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KatyMac

Roof on a lean-to tool shed lifting this morning! Supporting timber beam seems to have broken in the middle. I'm useless working off a ladder so we are planning to put concrete blocks to try and keep the iron roof on and will have to get someone to fix it properly. Hope wind dies down soon!

grassroot1

Milling rain here and I have a herd test
The cows were happy to get out of the rain so no bother getting them in.

L1985

So had a really busy weekend off farm had something every day and was out until 2sat night(not drinking m!) has a lovely spa day booked with friends yesterday.....but cows had other ideas.....
One calved sat night all was fine but had to get her in and she was v agitated so had to be careful. Then realized A second cow was calving got her in, left but prayed she would be ok but got a Neighbour to check just in case. She calves fine-came back yesterday evening and a third cow was calving in the lashing rain and had to get her in. Then this morning a fourth one went....honestly I need to have words with our bull. Nothing for 3weeks then four together!! I don't think the relaxing affect from the spa lasted too long....wrecked in work now!

gozunda

L1985 wrote: »

So had a really busy weekend off farm had something every day and was out until 2sat night(not drinking m!) has a lovely spa day booked with friends yesterday.....but cows had other ideas.....
One calved sat night all was fine but had to get her in and she was v agitated so had to be careful. Then realized A second cow was calving got her in, left but prayed she would be ok but got a Neighbour to check just in case. She calves fine-came back yesterday evening and a third cow was calving in the lashing rain and had to get her in. Then this morning a fourth one went....honestly I need to have words with our bull. Nothing for 3weeks then four together!! I don't think the relaxing affect from the spa lasted too long....wrecked in work now!

That will teach you to go off galavanting and enjoying yourself

KatyMac

L1985 wrote: »

So had a really busy weekend off farm had something every day and was out until 2sat night(not drinking m!) has a lovely spa day booked with friends yesterday.....but cows had other ideas.....
One calved sat night all was fine but had to get her in and she was v agitated so had to be careful. Then realized A second cow was calving got her in, left but prayed she would be ok but got a Neighbour to check just in case. She calves fine-came back yesterday evening and a third cow was calving in the lashing rain and had to get her in. Then this morning a fourth one went....honestly I need to have words with our bull. Nothing for 3weeks then four together!! I don't think the relaxing affect from the spa lasted too long....wrecked in work now!

There was the poor bull, killing himself 9 months ago and that's all the thanks he gets:D

L1985

I know!! We had another weekend with seven calves.....I think when he gets going he forgets to stop!!!
And yes where am I going with my relaxing notions.....that will teach me!!! Don’t think the effects of the facial held up too well in lashing rain either.....

foxy farmer

KatyMac wrote: »

There was the poor bull, killing himself 9 months ago and that's all the thanks he gets:D

Soon after the Dept of Agriculture introduced it's Premium Bull Scheme a farmer hired the best bull in the country to service his cows. After 3 months the bull hadn't been returned so the Dept dispatched an inspector hotfoot to the farm to see what the situation was. He arrived at the farm and eventually saw the bull. He was pulling a plough up and down a field, with the farmer whipping him along and shouting ;
"Get along outta that ya bugger ya, that'll teach ya theres more to life than romance".

emaherx

L1985 wrote: »

I know!! We had another weekend with seven calves.....I think when he gets going he forgets to stop!!!
And yes where am I going with my relaxing notions.....that will teach me!!! Don’t think the effects of the facial held up too well in lashing rain either.....

Typical! All the females in heat at the same time and some how it’s the males fault!

emaherx

_Brian wrote: »

Getting ready for the summer season.

https://extra.ie/2019/04/13/news/irish-news/banned-driver-car-caravan-seized-stopped-limerick

Summer over already?

gozunda

foxy farmer wrote: »

Soon after the Dept of Agriculture introduced it's Premium Bull Scheme a farmer hired the best bull in the country to service his cows. After 3 months the bull hadn't been returned so the Dept dispatched an inspector hotfoot to the farm to see what the situation was. He arrived at the farm and eventually saw the bull. He was pulling a plough up and down a field, with the farmer whipping him along and shouting ;
"Get along outta that ya bugger ya, that'll teach ya theres more to life than romance".

Reminds of the account told of Broad Haven near Achill which received the loan of a Spanish Jackass from the Congested Districts Board in order to help improve the the breeding of the local donkey. No sooner was the Jackass delivered to the area - that this particular specimen, reneged on its responsibilities and high tailed off to the mountains of Mayo where he roamed unhindered for several years.

