Ireland Under 20 2019 6 Nations and World Championships

Chico Flores

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

Doris was injured for the six nations, but had an incredible game against south africa in the JWC. I'd forgotten about O'Sullivan tbh, is he injured? I remember thinking we would seem him sooner rather than later for Munster, but I don't think he's been playing much for the A's.

I think his knee injury was one of those " you are out for a year ".

Thermoman12

Chico Flores wrote: »

I've seen him play plenty of times against my mates and at AIL level this season. In school and Prem 1 last year, AIL this year.

The Leinster coaches clearly thought otherwise, ditto the Irish 20s coaches.

I am not saying he is bad, but Penney was Leinsters top try scorer (I think in that Celtic Cup) physically not at all out of place against other pros and Kearney is playing AIL. Not being destroyed or anything but nor is he cleaning up.

I also heard he may lose out to Pim and St Leger now that they are back.

Doubt it they will get ahead of him, we will wait and see https://amp.independent.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-rugby/max-kearney-at-school-and-with-leinster-agegrade-sides-is-the-best-player-i-have-played-with-he-puts-his-head-in-places-i-wouldnt-36895262.html

Ayewserious

sellit90000 wrote: »

Not ahead of Ryan in the leinser sub-academy, not that I think Ryan is anything special.

Centre is weak at the moment in the underage section.

The dept in centre in this age group is shocking in comparison to recent years.

D14Rugby

Chico Flores wrote: »

Give over, Penney has been involved with the Leinster Senior Squad out of school. Max Kearney wasn't destroying teams at Prem 1 last year or this year in AIL. He is good but he isn't in Penneys league for me, but would be inclined to go with the professional coaches view too.

He would also be a year older than Penney so that makes sense in school.

Kearney didn't play Prem 1 last year. Came in for the all Ireland’s at the end but rest of the time he was playing 1st XV

Thermoman12

D14Rugby wrote: »

Kearney didn't play Prem 1 last year. Came in for the all Ireland’s at the end but rest of the time he was playing 1st XV

He’s the best 7 I’ve ever seen that played schools rugby and I’ve been watching it for a long time

stellenbosch

D14Rugby wrote: »

Kearney didn't play Prem 1 last year. Came in for the all Ireland’s at the end but rest of the time he was playing 1st XV

Incorrect- Trinitys back row for all of last year was Alex McDonald at 6/Tom Ryan at 8 and St Ledger at 7-that was the starting back row in the colours as well. Max Kearney played no more than 3./4 games for Trinity firsts last year-Fact

D14Rugby

stellenbosch wrote: »

Incorrect- Trinitys back row for all of last year was Alex McDonald at 6/Tom Ryan at 8 and St Ledger at 7-that was the starting back row in the colours as well. Max Kearney played no more than 3./4 games for Trinity firsts last year-Fact

He didn't play more than 3/4 games for 20s either last year-Fact.

He was away with Leinster A, Ireland 20s or injured a lot. All he played for Trinity 20s was Fraser Mc Mullen cup

Sunderland00

Thermoman12 wrote: »

He’s the best 7 I’ve ever seen that played schools rugby and I’ve been watching it for a long time

Ok, calm down now. He’s not even the best 7 belvo have had in the last 15 years. He was moved to 6 for a couple of matches in his final year in belvo as Conor Doran was seen to be better. He’s good but not as good as you’re making him out to be.

Heymans

Thermoman12 wrote: »

He’s the best 7 I’ve ever seen that played schools rugby and I’ve been watching it for a long time

Interesting that you think he’s the best schools 7 ever? How long have you been watching the schools game?

Thermoman12

Heymans wrote: »

Interesting that you think he’s the best schools 7 ever? How long have you been watching the schools game?

Since 2002

Thermoman12

Sunderland00 wrote: »

Ok, calm down now. He’s not even the best 7 belvo have had in the last 15 years. He was moved to 6 for a couple of matches in his final year in belvo as Conor Doran was seen to be better. He’s good but not as good as you’re making him out to be.

