Ireland Under 20 2019 6 Nations and World Championships

6elieve

D14Rugby wrote: »

Passive? Sorry if I hurt your feelings Eoin. {quote}


I clearly am not Eoin.
Byrne has stopped using his phone to fully focus on becoming a pro player.

joseywhales

6elieve wrote: »

D14Rugby wrote: »

Passive? Sorry if I hurt your feelings Eoin. {quote}


I clearly am not Eoin.
Byrne has stopped using his phone to fully focus on becoming a pro player.

This is bizarre

Squidgy Black

Cowboy848 wrote: »

My thoughts on the 20’s this weekend: Firstly I thought it was a big selection risk leaving Milne and French out of the team but it proved to be the right call in the end. McNamara will be counting his chickens after those calls and the result going his way after last years campaign and results. Can I say that I remember Wyhcherly being bigger at school than he looked out on the 20’s pitch – maybe that’s just comparison to the opposition he faced both on Friday night and against other schools but he looked slightly small in my eyes compared to Milne/Clarkson and the English props. He had a solid enough game so I don’t think he’ll be too worried about his place although Milne looks like he can make the grade at Professional and International level despite his collapsing of the scrum when he came on.

Which brings me to another point – why are we changing props positions so often in our pro set ups? I can think of Porter and Milne both changing sides of the scrum they played on at schools level. I don’t know if this is with a view to requirements in each position or if it is because coaches think they are more suited to propping on the opposite side but the 2 props in question have had scrummaging issues since they have made the change. On the tighthead side I thought Clarkson looked the part and had a good game along with Tierney-Martin who got 2 tries. Charlie Ryan looked very good all around the pitch and seems to have the height to make it as a second row forward in the pro/international game. I thought in the backrow Hodnett carried well all day despite being slightly undersized and Penny racked up a big tackle count. I think he needs to be better at jackalling to be a top class 7 but his workrate is quite good.

Scrumhalf was a tough little lad and had a good game – Casey I think his name was. Foley obviously came on and scored but I’m yet to be convinced with Foley after what I saw of him at schools. Harry Byrne had a good game and his highlight reel was well documented by the RTE panel on Friday night no need to re-hash it here other than to say he’s promising if he can show he has an extra bit of pace than his brother and can tackle effectively he’ll make it through to a senior contract. Centres were my highlight of the night. I thought Hawkshaw did really well in several situations he was involved in and Turner made some nice outside half breaks. Both looked hungry for work and not afraid of contact. I thought the all Munster back 3 were very good despite Phillips reminding me a bit of Adam Byrne – by stuffing up a few gilt edged opportunities. All in all very promising but I think French will get selected next week after Hawkshaws injury and perhaps we might see Baird come back in before the end of the championship which will be exciting.

Porter switched due to no chance of him really breaking into the setup at LH, behind Healy/McGrath/Byrne. He was also huge and slotted into TH size wise without a bother. I'd say it's a combination of both positional needs and seeing potential in players to shift across to the other side. Happens quite frequently with underage props who academy sides don't think have the potential size wise to play prop and shift to hooker (Tracy/Delahunt as two recent examples).

scrummieman

Ireland u20 game: https://www.ok.ru/video/2065053190673

kingofthekong

scrummieman wrote: »

Ireland u20 game: https://www.ok.ru/video/2065053190673

You my friend are an absolute hero, thank you so much

arsebiscuits1

Cowboy848 wrote: »

Which brings me to another point – why are we changing props positions so often in our pro set ups? I can think of Porter and Milne both changing sides of the scrum they played on at schools level. I don’t know if this is with a view to requirements in each position or if it is because coaches think they are more suited to propping on the opposite side but the 2 props in question have had scrummaging issues since they have made the change. On the tighthead side I thought Clarkson looked the part and had a good game along with Tierney-Martin who got 2 tries. Charlie Ryan looked very good all around the pitch and seems to have the height to make it as a second row forward in the pro/international game. I thought in the backrow Hodnett carried well all day despite being slightly undersized and Penny racked up a big tackle count. I think he needs to be better at jackalling to be a top class 7 but his workrate is quite good.

I can't be certain..... but I imagine your fictional issues about Porter stem from 1) international tighthead is a step up in literally everything than schools loosehead

2) Porter hasn't had scrummaging issues. He's given away a few penalties against some top class looseheads.... like every other tighthead in the world.

kingofthekong

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

I can't be certain..... but I imagine your fictional issues about Porter stem from 1) international tighthead is a step up in literally everything than schools loosehead

2) Porter hasn't had scrummaging issues. He's given away a few penalties against some top class looseheads.... like every other tighthead in the world.

