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_Brian wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/100006438261989/posts/2858187131072534?s=100006091632102&v=i&sfns=mo

I watched this many times and enjoyed it each time

It reminds me of years ago when I used to help a local NCD dairy farmer during the calving season at weekends feeding & rearing calves.
One Saturday morning a car was parked in a road field gate and the farmer couldn't get into the field with the silage feed trailer to feed heifers. He drove back to the yard and put the extended forks on the matbro, headed back up the road, lifted the car and deposited it in the furthest part of the field away from the road. The car was still there all day Sunday but was gone Monday morning.

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Say my name wrote: »

Oh jeez don't ask me.
It's just something I heard mentioned on the radio.

Myself and the father here were convinced he wouldn't be found guilty especially when they had no real hard evidence, no admission of guilt, and the jury were taking so long.
Oh he did it alright but it was an unusual case that we were wondering why the guards even brought it to trial. But then there's been a result.

The majority of the jury obviously didn't agree with you and your Dad.

In fairness they had access to evidence that we (the public) didn't.

Say my name

Base price wrote: »

The majority of the jury obviously didn't agree with you and your Dad.

In fairness they had access to evidence that we (the public) didn't.

Ah it was fairly well publicized.

I mean they had a milk recorder technician give evidence that he was late for milking the next morning after the day when the deceased went missing. I know it's building a case but how many times have any of us been late for morning milking.

Then the guards using a white body model in the slurry tank to prove that the remains couldn't have been seen in the tank. It's a bit farcical.

There's also evidence that was withheld from the jury. Sex tapes with not much spoken in that the guards thought relevant but the judge thought no point in showing the jury.

It's been very well publicized now that it's over.

The jury decision was 10 to 2 over 6 days and then they were even allowed home such was their indecision and taking so long.

patsy_mccabe

What I don't get is......how can I put this delicately.....Mary Lowry - well, she's no oil painting.

dzer2

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

What I don't get is......how can I put this delicately.....Mary Lowry - well, she's no oil painting.

You dont look at the mantle piece when poking the fire

Odelay

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

What I don't get is......how can I put this delicately.....Mary Lowry - well, she's no oil painting.

Neither of them were.

patsy_mccabe

I see Ruby Walsh has retired. I wish him many days ahead, all starting with a full Irish and ending with a pint.

Odelay

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I see Ruby Walsh has retired. I wish him many days, all starting with a full Irish and ending with a pint.

I’d say he’s looking forward to a few decent meals at this stage!

whelan2

dzer2 wrote: »

You dont look at the mantle piece when poking the fire

Near spat out my tea :eek::D

whelan2

Base price wrote: »

I thought that the Joe O'Reilly case was the first and then Graham Dwyer afterwards?

Are they still appealling their cases? Joe o reillys kids live a few miles from her with his mother. They are the real losers in that case

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whelan2 wrote: »

Are they still appealling their cases? Joe o reillys kids live a few miles from her with his mother. They are the real losers in that case

https://www.thejournal.ie/joe-oreilly-appeal-rachel-callely-parents-4517685-Feb2019/

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Base price wrote: »

A new three part programme called Taoide (Tides) on TG4 tomorrow night at 9.30. Partially funded/made in Ireland.
https://www.marine.ie/Home/site-area/news-events/power-tides-explored-epic-tg4-documentary-series?fbclid=IwAR3eiyeXAXLPPKrlcWnCG0-xHBUkKzu7wHZp0ISNiOVckHiBC-Eu3HxEHhc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdg5x67xPJM

Did any of ye see this. Unfortunately I can't as I'm busy with family stuff.

Grueller

Watching the cutting edge here. Nora Casey has had a serious amount of work on her eyes and lips.

Say my name

Grueller wrote: »

Watching the cutting edge here. Nora Casey has had a serious amount of work on her eyes and lips.

I had to look!!

Honestly didn't recognise her as Nora Casey.
The smile lines are all gone. The face doesn't move any more. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: :eek: No more.

Mooooo

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Some disaster of a morning here. Had a 14 month old heifer I bought off a cousin turned out to be in calf, couldn't give her back to him because he got caught with tb in the meantime. Went calving this morning and I wasn't expecting it for another week at least. Had the head out so had to try pulling, got locked on the hips. Calf dead. Called vet to come but managed to bring calf in the meantime and got the heifer standing for a minute after even though she was very wobbly. Vet came then and gave here a shot of cortasone and a bottle of calcium into the vein. Just coming to the end of the bottle of calcium and she dropped dead.