Keanrey started 7 on one of the best cup teams ever in 5th year and he also started as a 4th year, watch his cup campaign in 2016, especially the games against Blackrock and Michael’s and he also ran the pitch against Roscrea in the final, all I’m saying is that I haven’t seen a better backrow that has performed better at schools level than him, he was on a really good team which also helped I suppose

Heymans

Thermoman12 wrote: »

Since 2002

Thats not very long. There have certainly been better 7’s in my lifetime Jennings being one. I think Kearney is a little undersized for the pro game although he did well at school.

kingofthekong

Thermoman12 wrote: »

To be honest, I actually thought Max Kearney was better than Penny and probably still is, he always out played him when they played each other in school and always made dominant tackles against him, was a pitty they dropped him probably due to his height, thought he was a fantastic player and I thought Leinster made a mistake dropping him

lool He's not even close to the player Scott Penny is give over, couldnt be less close.

Penny's one of the most gifted backrows I've seen come through in a while

LostArt03

Kearney couldn't even get a cap for Ireland u20 last season.
Penny is about to make his debut for Leinster at 19 years old and before he has made his AIL or Ireland u20 debut.

Kearney was listed at 5'10, 91kg.. which is far too small at this level for an openside.

LostArt03

Battle to be starting hooker?

Dylan Tierney(Connacht)
Billy Scannell(Munster)
Declan Adamson(Leinster)
Claytan Milligan(Ulster)

Mucky_Tackies

kingofthekong wrote: »

lool He's not even close to the player Scott Penny is give over, couldnt be less close.

Penny's one of the most gifted backrows I've seen come through in a while

hes been playing out of his skin of late but to say one of the most gifted to have come through in a while would be a stretch. Think Doris or O'Sullivan are two off top of my head in recent years that look more gifted.

kingofthekong

Mucky_Tackies wrote: »

hes been playing out of his skin of late but to say one of the most gifted to have come through in a while would be a stretch. Think Doris or O'Sullivan are two off top of my head in recent years that look more gifted.

Doris and Penny are completley different players , on is a hooper mould and one is a Heaslip mould to compare them is difficult because they have different jobs on the pitch, hes the best 7 since Leavy at this level

Heymans

kingofthekong wrote: »

Doris and Penny are completley different players , on is a hooper mould and one is a Heaslip mould to compare them is difficult because they have different jobs on the pitch, hes the best 7 since Leavy at this level

Penny is quite small. Let's see how he gets on at full firsts level tonight before we start ordaining him. But I agree he looks promising.

Mucky_Tackies

Heymans wrote: »

Penny is quite small. Let's see how he gets on at full firsts level tonight before we start ordaining him. But I agree he looks promising.

For his position, he's probably the most physically developed/ready of his age group coming through. Was notable against France last year.

Sunderland00

Anyone at Lansdown game? Any standouts?

Same with Trinity game? Any Standouts?

The Lost Sheep

Munster u19s playing touring Australian Schools in Thomond Friday night.
First game in Australians tour and they will also play Ulster and Ireland u19s before going to Scotland

The Lost Sheep

Munster had been well beaten by the Aussies 34-15

Irish team named for test Saturday
RELAND Under 19 Team & Replacements (v Australia U19, Energia Park, Saturday, December 8, kick-off 2.00pm)

15. Oran McNulty (Galwegians/Connacht)
14. Andrew Smith (St. Michael's College/Leinster)
13. Hayden Hyde (Cranleigh School/Harlequins/IQ Rugby)
12. Tommy Downes (Galwegians/Munster)
11. Aaron Sexton (Bangor Grammar/Ulster)
10. Jack Delaney (Crescent College/Munster)
9. Charlie O'Doherty (Newcastle West/Munster)
1. Harry Noonan (Old Wesley/Leinster)
2. John McKee (Old Belvedere/Leinster) Captain
3. Charlie Ward (Clontarf/Leinster)
4. Conor McMenamin (City of Derry/Ulster)
5. Paddy Kelly (Young Munster/Munster)
6. Cian Prendergast (Newbridge College/Leinster)
7. Ciaran Booth (IQ Rugby/Sale Sharks)
8. David McCann (Banbridge/Ulster)

Replacements
16. Scott Buckley (CBC Cork/Munster)
17. Aaron Hennessy (UL/Munster)
18. Liam Winnett (Buccaneers/Connacht)
19. Brian Deeney (Clontarf/Leinster)
20. Sean O'Brien (Blackrock College/Leinster)
21. Lewis Finlay (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
22. Dylan Prendergast (Ballina/Connacht)
23. Louis Bruce (PBC/Munster)

