Ireland Under 20 2019 6 Nations and World Championships

offyourfeet

sydthebeat wrote: »

Aaron Smith is only 2 inches taller.

Casey will have to form his game to suit his size, but It shouldn't hold him back from playing top level rugby.

Only 5-6 Kgs lighter than smith too. Would be a great option from the bench to change it up from Murray.

Buer

Smith is 7kg heavier; well over a stone in old money. That's not a lot when it's 20 stone versus 19 stone but it's significant when it's 13 stone versus 12. Smith is also something of an outlier even with that extra weight.

Casey punches above his weight too but his size is still clear when on the field at times. He's explosive from a standing start which masks it somewhat but you could see it at times yesterday when he got turned over or held up over the line.

I think Casey will be a great player and have a strong provincial career but I can't see how his size isn't a factor. The style of game will have to suit his style but we've seen that in the past with others.

offyourfeet

Buer wrote: »

Smith is 7kg heavier; well over a stone in old money. That's not a lot when it's 20 stone versus 19 stone but it's significant when it's 13 stone versus 12. Smith is also something of an outlier even with that extra weight.

I think Casey will be a great player and have a good provincial career but I can't see how his size isn't a factor.

Not disagreeing that it will be a challenge. But he is very young and has time to put on more weight.
Parra is one kg heavier than him as well. He could model himself on those types of scrum halves. I wouldn’t be as quick to limit him to just a provincial career at this stage either.

The Lost Sheep

Lucas44 wrote: »

The officiating in this tournament needs to be seriously looked at by world rugby imagine this going on in a senior game haha

Its a development tournament in every sense. The refs will be developing towards the higher levels just like the players

Wegians89 wrote: »

If a player is injured you can replace them in the squad but say Baird gets a 8 week ban for the red and would be suspended for the remainder of the tournament could he be replaced in the squad? And would the senior World Cup be the same?

Cant replace players due to foul play.
Injury or compassionate reasons only. Same in world cup later in year

RuPi

Stewart Moore on his way home injured, a big blow.

Fox90

Where are you hearing that?

Hands Like Flippers

Fox90 wrote: »

Where are you hearing that?

His instagram

jmn51927

Hodnett also gone according to his instagram

Fox90

Wonder who is next in line

Chris871

Worrying number of injuries, particularly in the backrow. Presume Watters is ruled out of the next game too.

kingofthekong

Jesus, World rugby have implemented all these tackle laws with the aim of improving player safety and yet they schedule in thes young lads for 4 day turnarounds in the highest intensity matches these lads will have ever played, to have that amount of injuries in a squad is an absolute farce,

This was probably the best Irish u20s team I've ever seen play and to see there chances in this tournament delt such a cruel blow with injuries is disappointing

These are the current injuries, probably more to come in the remainder of the games...extremely worrying - it seems to be the Ireland squad that is effected the most each year, could also be that I dont know the other countries squads well enough but from what I can see all of the other top nations have held onto their starting xv relatively well?

Hawkshaw
Moloney
Penny
French
Moore
Watters
Hodnett
Allison
Byrne
Hughes

guapos

I'd hope that in years to come we'll see bigger gaps between games, using the extra cost as an excuse isn't acceptable. The health of players should be at the forefront of everything world rugby does.

Buer

Chris871 wrote: »

Presume Watters is ruled out of the next game too.

I still don't understand how that incident wasn't reviewed in light of how contact with the head is being officiated at this tournament. We've seen multiple instance of high contact being rewarded with a card. Then we have this situation where a guy is properly knocked out and is wobbling badly as he leaves the field with the referee looking on. Even if the officials deemed no issue upon review, it makes no sense that they ignored the incident.

The Lost Sheep

guapos wrote: »

I'd hope that in years to come we'll see bigger gaps between games, using the extra cost as an excuse isn't acceptable. The health of players should be at the forefront of everything world rugby does.