Was the calcium going in too fast? That can be dangerous afaik?

whelan2

Mooooo wrote: »

Was the calcium going in too fast? That can be dangerous afaik?

Magnessium would be a problem but calcium should normally be ok

Mooooo

whelan2 wrote: »

Magnessium would be a problem but calcium should normally be ok

I think calcium can decrease the heart rate and cause death if too quickly in to the vein. Nearly happened here saw the eyes rolling in the head and vet slowed it down

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Say my name wrote: »

Ah it was fairly well publicized.

I mean they had a milk recorder technician give evidence that he was late for milking the next morning after the day when the deceased went missing. I know it's building a case but how many times have any of us been late for morning milking.

Then the guards using a white body model in the slurry tank to prove that the remains couldn't have been seen in the tank. It's a bit farcical.

There's also evidence that was withheld from the jury. Sex tapes with not much spoken in that the guards thought relevant but the judge thought no point in showing the jury.

It's been very well publicized now that it's over.
The jury decision was 10 to 2 over 6 days and then they were even allowed home such was their indecision and taking so long.

Where was this information well publicised ??

Limestone Cowboy

Mooooo wrote: »

Was the calcium going in too fast? That can be dangerous afaik?

It went in pretty quick alright. 2 minutes at the most of say.

whelan2

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

It went in pretty quick alright. 2 minutes at the most of say.

Vet should have slowed it down in fairness

Say my name

Base price wrote: »

Where was this information well publicised ??

I'm not posting anymore on this.
RTE and various radio reports and do a Google search on this case for more that's being reported during and today on it.
There's also a thread in After Hours now that it's concluded.
It's the most talked about case since the trial began.

There's also another high profile case just started but that'll be discussed on here when it's concluded. Daily reports are being broadcast on the radio about that too.

patsy_mccabe

Anyone see the programme on Fiona Sinnott. They more or less said the boyfriend did it. He beat her up just 2 weeks before she disappeared.(They read out the hospital report on the assault). Strange to see them being that so fortright in the programme.

Muckit

Grueller wrote: »

Watching the cutting edge here. Nora Casey has had a serious amount of work on her eyes and lips.

Ah you still would though

Grueller

Muckit wrote: »

Ah you still would though

Not with yours I'm afraid Muckit. She is the exact type I would have no interest in. Herself and Deirdre O'Kane I think are the 2 most false people in modern day Ireland and that is saying something.

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Say my name wrote: »

I'm not posting anymore on this.
RTE and various radio reports and do a Google search on this case for more that's being reported during and today on it.
There's also a thread in After Hours now that it's concluded.
It's the most talked about case since the trial began.

There's also another high profile case just started but that'll be discussed on here when it's concluded. Daily reports are being broadcast on the radio about that too.

I have listened to the court reports from the RTE and Newstalk correspondents and there was no reference to milk recorder technicians, white body models?? etc

"Ah it was fairly well publicized.

I mean they had a milk recorder technician give evidence that he was late for milking the next morning after the day when the deceased went missing. I know it's building a case but how many times have any of us been late for morning milking.

Then the guards using a white body model in the slurry tank to prove that the remains couldn't have been seen in the tank. It's a bit farcical.

There's also evidence that was withheld from the jury. Sex tapes with not much spoken in that the guards thought relevant but the judge thought no point in showing the jury.

It's been very well publicized now that it's over.
The jury decision was 10 to 2 over 6 days and then they were even allowed home such was their indecision and taking so long.

Say my name

Base price wrote: »

I have listened to the court reports from the RTE and Newstalk correspondents and there was no reference to milk recorder technicians, white body models?? etc

"Ah it was fairly well publicized.

I mean they had a milk recorder technician give evidence that he was late for milking the next morning after the day when the deceased went missing. I know it's building a case but how many times have any of us been late for morning milking.

Then the guards using a white body model in the slurry tank to prove that the remains couldn't have been seen in the tank. It's a bit farcical.

There's also evidence that was withheld from the jury. Sex tapes with not much spoken in that the guards thought relevant but the judge thought no point in showing the jury.

It's been very well publicized now that it's over.
The jury decision was 10 to 2 over 6 days and then they were even allowed home such was their indecision and taking so long.

