact

DONTMATTER

jj72 wrote: »

Don't agree with this. reason being, say Kildare stick to their guns and Mayo get the walkover. All that will happen is that the CCCC will change their rules at the end of the year so this cant happen again. In fact no matter what Kildare do now, I believe the rules will probably be changed. So Mayo should stay well clear, keep training and go where the game is fixed for

It could be just in a few weeks when Mayo are put in a similar position! That's of course if they don't get knocked out by an angered Kildare who think Mayo hung them out to dry (that's the line Kildare management will be pushing).

harpsman

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Is it though, i was told by someone who works in Croker, not sure of the exact figure but 30k is in my mind. Whats your take on it then?

Blimey- must be true. I can’t imagine how it would cost a million more to open Croke Park than any other ground. Do the gaa own the bars and food outlets in Crocker as well? I’d imagine they’d make a nice profit with a crowd of 30,000

Bonniedog

DONTMATTER wrote: »

It could be just in a few weeks when Mayo are put in a similar position! That's of course if they don't get knocked out by an angered Kildare who think Mayo hung them out to dry (that's the line Kildare management will be pushing).

How do you make that out?


Mayo will turn up for wherever the match is fixed for. None of this is of their making. Most Mayo posters I've seen here and on other forums support Kildare but they are not going to cut off their nose to spite their face by getting themselves booted out of the championship!


Kildare have been rightly fked over, there is no doubt about that, but anything from this afternoon on will be only a gesture, and forgotten about pretty quickly.

DONTMATTER

Bonniedog wrote: »

How do you make that out?


Mayo will turn up for wherever the match is fixed for. None of this is of their making. Most Mayo posters I've seen here and on other forums support Kildare but they are not going to cut off their nose to spite their face by getting themselves booted out of the championship!


Kildare have been rightly fked over, there is no doubt about that, but anything from this afternoon on will be only a gesture, and forgotten about pretty quickly.

I'm saying that that's what Kildare management will say. Mayo were implicit in getting us moved from our home ground, them and the GAA think we're a soft touch, let's go out and batter them.

It might not work but I'd be very wary of a wounded animal.

PhuckHugh

Kildare will fall in line.

BarryD2

Wonder what the 'Croke Park Residents' think/ wish for? Or are their views completely irrelevant?

jj72

DONTMATTER wrote: »

I'm saying that that's what Kildare management will say. Mayo were implicit in getting us moved from our home ground, them and the GAA think we're a soft touch, let's go out and batter them.

It might not work but I'd be very wary of a wounded animal.

Jaysis that's pushing it a bit, How are Mayo implicit in all of this?? If that's what it takes to get motivated against the second best team in the country for the best part of the last decade then its a poor state of affairs

seligehgit

DONTMATTER wrote: »

It could be just in a few weeks when Mayo are put in a similar position! That's of course if they don't get knocked out by an angered Kildare who think Mayo hung them out to dry (that's the line Kildare management will be pushing).

Very true re the first sentence.

Ah well you just can't bate a bit of the auld siege mentality!:D

Whatever fits,all the big bad wolf Mayo's fault.Nothing to do with Feargal McGill and the games administration department in Croke Park.

Not a very credible motivating factor nor a line Cian O Neill was pushing on the six one news yesterday.

gormdubhgorm

golfball37 wrote: »

I just hope no matter what happens Kildare don’t back down from this. All the criteria has been met that they are entitled to a home fixture. Armagh and Leitrim are playing at home this weekend. Cavans home ground wasn’t available.
It’s Kildare’s choice to make and they have made it. As an ordinary gaa member I hope they stick to their guns.

Where are the GPA in all of this as well?
Also I think the rest of the county boards should sign a petition and send it to Croke Park to support the Kildare county board.

Coillte_Bhoy

PARlance wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/10-myths-mishaps-and-misconceptions-450392.html

Croke Park crowd

Many had been led to believe that the GAA required a crowd of 30,000 in Croke Park to financially break even on the day but this school of thought was rubbished by the association’s stadium and commercial director Peter McKenna in Michael Moynihan’s GAAconomics.

“That’s an urban myth. It costs between €40,000 and €120,000 to open the stadium and we often open it at a loss. The break-even figure? For the smallest crowd, it would be €30,000 so 10,000 people paying €3 each, or 5,000 paying €6 each would do it.”

fair enough, i was misled. I stand corrected

DONTMATTER

jj72 wrote: »

Jaysis that's pushing it a bit, How are Mayo implicit in all of this?? If that's what it takes to get motivated against the second best team in the country for the best part of the last decade then its a poor state of affairs

I didn't say Mayo are implicit! A sense of injustice pushes teams, that's a fact. It doesn't matter if it's justified or not, this is the angle that Kildare will be pushing.

DONTMATTER

seligehgit wrote: »

Very true re the first sentence.

Ah well you just can't bate a bit of the auld siege mentality!:D

Whatever fits,all the big bad wolf Mayo's fault.Nothing to do with Feargal McGill and the games administration department in Croke Park.

Not a very credible motivating factor nor a line Cian O Neill was pushing on the six one news yesterday.

No, i think they'll use anything, the CCCC, the whole world out to get them and they'll include Mayo in that. Managers use anything in the dressing room that they'll think will give them even a slight edge.

DONTMATTER

If it's in Croke Park I'll be putting my money on Kildare and I'll copy my receipt here to prove it!

Fr Tod Umptious

I always knew someone would find a way to implicate Mayo in this and turn it around to be something against Mayo, but I never expected 7 pages of it.

blanch152

DONTMATTER wrote: »

No, i think they'll use anything, the CCCC, the whole world out to get them and they'll include Mayo in that. Managers use anything in the dressing room that they'll think will give them even a slight edge.

If Kildare are operating at that basic level of motivation, then they haven't much of a chance.

I'd suspect you have little idea of the modern methods of management and motivation.

DONTMATTER

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I always knew someone would find a way to implicate Mayo in this and turn it around to be something against Mayo, but I never expected 7 pages of it.

Who's implicated Mayo?

Coillte_Bhoy

DONTMATTER wrote: »

I actually think it's in Mayo's best interest to back up Kildare on this. Not just because it's the right thing to do but as noted, this could be Mayo in the super 8's or some time down the line, also by backing Kildare you take away their sense of injustice.

It wont happen Mayo unless Castlebar for some reason is not available. You are not comparing like with like. By your logic most games involving Dublin will be forced to move as many grounds wont have the necessary capacity. Thats not going to happen.