Ireland Under 20 2019 6 Nations and World Championships

Squidgy Black

Going nowhere with ball in hand unfortunately, England are right in our faces in defence. But they're also just booting the ball back to us when we execute our exits.

Buer

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Going nowhere with ball in hand unfortunately, England are right in our faces in defence. But they're also just booting the ball back to us when we execute our exits.

It's impossible to, in fairness. Running on that surface is like running in quicksand. We look tired and jaded at this point. It can't be unexpected given the injuries and how the tournament went.

I could see England putting up a significant gap now.

EDIT: And there's the 7 pointer. Too easy; England blow through a double tackle to go over.

Buer

That could well be red for DTM.

The Lost Sheep

Buer wrote: »

That could well be red for DTM.

yellow was fair with english player dipping mitigating factor. could be few scores here for england now

Fox90

England’s lineout is laughably bad

Lucas44

Fox90 wrote: »

England’s lineout is laughably bad

Of course it’s going to be bad on a day of pissing down rain and a ripped up pitch, not made any easier by Ireland having 3 second rows on the pitch

Buer

Un. Be. Lievable.

AMAZING.

Squidgy Black

Holy shít. What a turnaround.

Buer

I was only thinking a few minutes ago that Deeny could do with putting on a few kg. Thank f*ck he is as wiry as he is. No way he'd have made it if he had another 5kg on him.

Buer

Going to the TMO which has meant a guaranteed yellow so far....

Buer

The referee is making every effort to avoid a red here. The contact of the left forearm was directly to the head. There really needs to be a clearer directive on these scenarios in terms of mitigation.

The TMO obviously disagreed but neither want to make a decision.

Won't make a difference anyway given the time on the clock (assuming it doesn't go to extra time).

Squidgy Black

Have to say, I really like the way the ref is handling it all. Breaks down each decision, takes into account the mitigating factors, and isn't jumping straight to an initial decision.

Buer

How on earth was that legal disruption of the maul by England? Their blindside had walked right around. Could be a key moment.

Clareman

I forgot about this, England wearing black looks weird

England will get a penalty off this scrum and that will be that.

Buer

The scrum will suit England. Creates a handy offside line and gives them a drop goal attempt from the 22m line if they want it with about 30 seconds on the clock.

Fair play to England to go through 25 phases though in these conditions.

Buer

Poor defence when England moved it off the scrum. We were never going to keep them out from there.

Will have to see that maul again as it looked for all the world like an offside English player led to the ball being spilled.

Still we did a lot better than I thought we would and dug deep when it looked like a beating was on the cards.

Squidgy Black

I'm sure the lads will be disappointed to lose it at the end with the extra man advantage after scoring two tries to bring it even, but that was an absolute slog of a game considering the conditions and the number of players out due to injury. A performance they should be really proud of, and in fact a really good showing in the tournament overall.

Jupiter Mulligan

Play like that on Saturday and there's every chance that we'll beat a poor All Blacks team - hopefully by a good margin.

That would mean finishing 7th, which isn't too bad given our massive injury problems.

The Lost Sheep

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Play like that on Saturday and there's every chance that we'll beat a poor All Blacks team - hopefully by a good margin.

That would mean finishing 7th, which isn't too bad given our massive injury problems.

Thats very optimistic.
NZ will have their worst finishing position in tournament regardless of the result of the game but its still NZ.
We've big number of injuries...

Argentina/South Africa/Italy/Georgia is confirmed as a group for next years tournament. Other two groups depend on the results on final day.

Winner Final/Loser Wales and England/Winner us New Zealand
runner up/winner wales england/loser us and NZ/winner fiji scotland

Jupiter Mulligan

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Thats very optimistic.
NZ will have their worst finishing position in tournament regardless of the result of the game but its still NZ.
We've big number of injuries...

I'd prefer to call it realistic. I watched the Welsh beat them today (albeit courtesy of a last minute penalty) and they were pretty poor.

Hands Like Flippers

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

I'd prefer to call it realistic. I watched the Welsh beat them today (albeit courtesy of a last minute penalty) and they were pretty poor.

Agreed. I turned it off as they were so poor.

chupacabra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VspIr75rCc

swiwi_

Reckon Ireland U20 will comfortably defeat NZ U20.

The NZ coach might have been my English teacher, but he won’t be handing out any lessons any time soon. In fact he might find himself schooled.

Clegg

Ryan Baird has been a real positive this tournament. In the Six Nations he looked like a good impact sub, but now he's a full 80 minute player. Makes great contributions around the pitch.

Waternut

Clegg wrote: »

Ryan Baird has been a real positive this tournament. In the Six Nations he looked like a good impact sub, but now he's a full 80 minute player. Makes great contributions around the pitch.