I think the move to Tighthead was the right call ,

However I think when people criticise the move they are wishing they could see Porter as the slimmed down Ball carrying loosehead he was at under age level,

They probably feel being tighthead and carrying the extra weight and having to focus more on scrummaging has hindered his ball carrying abilities.....which may or may not be the case..

rightly or wrongly he has the potential to be one of the best tight heads in the world in the coming years if he keeps improving and i think it was the correct call

arsebiscuits1

kingofthekong wrote: »

I think the move to Tighthead was the right call ,

However I think when people criticise the move they are wishing they could see Porter as the slimmed down Ball carrying loosehead he was at under age level,

They probably feel being tighthead and carrying the extra weight and having to focus more on scrummaging has hindered his ball carrying abilities.....which may or may not be the case..

rightly or wrongly he has the potential to be one of the best tight heads in the world in the coming years if he keeps improving and i think it was the correct call

Also he is lighter now than he was at under20s loosehead

scrummieman

kingofthekong wrote: »

I think the move to Tighthead was the right call ,

However I think when people criticise the move they are wishing they could see Porter as the slimmed down Ball carrying loosehead he was at under age level,

They probably feel being tighthead and carrying the extra weight and having to focus more on scrummaging has hindered his ball carrying abilities.....which may or may not be the case..

rightly or wrongly he has the potential to be one of the best tight heads in the world in the coming years if he keeps improving and i think it was the correct call

it's a lot easier to be a big ball carrier at under-20 level than at top european/international level.

scrummieman

Milne played TH in school, he tried to played TH this season for UCD under-20 and was got roasted in the scrum. He is a LH Prop going forward and in potentially an excellent one in time.

Squidgy Black

Most would struggle trying to get up to size with general TH standards, going up an extra 10kg to move to TH from LH is a huge jump, especially when you're trying to make sure it's not just shít weight. Porter had the luxury of already being around the 120kg mark as a LH with the under 20s.

scrummieman

Don't think weight was an issue for Milne, some props are loosheads and some are tightheads..

Milne will be a loosehead going forward and they have the hugely promising Tom Clarkson at tighthead coming through.

Dubinusa

I love you scrummieman!!!
Great match!!! Ireland deserved winners.
I thought the blindside was fantastic. He was everywhere and alongside Penny and Hodnett they really functioned well.
The backline is quick and well drilled. Lots of potential among them.
Bear in mind McCarthy from last season and Kernahan didn't play.
They look good and if they can cut out the silly errors, they can be a contender.

kingofthekong

Considering Baird and Allison to comeback and potentially the Ulster winger I'd say there in good health,

however even if Allison is fit can you bring him into a Backrow that functioned so well??

Maybe on the Bench

Stainalert

kingofthekong wrote: »

Considering Baird and Allison to comeback and potentially the Ulster winger I'd say there in good health,

however even if Allison is fit can you bring him into a Backrow that functioned so well??

Maybe on the Bench

What is up with Baird?

kingofthekong

Think he was injured, but he's in the squad so should feature at some stage

The Lost Sheep

Team named
15. Jake Flannery (Shannon/Munster)
14. Conor Phillips (Young Munster/Munster)
13. Liam Turner (Dublin University/Leinster)
12. David Hawkshaw (Clontarf/Leinster) (capt)
11. Jonathan Wren (Cork Constitution/Munster)
10. Harry Byrne (Lansdowne/Leinster)
9. Cormac Foley (St. Mary’s College/Leinster)
1. Josh Wycherley (Young Munster/Munster)
2. Dylan Tierney-Martin (Corinthians/Connacht)
3. Thomas Clarkson (Dublin University/Leinster)
4. Charlie Ryan (UCD/Leinster)
5. Niall Murray (Buccaneers/Connacht)
6. Martin Moloney (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
7. Scott Penny (UCD/Leinster)
8. John Hodnett (UCC/Munster)
Replacements:
16. John McKee (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
17. Michael Milne (UCD/Leinster)
18. Luke Masters (Shannon/Munster)
19. Brian Deeny (Clontarf/Leinster)
20. David McCann (Banbridge/Ulster)
21. Colm Reilly (Buccaneers/Connacht)
22. Sean French (Cork Constitution/Munster)
23. Rob Russell (Dublin University/Leinster)

case885

Only change masters on the bench?
Good to see Hawkshaw fit I thought it looked a serious knee injury.

And Casey I see, he's a big loss.

errlloyd

Does Foley have another year at this level. (1999 October birthday). I'm never sure how eligibility works.

The Lost Sheep

errlloyd wrote: »

Does Foley have another year at this level. (1999 October birthday). I'm never sure how eligibility works.