Ah look Bp there was. It was reported about the milk recorder or worker or ai technician or whoever the hell she was giving evidence about Quirke being late for milking.
The white body thing a majig was on rte radio this evening around half four after the news broke about the case coming to a conclusion.

Google is your friend for anymore.

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Say my name wrote: »

Ah it was fairly well publicized.

I mean they had a milk recorder technician give evidence that he was late for milking the next morning after the day when the deceased went missing. I know it's building a case but how many times have any of us been late for morning milking.

Then the guards using a white body model in the slurry tank to prove that the remains couldn't have been seen in the tank. It's a bit farcical.

There's also evidence that was withheld from the jury. Sex tapes with not much spoken in that the guards thought relevant but the judge thought no point in showing the jury.

It's been very well publicized now that it's over.

The jury decision was 10 to 2 over 6 days and then they were even allowed home such was their indecision and taking so long.

If you educated yourself you would know that jurors get to go home and sleep in their own leaba each and every night during a trial unless the Judge directs otherwise.

Say my name

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If you educated yourself you would know that jurors get to go home and sleep in their own leaba each and every night during a trial unless the Judge directs otherwise.

Ok!! You win.

Google is being too good a friend now.

Chill.

Limestone Cowboy

whelan2 wrote: »

Vet should have slowed it down in fairness

She is a young vet on her first year out of college. To be honest I thought the heifer was shook up a bit but ok after the ordeal, was very surprised to see her die. Was thinking myself that the calcium had caused her to go into shock but didn't really know much about it. Never lost one like that after calving before.

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Say my name wrote: »

Ok!! You win.

Google is being too good a friend now.

Chill.

Jaysus, it has nothing to do with winning, loosing or scoring points and if you think that is the case then :eek:

longgonesilver

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

She is a young vet on her first year out of college. To be honest I thought the heifer was shook up a bit but ok after the ordeal, was very surprised to see her die. Was thinking myself that the calcium had caused her to go into shock but didn't really know much about it. Never lost one like that after calving before.

The calcium would have been to treat the shock.

Neither magnesium or calcium should be administered with the bottle at the full height of the flutter valve tube unless the animal is deemed to be near the point of death and speed is crucial. The vet should have the stethoscope on the cows heart if the bottle is at full height.
The medicine is going into a major vein, then into heart, then lungs, if too high a concentration of Mg of Ca returns to feed the heart muscle, it causes a heart attack.

Was the heifer showing any signs of milk fever? Shivering?

Odelay

****ing neighbors have a new dog. Bark bark ....,,,,bark bark bark. Just when you think it’s going to stop. ****ers at it for hours now:(

Lady Haywire

Odelay wrote: »

I’d say he’s looking forward to a few decent meals at this stage!

And a few rides without having to worry about falling off :pac:

Odelay

Lady Haywire wrote: »

And a few rides without having to worry about falling off :pac:

He fell off a fair amount alright. Second last or last were always difficult for him!

The Rabbi

Lady Haywire wrote: »

And a few rides without having to worry about falling off :pac:

Getting caught might cost him more if he leaves it too late to jump off.

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patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Anyone see the programme on Fiona Sinnott. They more or less said the boyfriend did it. He beat her up just 2 weeks before she disappeared.(They read out the hospital report on the assault). Strange to see them being that so fortright in the programme.

I didn't see the programme but I clearly remember when Jojo Dollard disappeared. I used to pass the phone box in Moone on the way to and from pedigree cattle meetings in Carlow and it scared the daylights outta me.

Suckler

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Anyone see the programme on Fiona Sinnott. They more or less said the boyfriend did it. He beat her up just 2 weeks before she disappeared.(They read out the hospital report on the assault). Strange to see them being that so fortright in the programme.

When & where was this on? Please & thanks!

grassroot1

I see the last page of The Phoenix is a full papge add for some vegan grouping

Limestone Cowboy

longgonesilver wrote: »

The calcium would have been to treat the shock.

Neither magnesium or calcium should be administered with the bottle at the full height of the flutter valve tube unless the animal is deemed to be near the point of death and speed is crucial. The vet should have the stethoscope on the cows heart if the bottle is at full height.
The medicine is going into a major vein, then into heart, then lungs, if too high a concentration of Mg of Ca returns to feed the heart muscle, it causes a heart attack.

Was the heifer showing any signs of milk fever? Shivering?