Do you think he has the potential to step up and push for a Leinster starting spot next year. Toner and the Leinsters other options are not getting any younger.

salmocab

Waternut wrote: »

Do you think he has the potential to step up and push for a Leinster starting spot next year. Toner and the Leinsters other options are not getting any younger.

Toner has a few more years and obviously Fardy won’t be around much longer but all Leinsters other options are young, Baird will be in the mix though as he does look good.

Squidgy Black

Waternut wrote: »

Do you think he has the potential to step up and push for a Leinster starting spot next year. Toner and the Leinsters other options are not getting any younger.

Toner's only turning 33, and the other starting lock is James Ryan. I think Baird's a couple years (barring injury) off a starting spot in the Leinster team.

ArmchairQB

Waternut wrote: »

Do you think he has the potential to step up and push for a Leinster starting spot next year. Toner and the Leinsters other options are not getting any younger.

He will be Dev's replacement but not just yet, He has had a bad run with injuries & if he gets himself right he has a huge future ahead of him. I reckon he will be eased into the Pro 14 this season and expect him to get 5-8 caps for the Seniors this year

kingofthekong

swiwi_ wrote: »

Reckon Ireland U20 will comfortably defeat NZ U20.

The NZ coach might have been my English teacher, but he won’t be handing out any lessons any time soon. In fact he might find himself schooled.

Think the amount of injuries shipped by Ireland will be too much, full strength Ireland absolutely

kingofthekong

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Toner's only turning 33, and the other starting lock is James Ryan. I think Baird's a couple years (barring injury) off a starting spot in the Leinster team.

couple years or a couple injuries, game is so attritional he could be in the engine room sooner rather than later, but ideally with no injuries a couple years i reckon

kingofthekong

Seeing the final of Australia and France stings as Ireland are well capable of beating both

kingofthekong

were their anymore injuries in the England Ireland game?

Dubinusa

I think Charlie Ryan is phenomenal too. Leinster look stacked in the 2nd row for the near future.
There's also Jack Dunne. He's a fantastic prospect. Oisin Dowling is also in the mix.

Clegg

Dubinusa wrote: »

I think Charlie Ryan is phenomenal too. Leinster look stacked in the 2nd row for the near future.
There's also Jack Dunne. He's a fantastic prospect. Oisin Dowling is also in the mix.

Leinster won't be able to keep all of them.

foxyladyxx

Clegg wrote: »

Leinster won't be able to keep all of them.

They can swap one for Ben Healy.

Jupiter Mulligan

kingofthekong wrote: »

Seeing the final of Australia and France stings as Ireland are well capable of beating both

The two best teams in the tournament for me.

Having earlier predicted that SA would play Aus in the the final, I was very impressed with the way that the French handled the baby boks yesterday - it's incredible to think that Jordan Joseph will still be eligible to play in next year's tournament - he's some player.

Buer

Clegg wrote: »

Leinster won't be able to keep all of them.

I think Charlie Ryan is really flying under the radar relative to the likes of Baird. I thought he had a fantastic tournament, a really gritty and efficient performer who has done a solid job throughout. He doesn't have the dynamism of someone like Baird but he has a great engine and reminds me a little of someone like Leo Cullen.

It's unusual for someone of his profile not to already be in the academy. He's a 2 year member of the U20 squad which is fairly good company straight away as well as captaining the side to the Grand Slam title and at the JWC.

With Dunne, Dowling, Baird, Ryan and Molony all being present at Leinster for years to come and opporunities potentially being limited, I'd expect that the other provinces are already in touch with Charlie Ryan. Munster would be a very interesting option for him if they made an approach, I'd have thought.

arsebiscuits1

Buer wrote: »

I think Charlie Ryan is really flying under the radar relative to the likes of Baird. I thought he had a fantastic tournament, a really gritty and efficient performer who has done a solid job throughout. He doesn't have the dynamism of someone like Baird but he has a great engine and reminds me a little of someone like Leo Cullen.

It's unusual for someone of his profile not to already be in the academy. He's a 2 year member of the U20 squad which is fairly good company straight away as well as captaining the side to the Grand Slam title and at the JWC.

With Dunne, Dowling, Baird, Ryan and Molony all being present at Leinster for years to come and opporunities potentially being limited, I'd expect that the other provinces are already in touch with Charlie Ryan. Munster would be a very interesting option for him if they made an approach, I'd have thought.

Baird and Ryan both very different seconds rows I feel. Baird trumps in the athletic and physical stakes but Ryan a very rounded player. Especially impressive given his age. Very good set piece operator and around the park.

For the next few years I think there is room for them at Leinster.