His time being up, a ship was eventually dispatched with from the Congested District Board with the stated purpose "to capture and forcibly abduct the Spanish Jackass which was roaming the hills - 'somewhere in Mayo'"

It is said that the "Congested District Board had introduced a number of these tall Spanish beasts on the west coast for a time, in an endeavour to improve the stamina of the local donkey population". Local account records that "there was a particularly fine animal on Clare Island, affectionately know as the 'Congisted Ass' which would wander the roads, owing no allegiance and asking no favours"

Albert Johnson

foxy farmer wrote: »

Soon after the Dept of Agriculture introduced it's Premium Bull Scheme a farmer hired the best bull in the country to service his cows. After 3 months the bull hadn't been returned so the Dept dispatched an inspector hotfoot to the farm to see what the situation was. He arrived at the farm and eventually saw the bull. He was pulling a plough up and down a field, with the farmer whipping him along and shouting ;
"Get along outta that ya bugger ya, that'll teach ya theres more to life than romance".

The auld fella worked for a local character that had a garage and later a tyre remoulding business. The man in question could have had several books written about his escapades but I think one in particular is relevent to the above.

A woman living across the road from the garage had a terrier bitch that regularly came into heat. This was before neutering was common place and of course the bitch was confined to the house for a few days with all the male dogs of the locality assembled outside. The house was built on a small site between the footpath and a large earthen bank meaning it had no garden. This proved troublesome as the bitch had to go outside to do her business and left her vulnerable to the advances of the neighborhood dogs.

Someone advised her owner that a liberal application of petrol would mask the scent of her being in heat and solve the problem of letting the dog out unattended during these periods. The woman did as instructed and it was a great success, this process was repeated over a number of months and it became common knowledge around the village.

One day the bitch was in heat and the petrol was applied as usual. Her owner released the dog to attend to her business but was alarmed when she didn't return after a few minutes. Having went in search of the dog the woman called into the garage to ask had the dog been seen of late. Our man met the woman and having been informed of the missing bitch, her reproductive state and the application of petrol he offered the following: "I'm afraid mam she must have ran out of petrol as I saw Shivnan's dog towing her behind the garage a few minutes ago".

_Brian

emaherx wrote: »

https://extra.ie/2019/04/13/news/irish-news/banned-driver-car-caravan-seized-stopped-limerick

Summer over already?

That’s a shocking case, 3 kids loose in the caravan!
They were moving home rather than on holidays.

gozunda

emaherx wrote: »

https://extra.ie/2019/04/13/news/irish-news/banned-driver-car-caravan-seized-stopped-limerick

Summer over already?

The tourists are only arriving ...

KatyMac

gozunda wrote: »

Reminds of the account told of Broad Haven near Achill which received the loan of Spanish Jackass from the Congested Districts Board in order to help improve the the breeding of the local donkey. No sooner was the Jackass delivered to the area - that this particular specimen, reneged on its responsibilities and high tailed off to the mountains of Mayo where he roamed unhindered for several years.

His time being up, a ship was eventually dispatched with from the Congested District Board with the stated purpose "to capture and forcibly abduct the Spanish Jackass which was roaming the hills - 'somewhere in Mayo'"

It is said that the "Congested District Board had introduced a number of these tall Spanish beasts on the west coast for a time, in an endeavour to improve the stamina of the local donkey population". Local account records that "there was a particularly fine animal on Clare Island, affectionately know as the 'Congisted Ass' which would wander the roads, owing no allegiance and asking no favours"

This has brought to mind an ass that we used to borrow from neighbour to put out turf. He was, in comparison to our own asses, huge and my mother called him the Spanish Ass. I didn't understand at the time, but this makes sense now. He wasn't much use as a turf carrying animal! Too tall, long lanky legs, and a nose for every soft spot he could get stuck in. We spent 3 times as much time digging him out as we did filling his creels, while our own asses stood around 'laughing' at us.

Say my name

KatyMac wrote: »

This has brought to mind an ass that we used to borrow from neighbour to put out turf. He was, in comparison to our own asses, huge and my mother called him the Spanish Ass. I didn't understand at the time, but this makes sense now. He wasn't much use as a turf carrying animal! Too tall, long lanky legs, and a nose for every soft spot he could get stuck in. We spent 3 times as much time digging him out as we did filling his creels, while our own asses stood around 'laughing' at us.