Been this way for years and cant see it changing now even with injuries lists

Yeah_Right

kingofthekong wrote: »

Jesus, World rugby have implemented all these tackle laws with the aim of improving player safety and yet they schedule in thes young lads for 4 day turnarounds in the highest intensity matches these lads will have ever played, to have that amount of injuries in a squad is an absolute farce,

This was probably the best Irish u20s team I've ever seen play and to see there chances in this tournament delt such a cruel blow with injuries is disappointing

These are the current injuries, probably more to come in the remainder of the games...extremely worrying - it seems to be the Ireland squad that is effected the most each year, could also be that I dont know the other countries squads well enough but from what I can see all of the other top nations have held onto their starting xv relatively well?

Hawkshaw
Moloney
Penny
French
Moore
Watters
Hodnett
Allison
Byrne
Hughes

If the Irish team is the only one losing players to injury at a high rate, then maybe the problem is with the Irish team and not the tournament.

Clegg

We're threadbare in the backrow now. That's our entire starting backrow from the U20 Six Nations missing as well as a main replacement.

kingofthekong

Clegg wrote: »

We're threadbare in the backrow now. That's our entire starting backrow from the U20 Six Nations missing as well as a main replacement.

I dont even know who they could bring in?, were probably looking at a reserve second row playing as a blind side, hopefully Allison is back.

Are there any u19 lads that could step up?

Lucas44

kingofthekong wrote: »

I dont even know who they could bring in?, were probably looking at a reserve second row playing as a blind side, hopefully Allison is back.

Are there any u19 lads that could step up?

Luke clohessy, Mark Fleming, Michael mcgagh, ruadhan byron, neal moylett, Cian huxford are some back rows that were capped at u19s last year that could potentially called up

Number 137

Luke Clohessy and David Ryan drafted into the squad.

Blackheath

Number 137 wrote: »

Luke Clohessy and David Ryan drafted into the squad.

Who is David Ryan and what position does he play in

Squidgy Black

Blackheath wrote: »

Who is David Ryan and what position does he play in

James Ryan's younger brother, centre. Played in the u19s squad last year.

Blackheath

World rugby are to impose no further sanction on Ryan Baird following the disciplinary review.

arsebiscuits1

The Disciplinary Committee found that on detailed analysis there had not been direct contact between Baird’s arm and Harrison’s head and that Baird’s tackle had slipped up from the shoulder.

Does that mean they thought the red was wrong or that the red was sufficient

My understanding is if it's not direct to the head then there is mitigation and it could be a yellow.... in which case we got royally ****ed by the refs decision

irishbucsfan

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Does that mean they thought the red was wrong or that the red was sufficient

My understanding is if it's not direct to the head then there is mitigation and it could be a yellow.... in which case we got royally ****ed by the refs decision

It should have been a yellow. Which they can say with the benefit of time to deeply analyze the video. It was very close either way.

The only person who ****ed us really though was the player who made a reckless tackle and got himself sent off.

irishbucsfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It should have been a yellow. Which they can say with the benefit of time to deeply analyze the video. It was very close either way.

The only person who ****ed us really though was the player who made a reckless tackle and got himself sent off.

I'm really not sure what Baird could do himself other than just not tackle the player at all. At first glance I thought somewhere between yellow and red. After the countless replays I was of the opinion that it was between a penalty and a yellow.

I thought the tip tackle at the end of the first half was a much more obvious red card situation.

D14Rugby

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It should have been a yellow. Which they can say with the benefit of time to deeply analyze the video. It was very close either way.

The only person who ****ed us really though was the player who made a reckless tackle and got himself sent off.

So a player makes a yellow card tackle, the ref gets the decision wrong and your instinct is to blame the player? **** right off

Yeah_Right

D14Rugby wrote: »

So a player makes a yellow card tackle, the ref gets the decision wrong and your instinct is to blame the player? **** right off

The player went high so it was 100% his fault. When I saw it, I thought red card in this tournament. If it was the Pro 14, HC, Super Rugby etc. then I suspect it would have been yellow or just a penalty.

irishbucsfan

D14Rugby wrote: »

So a player makes a yellow card tackle, the ref gets the decision wrong and your instinct is to blame the player? **** right off

At the very best the player should be blamed anyway for making a dangerous tackle and getting sin binned?