No. Age grade international rugby is calender year(and virtually all club/schools here is as well)

kingofthekong

Does anyone know if Baird and Allison just werent selected or if they a still injured? - It would be pretty tough to drop the into an u20 six nations game relatively undercooked and low on game time

kingofthekong

So the game isnt televised anywhere? thats pretty annoying - Sometimes the Scotland rugby youtube channel do them but not this time

Dubinusa

****e

Utah_Saint

Ulster representation is pathetic. Are they really that bad?!

troyzer

Utah_Saint wrote: »

Ulster representation is pathetic. Are they really that bad?!

Aaron Sexton will be in the team when he finishes school/hits puberty.

Utah_Saint

troyzer wrote: »

Aaron Sexton will be in the team when he finishes school/hits puberty.

Lol...

Although after the u20 result last week they look better off without any of our u20's

scrummieman

Utah_Saint wrote: »

Ulster representation is pathetic. Are they really that bad?!

Their top prospects at this age group:

Callum Reid(LH Prop) - quit rugby last season but has returned this season and involved with Ulster sub-academy.
Claytan Milligan(Hooker) - made Ireland squads at u18 and u19 level, but failed to push on this season. Playing AIL for Ballynahinch.
Bradley Luney(Lock) - failed to make squad.
JJ McKee(Lock) - in wider U20 squad.
Azur Allison(Backrow) - in squad but injured.
Jamie MacCartney(Backrow) - involved with Ireland u18/u19, playing rugby in england now.
Bruce Houston(Outhalf/Fullback) - in squad but injured.
Stewart Moore(Centre) - in squad but injured.
Angus Kernohen(Wing) - in squad but injured.

Bazzo

John McKee is also a product of Ulster rugby don't forget...

scrummieman

Bazzo wrote: »

John McKee is also a product of Ulster rugby don't forget...

different age group.

6elieve

Did Casey do his acl? Heard a rumour

case885

6elieve wrote:

Did Casey do his acl? Heard a rumour

Was it not HIA after the knock he took to his head?
He's had trouble with both knees so that would be a disaster if true.

jmn51927

seems promising

Quint2010

Can't believe this game isn't on tv anywhere?

The Lost Sheep

Utah_Saint wrote: »

Ulster representation is pathetic. Are they really that bad?!

Its not that bad and you will always have years where there is poorer rep than others

troyzer wrote: »

Aaron Sexton will be in the team when he finishes school/hits puberty.

would slow down hype on him but you would expect him to be. He'll likely be playing irish 19s over next few months

Quint2010 wrote: »

Can't believe this game isn't on tv anywhere?

Shame but theyre not always especially if on Friday nights and womens games on around same time..

arsebiscuits1

Quint2010 wrote: »

Can't believe this game isn't on tv anywhere?

It's being played out of an absolutely tiny town in the depths of Scotland. Surprised if they even have TV's out there

6elieve

case885 wrote: »

Was it not HIA after the knock he took to his head?
He's had trouble with both knees so that would be a disaster if true.

That’s what I thought , probably nonsense!

Sunderland00

Lans vs Dufc tonight, predictions?

arsebiscuits1

Sunderland00 wrote: »

Lans vs Dufc tonight, predictions?

Ireland by 3 tries

6elieve

Mary’s 20’s playing Buccaneers on Sunday. Should be a cracker.

Lucas44

case885 wrote: »

Was it not HIA after the knock he took to his head?
He's had trouble with both knees so that would be a disaster if true.

No he’s out with a knee injury not sure exactly the extent of it but it has nothing to do with hia

Lucas44

6elieve wrote: »

Mary’s 20’s playing Buccaneers on Sunday. Should be a cracker.

Anyone worth watching out for from either?

clsmooth

What channel is it on?

Cosmo Kramer

I don't think it is.

clsmooth

****e. Was hoping it was at least streamed on YouTube

Squidgy Black

It's in Galashiels. I'd be amazed if they even had internet there.

The Lost Sheep

10-0 to Ireland
Dylan Tierney with try

Buer

Squidgy Black wrote: »

It's in Galashiels. I'd be amazed if they even had internet there.

Still disappointing. The Borders played their home games there and had matches televised.

Great start anyway. DTM is something of a scoring machine thus far.

The Lost Sheep

Buer wrote: »

Still disappointing. The Borders played their home games there and had matches televised.

Great start anyway. DTM is something of a scoring machine thus far.

venue wasnt issue.
No channel to cover it.

17-5 to Ireland now

Tigerandahalf

5 - 24 now

Blackheath

Wren with a try