It does make you wonder if the department officials back then, got in the slighest bit carried away when they went on their holiers over to the continent.
Spanish Jacks, Charolais bulls all suited to the environment in which they developed.

Meanwhile our own "natives" were looked down on and nearly neglected to history. Thanks to "those who knew better".

Say my name

Following on from Patsy McCabe's posts that he's now a recognised "black irish"

Patsy you may interested to know where your and our ancestors came from.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47938188

It seems that the move northwards from Spain and northern Africa coincided with the Sahara drying up after the rains stopped and this thus previous rich farmland becoming worthless and the migration northwestwards towards Spain, France, southwest England and coastal Ireland began. Bringing with them their tradition of agriculture and stone circles with them.

https://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populated.html

marathon

Anyone on here ever put back left window into seat Inca van or know any links that show me online? Can’t be that hard

gozunda

Say my name wrote: »

Following on from Patsy McCabe's posts that he's now a recognised "black irish"

Patsy you may interested to know where your and our ancestors came from.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47938188

It seems that the move northwards from Spain and northern Africa coincided with the Sahara drying up after the rains stopped and this thus previous rich farmland becoming worthless and the migration northwestwards towards Spain, France, southwest England and coastal Ireland began. Bringing with them their tradition of agriculture and stone circles with them.

https://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populated.html

Patsy - so it was your lot responsible for those long lanky legged asses! :pac:

Albert Johnson

It's made a fabulous evening, the cuckoo is singing and I've just seen the first wasp of the year. The forecast is optimistic looking into the long weekend, there's talk of turf cutting and fertilizer, no doubt when the weather plays ball it's a wonderful time of year.

Bullocks

Albert Johnson wrote: »

It's made a fabulous evening, the cuckoo is singing and I've just seen the first wasp of the year. The forecast is optimistic looking into the long weekend, there's talk of turf cutting and fertilizer, no doubt when the weather plays ball it's a wonderful time of year.

The brother is going cutting turf tomorrow, he said the bosses phone is ringing off the hook since the forecast gave the weekend so warm

whelan2

Are pubs allowed serve alcohol this good Friday?

_Brian

Bullocks wrote: »

The brother is going cutting turf tomorrow, he said the bosses phone is ringing off the hook since the forecast gave the weekend so warm

Would it not be very soft considering heavy rain forecast next week - to clarify, I know nothing about turf - have never been in the bog

roosterman71

whelan2 wrote: »

Are pubs allowed serve alcohol this good Friday?

They are

Bullocks

_Brian wrote: »

Would it not be very soft considering heavy rain forecast next week - to clarify, I know nothing about turf - have never been in the bog

I wouldn't be great at it either. I think if it gets a skin after a couple of good days the rain wouldn't bother it. They were more afraid of frost damage than rain

Muckit

_Brian wrote: »

have never been in the bog

You haven't lived!!

Scratch that. Lucky you!!! Torture!!

patsy_mccabe

Muckit wrote: »

You haven't lived!!

Scratch that. Lucky you!!! Torture!!

I've never been to the bog, never 'set spuds' or thinned turnips. Haven't lived according to my older neighbours.:o

Muckit

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I've never been to the bog, never 'set spuds' or thinned turnips. Haven't lived according to my older neighbours.:o

That's gas Patsy. Would have pencilled you as a "bogger."

Whatever about not going to the bog, how'd you get away without sowing spuds? Did ye not sow a garden for the house? Ye must have been rich!

_Brian

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I've never been to the bog, never 'set spuds' or thinned turnips. Haven't lived according to my older neighbours.:o

Remember setting and pitting spuds ok, dropping with the bell on a massy planter. Gathering after the spinner, hated being out on the outside where only odd spuds would land but I was Young.

Lady Haywire

Bullocks wrote: »

I wouldn't be great at it either. I think if it gets a skin after a couple of good days the rain wouldn't bother it. They were more afraid of frost damage than rain

It depends on how heavy the rain is but about 3 days of wind & sun on them is ideal to set the skin.

I says

Bullocks wrote: »

The brother is going cutting turf tomorrow, he said the bosses phone is ringing off the hook since the forecast gave the weekend so warm

Ffs it’s not even June and fcuking turf is mentioned

grassroot1

Just got a load of lime delivered. I asked the driver to tip it up in the field. He looked at me like I had 2 heads but in fairness did as he was asked. In tipped up and drove out no bother. Rabbit sand has its uses!!!