Under absolutely no situation is the player blameless. Not sure what your problem with that is, totally bizarre reaction

D14Rugby

Yeah_Right wrote: »

The player went high so it was 100% his fault. When I saw it, I thought red card in this tournament. If it was the Pro 14, HC, Super Rugby etc. then I suspect it would have been yellow or just a penalty.

The player made a yellow card tackle and got a red for it because the ref saw something that didn't happen the player has some blame but to say its 100% his fault when the ref got the decision wrong is wrong

irishbucsfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm really not sure what Baird could do himself other than just not tackle the player at all. At first glance I thought somewhere between yellow and red. After the countless replays I was of the opinion that it was between a penalty and a yellow.

I thought the tip tackle at the end of the first half was a much more obvious red card situation.

+1

D14Rugby

irishbucsfan wrote: »

At the very best the player should be blamed anyway for making a dangerous tackle and getting sin binned?

Under absolutely no situation is the player blameless. Not sure what your problem with that is, totally bizarre reaction

My problem is you saying a 20 year old that made a small mistake and was wrongly punished for it "****ed us" that's a shocking attitude to have. The ref was 83% wrong on the decision and actually outright lied in his explanation of the card to justify being wrong. The player made a small mistake but to say he ****ed us is just a load of ****e

Donald Trumped

https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1138429898664452097

irishbucsfan

D14Rugby wrote: »

My problem is you saying a 20 year old that made a small mistake and was wrongly punished for it "****ed us" that's a shocking attitude to have. The ref was 83% wrong on the decision and actually outright lied in his explanation of the card to justify being wrong. The player made a small mistake but to say he ****ed us is just a load of ****e

Ha 83% wrong!

Only reason I used the term was because of the post I was responding to. Think you need to calm down just a little bit

D14Rugby

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Ha 83% wrong!

Only reason I used the term was because of the post I was responding to. Think you need to calm down just a little bit

Yeah sent off for 60, should have been 10 so 83%. Doesn't matter if that's the phrase you were replying to, to say a 20 year old that made a small mistake that was compounded by the ref just being bad at his job "****ed us" is just out of order in my opinion.
If he had done some sort of deliberate foul play like the English guy in the first game then fair enough but to say that about a small honest mistake just isn't on.

molloyjh

Maybe if you spent more time trying to understand where posters were coming from than trying to have a row you wouldn't be as outraged. He simply used a quote from a previous post to make his point. It seems the only one who took it literally was you. Communication is a 2 way thing. You've got a responsibility to ensure you're reading things correctly as much as anyone writing posts has to make sure they're getting their point across correctly.

irishbucsfan

D14Rugby wrote: »

Yeah sent off for 60, should have been 10 so 83%. Doesn't matter if that's the phrase you were replying to, to say a 20 year old that made a small mistake that was compounded by the ref just being bad at his job "****ed us" is just out of order in my opinion.
If he had done some sort of deliberate foul play like the English guy in the first game then fair enough but to say that about a small honest mistake just isn't on.

I have to be honest I didn’t put that much thought into whether or not me referencing someone else’s post would make you absolutely split your own head open with rage, I’ll be sure to keep it in mind in future because it’s gas

Yeah_Right

D14Rugby wrote: »

The player made a yellow card tackle and got a red for it because the ref saw something that didn't happen the player has some blame but to say its 100% his fault when the ref got the decision wrong is wrong

Are you sure that the ref got the decision wrong? I personally thought it was harsh but what proof do you have that it was wrong? Maybe the judiciary/review committee thought the red was punishment enough.

Baird tackled the Aussie round the head. There were no mitigating circumstances. The player didn't duck and Baird wasn't badly wrong footed, he just ****ed up. He knew it straight away as well. I don't understand why you are getting so upset about it.

Buer

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Are you sure that the ref got the decision wrong? I personally thought it was harsh but what proof do you have that it was wrong? Maybe the judiciary/review committee thought the red was punishment enough.

Baird tackled the Aussie round the head. There were no mitigating circumstances. The player didn't duck and Baird wasn't badly wrong footed, he just ****ed up. He knew it straight away as well. I don't understand why you are getting so upset about it.