Ya she was shivering a bit alright, I thought she'd be ok though. Have had ones a lot worse that were fine and up after a day or two with only myself giving them a bottle under the skin and an anti inflammatory shot. She didnt use a stethoscope. Doesn't really matter now anyway. We've different vets here every year, they take on a few fresh out of college for a season and we supply the guinea pigs for an extorniate fee. Sometimes they get a very good one but they never stay more than a year. Only one senior vet who rarely does call outs.

whelan2

I would mention it to the practice. No point paying full whack. I know everyone one has to learn somewhere but why should we pay for their mistakes

wrangler

whelan2 wrote: »

I would mention it to the practice. No point paying full whack. I know everyone one has to learn somewhere but why should we pay for their mistakes

Would you not need a PM to look for Compo, otherwise you're only guessing what killed her

whelan2

wrangler wrote: »

Would you not need a PM to look for Compo, otherwise you're only guessing what killed her

Young vet here put calfs hoof through the cows womb. Massive tear. I rang practice and wasn't charged for it. I wouldn't be looking for compo just not paying the fee. Cow had to be put down so I had to pay knacker too.

wrangler

whelan2 wrote: »

Young vet here put calfs hoof through the cows womb. Massive tear. I rang practice and wasn't charged for it. I wouldn't be looking for compo just not paying the fee. Cow had to be put down so I had to pay knacker too.

That was straightforward but the cow with the hard calving could've been anything
Bad heart etc

whelan2

wrangler wrote: »

That was straightforward but the cow with the hard calving could've been anything
Bad heart etc

At the end of the day you are paying professional fees for a rookie

patsy_mccabe

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Ya she was shivering a bit alright, I thought she'd be ok though. Have had ones a lot worse that were fine and up after a day or two with only myself giving them a bottle under the skin and an anti inflammatory shot. She didnt use a stethoscope. Doesn't really matter now anyway. We've different vets here every year, they take on a few fresh out of college for a season and we supply the guinea pigs for an extorniate fee. Sometimes they get a very good one but they never stay more than a year. Only one senior vet who rarely does call outs.

Same here with local practice. Different vet every time. Some very young, some foreign with poorish english but top notch vets all the same. Couldn't fault them.

Mooooo

Tbh if it's a heifer I wouldn't have thought the calcium in to the vein would be required. Generally an anti-inflammatory and some oxytocin after a hard calving possibly anti biotics if vet sees fit. Unless there was e coli mastitis or something calcium shouldn't be an issue of have thought. Vets must learn in the field also and nobody is infallible so I wouldn't go falling out with the practice but maybe a chat with the older vet may be no harm. It may not have been the cause of death but if it was she won't learn if she doesn't know about it

longgonesilver

She should have known, it is one of the basics of intravenous injection, even with a syringe, put in some, draw back blood, in some more, draw back again, they are not rinsing the syringe, they are trying to avoid putting in too much chemical in too small a section of the blood.

She knows now and hopefully will learn.

There is a growing shortage of vets willing to work with large animals, we need to encourage those willing to at least try.

patsy_mccabe

Would you blame vets for not wanting to work with large farm animals. A lot easier and more money working with little fifi and fufu who need a worm dose.
Compare that with say 100 bulls to be TB tested.

Limestone Cowboy

Mooooo wrote: »

Tbh if it's a heifer I wouldn't have thought the calcium in to the vein would be required. Generally an anti-inflammatory and some oxytocin after a hard calving possibly anti biotics if vet sees fit. Unless there was e coli mastitis or something calcium shouldn't be an issue of have thought. Vets must learn in the field also and nobody is infallible so I wouldn't go falling out with the practice but maybe a chat with the older vet may be no harm. It may not have been the cause of death but if it was she won't learn if she doesn't know about it

I'm not going to say anything and don't want to fall out with them. For all I know she could have dropped dead without the vet ever being there even though I don't think she would have. It would be nice if they at least had a few experienced vets in the practice though. Everyone has to learn but they are thrown in the deep end. They put a few really good ones through the practice over the last few years along with a few that were not so good. Just don't want to pay for an experienced one...

Limestone Cowboy

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Would you blame vets for not wanting to work with large farm animals. A lot easier and more money working with little fifi and fufu who need a worm dose.
Compare that with say 100 bulls to be TB tested.

My crowd charged a neighbour €40 to put down a lamb a few weeks ago and he brought it to the practice. They're not afraid to charge anyway.