Say my name

grassroot1 wrote: »

Just got a load of lime delivered. I asked the driver to tip it up in the field. He looked at me like I had 2 heads but in fairness did as he was asked. In tipped up and drove out no bother. Rabbit sand has its uses!!!

The father here used to live in that part of the country. He'd say ploughing was a dream because you'd never hit a stone.

patsy_mccabe

Muckit wrote: »

That's gas Patsy. Would have pencilled you as a "bogger."

Whatever about not going to the bog, how'd you get away without sowing spuds? Did ye not sow a garden for the house? Ye must have been rich!

No, we never had a bog. Neither have any of my neighbours. Go 10 miles up the road and people would have them alright.
One of my earliest memories was of an older neighbour ploughing here with a horse, but I reckon I was only a toddler at the time. My Dad was working off the farm 7 days a week for long hours, so that put an end to them, I suppose. Hadn't time to bless himself, as my Mother used to say.
Were we rich? - Ya, like most families with 7 kids on a small west of Ireland farm.

Muckit

7 of us in it too. All the more reason to sow a garden to help feed ourselves!

Albert Johnson

Is there a list of Mart and county identifier codes available? I was looking through the blue cards earlier and some of the stock are "well traveled" and I'm curious as to what the various codes relate to. I'd know the local county and Mart codes but it's not a comprehensive knowledge.
I know the county identifiers were changed to I think 3 regional codes in recent years. Under the old system Leitrim was 23, Roscommon and Sligo were 31 and 32 if my memory serves me right.

Anto_Meath

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Is there a list of Mart and county identifier codes available? I was looking through the blue cards earlier and some of the stock are "well traveled" and I'm curious as to what the various codes relate to. I'd know the local county and Mart codes but it's not a comprehensive knowledge.
I know the county identifiers were changed to I think 3 regional codes in recent years. Under the old system Leitrim was 23, Roscommon and Sligo were 31 and 32 if my memory serves me right.

Yes that was very handy when you were picking out cattle in the Mart as you could identify the County, 12 for Cavan, 28 Meath & 29 Monaghan, they would be local cattle in the Mart here, so if you seen a pen from say Kerry (19) you had a fair idea they belongs to one of the dealers..
I can't work out where cattle are from at the minute with the new tags....

Albert Johnson

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Yes that was very handy when you were picking out cattle in the Mart as you could identify the County, 12 for Cavan, 28 Meath & 29 Monaghan, they would be local cattle in the Mart here, so if you seen a pen from say Kerry (19) you had a fair idea they belongs to one of the dealers..
I can't work out where cattle are from at the minute with the new tags....

Exactly it was a help when sourcing stock, having said that I don't mind dealer's stock if there suitable quality and price. This is for breeding stock so moves aren't an issue and there are some lads I wouldn't deal with regardless of what they had. The county identifiers were done away with in 2016 I think in favour of 3 regional codes, 21, 22 and 23 are the codes now. The tag format of IE changed to 372 and the check digit moved down to the bottom line at the same time.

_Brian

Up at 3:45 to hit NAC for 5am for swim training.

Feckin security guard 20 minutes late to open gates, at this time in the morning 20 minutes feels like forever to be hanging about.

dmakc

https://www.agriland.co.uk/farming-news/mother-and-son-sentenced-following-nightmare-scenes-at-ceredigion-farm/

Only thing worse than the conditions is the punishment :mad:

Albert Johnson

dmakc wrote: »

https://www.agriland.co.uk/farming-news/mother-and-son-sentenced-following-nightmare-scenes-at-ceredigion-farm/

Only thing worse than the conditions is the punishment :mad:

There's no excuse for letting the situation come anywhere remotely similar to the above but surely those involved have some "problems" that should have been dealt with long before now. I'm assuming they had farmed before this debacle so I wonder what factors led to such a sorry conclusion. I've seen welfare cases locally on a much smaller scale but just going by the pictures that seems horrific.

patsy_mccabe

dmakc wrote: »

https://www.agriland.co.uk/farming-news/mother-and-son-sentenced-following-nightmare-scenes-at-ceredigion-farm/

Only thing worse than the conditions is the punishment :mad:

God that's horrendous. Mental health issues there with the owners, no doubt.
I was expecting the usual vegan article 'oh, poor cattle standing in their own dung' etc, but that would shock the most hardened of us.