Yeah, I'm a little surprised to see him get away with no further sanction. I think Baird's reaction said it all. He knew instantly he had made a balls of it.

He needs to take some lessons from Leo Cullen. If you try to forcibly remove someone's head from their shoulders, you fake a look of shock, point to oneself whilst enquiring "Me?!" and take a knee next to the victim and tell him you'll get the sonofabitch who did this to him.

kingofthekong

So to compare the injury lists from Irelands squad to the French Squad

Ireland now have 10 injuries to their starting xv: Hodnett, Hawkshaw, Byrne, French, Penny, Moloney, Moore, Watters, Hughes, Phillips

France have the exact same team that played against Ireland in the six nations bar one player...

That just doesnt make any sense to me how Irelands squad can have 10 injuries for Frances 1

Buer

kingofthekong wrote: »

So to compare the injury lists from Irelands squad to the French Squad

Ireland now have 10 injuries to their starting xv: Hodnett, Hawkshaw, Byrne, French, Penny, Moloney, Moore, Watters, Hughes, Phillips

France have the exact same team that played against Ireland in the six nations bar one player...

That just doesnt make any sense to me how Irelands squad can have 10 injuries for Frances 1

If the results were different, I'd imagine a few of those players would still be in Argentina. Similarly, I'd imagine if some weren't so highly rated, they wouldn't have stayed at home to manage injuries/have procedures.

Lucas44

kingofthekong wrote: »

So to compare the injury lists from Irelands squad to the French Squad

Ireland now have 10 injuries to their starting xv: Hodnett, Hawkshaw, Byrne, French, Penny, Moloney, Moore, Watters, Hughes, Phillips

France have the exact same team that played against Ireland in the six nations bar one player...

That just doesnt make any sense to me how Irelands squad can have 10 injuries for Frances 1

That’s stupid to say 10 injuries to the starting xv, only one out of hawkshaw and Moore can start, Watters doesn’t start over penny, if Byrne is fit Hughes doesn’t start over flannery at 15 and only one out of French and Phillips starts. You could argue that Moloney doesn’t start if Allison penny and hodnett are all fit so albeit it’s 10 players from the squad that deplete our depth it’s not 10 starting players

Messiah's younger brother has got the nod on the bench

Buer

Every player gets the nod for the bench. We've 13 subs. It's a new rule for this tournament.

Jump_In_Jack

Buer wrote: »

Every player gets the nod for the bench. We've 13 subs. It's a new rule for this tournament.

How many substitutions are allowed? is it still 8 despite the increased number of substitutes on the bench?

Squidgy Black

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

How many substitutions are allowed? is it still 8 despite the increased number of substitutes on the bench?

Yeah still 8 subs.

Number 137

The Italy XV to face Ireland:

1. Lorenzo Michelini - 6'1 - 115kg
2. Niccolo Taddia - 6'1 - 108kg
3. Matteo Nocera - 6'4 - 126kg
4. Nicolare Stoian - 6'5 - 115kg
5. Thomas Parolo - 6'6 - 106kg
6. Angelo Maurizi - 6'3 - 105kg
7. Davide Ruggeri - 6'3 - 103kg
8. Antoine Koffi - 6'1 - 107kg
9. Alessandro Fusco - 6'0 - 85kg
10. Paolo Garbisi - 6'0 - 88kg
11. Cristian Lai - 5'9 - 82kg
12. Damiano Mazza - 6'1 - 101kg
13. Federico Mori - 6'2 - 106kg
14. Jacopo Trulla - 5'11 - 83kg
15. Ange Capuozzo - 5'10 - 70kg

kingofthekong

Any news on which injured players have returned home and which are just injured for this game?

foxyladyxx

Anybody got a link to today's match?

Hands Like Flippers

15 butchered the switch there

yerrahbah

foxyladyxx wrote: »

Anybody got a link to today's match?

https://twitter.com/eirSport/status/1138799399977590784

https://www.facebook.com/eirSport/videos/641576953346204/