Oisin Dowling will be first for the chop I feel. Will happily change my song if proved wrong but I feel he offers the least of the second row options at the moment. Smaller than all the other options at lock being a (generous) 6'5"

With Fardy gone after next season and Ryan and Dev playing less than 20 games between them next season there is huge game time for our options there next season.

D14Rugby

Baird playing 6 in the last two games will probably be good for his development in the long run, having a player with the second row physicality thats able to get around the pitch like a 6 is a very useful thing to have. Him and Ryan are a very rugby smart second row partnership.

FellasFellas

I'd rather take a punt on Charlie Ryan or Baird than keep Molony. Let Molony go elsewhere.

arsebiscuits1

FellasFellas wrote: »

I'd rather take a punt on Charlie Ryan or Baird than keep Molony. Let Molony go elsewhere.

Drop a fella who we've invested years developing who has 82 senior appearances and has captained the team for fellas who have completed one year of the academy?

That's a bizarrely short sighted statement.

If they can perform to the standard, they will start over Molony. He does not need to be elsewhere for this to happen

FellasFellas

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Drop a fella who we've invested years developing who has 82 senior appearances and has captained the team for fellas who have completed one year of the academy?

That's a bizarrely short sighted statement.

If they can perform to the standard, they will start over Molony. He does not need to be elsewhere for this to happen

Hardly short sighted when Molony hasn't done much whatsoever since he had a very good season or two a few years back. We've just let Kearney and Nagle go so he may well be kept on like you say, I would expect the two of them to pass him out soon.

Lucas44

Buer wrote: »

I think Charlie Ryan is really flying under the radar relative to the likes of Baird. I thought he had a fantastic tournament, a really gritty and efficient performer who has done a solid job throughout. He doesn't have the dynamism of someone like Baird but he has a great engine and reminds me a little of someone like Leo Cullen.

It's unusual for someone of his profile not to already be in the academy. He's a 2 year member of the U20 squad which is fairly good company straight away as well as captaining the side to the Grand Slam title and at the JWC.

With Dunne, Dowling, Baird, Ryan and Molony all being present at Leinster for years to come and opporunities potentially being limited, I'd expect that the other provinces are already in touch with Charlie Ryan. Munster would be a very interesting option for him if they made an approach, I'd have thought.

Brian deeny will be coming into the academy next year aswell for leinster

kingofthekong

Does anybody know who the backrow options are for next year?

I know Mccann is eligible again, Clohessy,

Am I right that we might be fairly light there next year?

Purist98

kingofthekong wrote: »

Does anybody know who the backrow options are for next year?

I know Mccann is eligible again, Clohessy,

Am I right that we might be fairly light there next year?

McCann, Ciaran Booth, Mark Hernan, Anthony Ryan, Sean O'Brien and Cian Prendergast were the back rows who played Ireland u19s this season

Lucas44

kingofthekong wrote: »

Does anybody know who the backrow options are for next year?

I know Mccann is eligible again, Clohessy,

Am I right that we might be fairly light there next year?

McCann banbridge/ulster u19, booth sale u19, Sean Obrien Blackrock/leinster u19, Anthony Ryan trinity/leinster u19 , Mark Hernan st michaels/leinster u19 , Ryan Oneill Armagh/ulster u19, Cian Prendergast ucd/leinster u19, Cian Hurley cbc/ Munster u19, Alex Kendellen pbc/ Munster u18 , Daniel okeke ardscoil/ Munster u18, Will hickey st michaels/ leinster u18, Oisín mccormack garbally/connacht U18s, Diarmuid McCormack clongowes/connacht U18s , Donnacha Byrne Sligo/connacht u18

deecebackrow

Lucas44 wrote: »

McCann banbridge/ulster u19, booth sale u19, Sean Obrien Blackrock/leinster u19, Anthony Ryan trinity/leinster u19 , Mark Hernan st michaels/leinster u19 , Ryan Oneill Armagh/ulster u19, Cian Prendergast ucd/leinster u19, Cian Hurley cbc/ Munster u19, Alex Kendellen pbc/ Munster u18 , Daniel okeke ardscoil/ Munster u18, Will hickey st michaels/ leinster u18, Oisín mccormack garbally/connacht U18s, Diarmuid McCormack clongowes/connacht U18s , Donnacha Byrne Sligo/connacht u18

Kendellan, Okeke, Hickey and D McCormack are all still in school next season so not options.

Booth's knee injury could mean he misses all of next season.

A lot of quality options at 6, not many at 7 or 8.

deecebackrow

Lucas44 wrote: »

Brian deeny will be coming into the academy next year aswell for leinster

sub-academy next season, probable academy season after.