Jb1989

Albert Johnson wrote: »

There's no excuse for letting the situation come anywhere remotely similar to the above but surely those involved have some "problems" that should have been dealt with long before now. I'm assuming they had farmed before this debacle so I wonder what factors led to such a sorry conclusion. I've seen welfare cases locally on a much smaller scale but just going by the pictures that seems horrific.

Really have to be in their shoes, assuming it was mental health, its a strange thing. I'd have experience of their situation with livestock, in a far smaller way, not ideal, but that's what happens in a dark place.

_Brian

Wife was in vets office other day and a woman came barging in and cursed the vet and secretary out of it.

They had called ISPCA after being out and she was off the wall crazy over it.

Dead right when you see disgusting cases like that.

That’s serious mental health issues there. I bet their own living conditions were no better.

Genghis Cant

dmakc wrote: »

https://www.agriland.co.uk/farming-news/mother-and-son-sentenced-following-nightmare-scenes-at-ceredigion-farm/:

Horrendous case. You'd wonder how it could reach that level of neglect without someone knowing.

Albert Johnson

There was obviously something seriously wrong that led to such a terrible situation and it's sad for both man and beast to go through the like. I often think that the more regimental one generation is about something the more lax the following one can become. I see several examples locally of places that were always kept pristine and ruled with an iron fist by one or more parents. Often times​ the successor was mollycoddled all there life and was unable to function when the auld pair died off. There's a prime example on our road, the place was picture perfect until the mother died and now the only son is an aged bachelor with little interest in it, the briars are growing around the front door and the cattle graze up to to back one. This isn't necessarily the case for the family above but you'd have to wonder.

whelan2

Genghis Cant wrote: »

Horrendous case. You'd wonder how it could reach that level of neglect without someone knowing.

That's what I was thinking but we don't know the full story. Hopefully they are getting the help they need now

_Brian

Albert Johnson wrote: »

There was obviously something seriously wrong that led to such a terrible situation and it's sad for both man and beast to go through the like. I often think that the more regimental one generation is about something the more lax the following one can become. I see several examples locally of places that were always kept pristine and ruled with an iron fist by one or more parents. Often times​ the successor was mollycoddled all there life and was unable to function when the auld pair died off. There's a prime example on our road, the place was picture perfect until the mother died and now the only son is an aged bachelor with little interest in it, the briars are growing around the front door and the cattle graze up to to back one. This isn't necessarily the case for the family above but you'd have to wonder.

Know another case the same.
Lad in his 50’s, smothered by aunts and uncles mother a widow and he couldn’t be told by anyone.

All he has now is 60acres of scrub, on a 15 year ban on licence,after previous ten year ban, cattle were taken because breaking out all the time and neighbors got sick of it.
The aunties and uncles protecting him are all gone now and he’s all alone living in squalor drinking any money he can get, you’d smell him 20 yards away. Lays with a gypsie woman a fair bit when on tue beer hard. A real mental case

whelan2

Was it May 2018 the animals were found? Not standing up for them but if it was and they hadn't come to the attention of authorities before last spring was extremely challenging mentally and physically. I know no animals should be treated like that but it would explain some of it

Buford T. Justice XIX

Genghis Cant wrote: »

Horrendous case. You'd wonder how it could reach that level of neglect without someone knowing.

It's the lives we live in now, Genghis. We're so busy rushing from one place to another to collect and drop off, we don't have time to stop into the neighbours to say hello.

Albert Johnson

whelan2 wrote: »

Was it May 2018 the animals were found? Not standing up for them but if it was and they hadn't come to the attention of authorities before last spring was extremely challenging mentally and physically. I know no animals should be treated like that but it would explain some of it

I can empathize with anyone who found the spring of 2018 difficult or indeed any time of year, non of us are infallible and you never truly know the circumstances inside any yard gate. However the pictures show a situation that hardly developed over night either, it looks to be prolonged neglect on an industrial scale. It's tragic that both man and beast had to suffer in such a manner.

With the age profile of farmers increasing all the time and rural isolation becoming more of a problem I'd be worried that such situations could become more common. There's a lot of aging one man operations locally and illness, poor weather etc can befall any of us. A lot of the population aren't interested in each other anymore, they'll sit back and expect someone else to act. Then when such situations are exposed they wonder how it was allowed happen and blame the state for not providing assistance to those in need, it's the little individual acts than can help make the change imo.