The Lost Sheep

HT | Ulster U19 10 Australia Schools 10 - a try from BRA hooker Tom Stewart converted by Wallace HS Nathan Doak gave Ulster a 7-0 lead. Australia hit back with 2 unconverted tries. Doak pen ties the score at HT

The Lost Sheep

Ulster under 19s won 22-17

RockBoysarewii

Is the no. 7 Ciaran Booth a good prospect?

typhoony

I see the u19's are playing Australia today, good to see a spread of players from all the provinces as well as a couple from the UK IQ system. Some decent prospects in the team, Aaron Sexton being the best

The Lost Sheep

Ireland 19s lost 17-5.

jackdidley

Highlights of th u19 game v Aus on the irfu site http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/43099.php#.XAzTkhbp2Ec

Watched the full game on the Aus rugby website. The Ausies were definitely more physical even though a year younger. Ire struggled in key positions to control the game. Not a great performance but there were a couple of standouts 7&13 both IQ, Kelly second row. 14 smith took his try well

Locke_Lamora

jackdidley wrote: »

Highlights of th u19 game v Aus on the irfu site http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/43099.php#.XAzTkhbp2Ec

Watched the full game on the Aus rugby website. The Ausies were definitely more physical even though a year younger. Ire struggled in key positions to control the game. Not a great performance but there were a couple of standouts 7&13 both IQ, Kelly second row. 14 smith took his try well

In fairness there’s quite a few notable names for Ireland missing.

Wegians89

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

In fairness there’s quite a few notable names for Ireland missing.

Who was missing?

Locke_Lamora

Wegians89 wrote: »

Who was missing?

Anthony Ryan, Ryan O'Neil, Thomas Clarkson, Tom Maher, Thomas Ahern, Max O'Reily, Paddy McKenzie all spring to mind off the top of my head. Then there are players who played for their provincial side who could well have played.

offyourfeet

jackdidley wrote: »

Highlights of th u19 game v Aus on the irfu site http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/43099.php#.XAzTkhbp2Ec

Watched the full game on the Aus rugby website. The Ausies were definitely more physical even though a year younger. Ire struggled in key positions to control the game. Not a great performance but there were a couple of standouts 7&13 both IQ, Kelly second row. 14 smith took his try well

Munster need a big bruiser to come through at second row. Has he the size? Ahearn will be a good addition as well.

Paul Smeenus

From the Ulster thread - the Ulster team that beat the Australians. Rugby.com.au says there were four changes between the Oz teams that played Ulster and Ireland.

15-9):
Ethan McIlroy (Methodist College Belfast), u19
Conor Rankin (Campbell College Belfast), u18
Ben Carson (Wallace HS), u17
Ben Moxham (Ballymena RFC), u18
Ben McCaughey (Malone RFC), u19
Greg Hutley (Down HS), u18
Nathan Doak (Wallace HS); u18

(1-8): George Saunderson (Sullivan Upper School), u18
Tom Stewart (Belfast Royal Academy), u18
Oscar Egan Coleraine GS), u18
Matthew Sands (City of Armagh RFC), u18
Will Hopes (Regent House), u18
Riley Westwood (Bangor GS), u18
Charlie Clarke (Captain) (Rainey OB RFC), u?Reuban Crothers (Wallace HS). U17

Replacements:
Bryn Davies (Rainey ES), u19
Adam Hanna (Banbridge Academy), u18
Paddy McAlpine (Campbell College Belfast), u18
Steven Kelly (Letterkenny RFC), u?
Phil Campbell (Ballymena RFC), u18
Conor McKee (Sullivan Upper School), u18
Robbie Johnston (Queen’s University Belfast), u19
Rex Tinsley (Campbell College Belfast) u?

Wallace High School 3
Campbell 3
Sullivan 2
Ballymena RFC 2
Malone RFC 1
City of Armagh RFC 1
Letterkenny RFC 1
QUB 1
Methody 1
Rainey 1
Rainey RFC 1
Down High School 1
Regent House 1
BRA 1
Coleraine Grammar School 1
Banbridge Academy 1
Bangor Grammar School 1

Age groups added. Only 2 u19 unless the 7 was u19 in which case 3 u19 in starting team.

Number 137

jackdidley wrote: »

Highlights of th u19 game v Aus on the irfu site http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/43099.php#.XAzTkhbp2Ec

Watched the full game on the Aus rugby website. The Ausies were definitely more physical even though a year younger. Ire struggled in key positions to control the game. Not a great performance but there were a couple of standouts 7&13 both IQ, Kelly second row. 14 smith took his try well

The Australian team are actually the same age as the Irish. It's their u18 team, but because their season falls differently, the players are eligible once born in 2000. That'll be their u19 team for the calendar year in 2019, same as Ireland.

jackdidley

Number 137 wrote: »

The Australian team are actually the same age as the Irish. It's their u18 team, but because their season falls differently, the players are eligible once born in 2000. That'll be their u19 team for the calendar year in 2019, same as Ireland.

Not according to the match report on their website

“Two tour matches against Irish provinces a year older than the Aussies, a win over Munster and loss to Ulster, clearly had them primed for the challenge of the U19 Irish side”.

Locke_Lamora

jackdidley wrote: »

Not according to the match report on their website

“Two tour matches against Irish provinces a year older than the Aussies, a win over Munster and loss to Ulster, clearly had them primed for the challenge of the U19 Irish side”.

If you look at the Ulster team posted on the previous page there were only two u19's starting, with two u17's and the rest u18's - so I can't really see how they would be a year older than the aussies.

jacothelad

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

If you look at the Ulster team posted on the previous page there were only two u19's starting, with two u17's and the rest u18's - so I can't really see how they would be a year older than the aussies.

Yes, the Aussies have that upside down......:D

jackdidley

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

If you look at the Ulster team posted on the previous page there were only two u19's starting, with two u17's and the rest u18's - so I can't really see how they would be a year older than the aussies.

Because all the Irish starting 15 bar 1 are u19 and the Aussies are u18 apparently, that’s how. I’ve no idea how the Aus age system works just stating their report on their official website.

Number 137

It was an end of season tour for Australia. The Irish u19 squad is their u19 squad for the year ending 31st December 2019. This is Australia's u18 squad for the year ending 31st December 2018. So it will be their u19 side year ending 2019. Same as Ireland. The report saying they were facing a team a year older is based on the teams' titles, not their actual dates of birth.

Ayewserious

jackdidley wrote: »

Because all the Irish starting 15 bar 1 are u19 and the Aussies are u18 apparently, that’s how. I’ve no idea how the Aus age system works just stating their report on their official website.

Ireland 10,13 were both u18

jackdidley

Ayewserious wrote: »

Ireland 10,13 were both u18

Jack is definitely u18. I was nearly sure Hayden is of the age as he’s played this age group with the exiles / iq for the last number of years

Locke_Lamora

jackdidley wrote: »

Jack is definitely u18. I was nearly sure Hayden is of the age as he’s played this age group with the exiles / iq for the last number of years

Alex Shaw is usually quite knowledgeable with regards to English age grade prospects and he reckons Hayden is still u18 qualified.

Did anyone watch the full game (available on the aussies website)? Both teams looked quite poor at implementing any sort of game plan, there were lots of basic errors, and the overall quality wasn't great. Obviously we need to keep in mind that players were missing, teams were thrown together, and this was probably an exercise in getting game time for as many prospects as possible.

The Lost Sheep

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

Alex Shaw is usually quite knowledgeable with regards to English age grade prospects and he reckons Hayden is still u18 qualified.

Did anyone watch the full game (available on the aussies website)? Both teams looked quite poor at implementing any sort of game plan, there were lots of basic errors, and the overall quality wasn't great. Obviously we need to keep in mind that players were missing, teams were thrown together, and this was probably an exercise in getting game time for as many prospects as possible.

Hayden hyde is definitely u20(born in 99) and in his final year of 20s.

Ayewserious

jackdidley wrote: »

Jack is definitely u18. I was nearly sure Hayden is of the age as he’s played this age group with the exiles / iq for the last number of years

Is he in 5th or 6th year?

Tomtomfoolery

thanks

Blackheath

Are the Ireland U20 playing trail matches against Munster and Leinster U20 this year.

The Lost Sheep

Blackheath wrote: »

Are the Ireland U20 playing trail matches against Munster and Leinster U20 this year.

yes trial/warm up games before and just after christmas

The Lost Sheep

fixtures over christmas for 20s
v Leinster Development on 21/12 in Donnybrook
v Munster Development in Musgrave

bilston

Do they ever play Ulster or Connacht?

The Lost Sheep

bilston wrote: »

Do they ever play Ulster or Connacht?

No. Neither generally would have had depth and probably allows stronger opposition for 20s to play