Brexit discussion thread IV

Hurrache

Good summation.

On a positive note, at least one MP has found a benefit of Brexit, more sucky hoovers! (saw this yesterday but it's gaining traction)
https://twitter.com/RossThomson_MP/status/1023879627125731328

trellheim

Bottom line: if the UK wants French support for its Brexit position, it needs to adopt a Brexit position which better aligns with France's strategic interests. And it needs to reassure the French that it is committed to that position.

I think all of this probably broadly goes for Germany as well.

Keeping to the same stance has resulted in thousands of ( high net worth) relocated jobs to your country. Why would you mess with that as it looks like its going to continue

Interestingly the security stuff which was one of todays headlines is worth a look - is that code for Galileo

Peregrinus

trellheim wrote: »

Keeping to the same stance has resulted in thousands of ( high net worth) relocated jobs to your country. Why would you mess with that as it looks like its going to continue

Because thousands of high net worth jobs relocating to France, while welcome it itself, is not the only consequence of Brexit. On all models of Brexit - soft, hard, crash-out - France is expected to suffer though, obviously, it suffers more in a crash-out Brexit.

trellheim wrote: »

Interestingly the security stuff which was one of todays headlines is worth a look - is that code for Galileo

Yes.

Zubeneschamali

Peregrinus wrote: »

Shorter queues taking up less roadspace.

The queues should be sorted anyhow - 4 out of 5 lorries leaving the UK for the Continent leave empty. They should have an empty lorry queue, which will face much less delay in France. It would be a small change to have an empty-or-TIR queue.

Leroy42

Peregrinus wrote: »

France also sees the UK as very unreliable in relation to Brexit; they are amazed at how long it has taken the UK to produce its proposals; they note the firestorm those proposals have provoked on the home front; they question the stability and dependability of the UK government's position on Brexit. They are not going to expend political capital on supporting a UK position from which, they think, the UK itself may well move.

And this is a very important point. Throughout the Brexit process, most notably the December agreement and subsequent row back, the UK has shown itself to be totally unreliable.

Even the much vaunted White Paper, lasted only a few days and is now basically in tatters in the UK, never mind what the EU thinks of it.

On that basis it would be crazy for any government to row in behind the UK in a disagreement in the EU as it is very likely that the UK position will change anyway.

I would be very slow to give any leeway as it appears that the UK want everything and anything you do offer will merely be taken as a reason to ask for more.

There is no doubt that the French, Germans Dutch, Irish, in fact I would say every one of the 27 want a soft Brexit, but that is becoming increasingly unlikely as this goes on. AS the voters in the UK as so oft to say "just get on with it", I fear that that is the view in the EU.

There really is very little that can be done to deliver a soft Brexit, outside of putting the very EU itself at risk

Harika

Sky requested studies with a freedom of information request and this is what they got back

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1024587680699621376

Basically the only positive effect will be that there will be reduced demand for services if population reduces. :pac:

Akrasia

Harika wrote: »

Sky requested studies with a freedom of information request and this is what they got back

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1024587680699621376

Basically the only positive effect will be that there will be reduced demand for services if population reduces. :pac:

Framed like that, it looks like the opening scene from. Star wars.

Are the British the plucky rebels fighting against the oppressive EU empire who will do everything they can to crush the rebellion?

trellheim

the two high risk/very likely in that

"there'll be less cash about" .... Hmmmm "No **** sherlock"

A Dub in Glasgo

Hurrache wrote: »

Good summation.

On a positive note, at least one MP has found a benefit of Brexit, more sucky hoovers! (saw this yesterday but it's gaining traction)
https://twitter.com/RossThomson_MP/status/1023879627125731328

This MP is up there with the fairies and is an embarassment to his constituents

Imreoir2

Harika wrote: »

Sky requested studies with a freedom of information request and this is what they got back

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1024587680699621376

Basically the only positive effect will be that there will be reduced demand for services if population reduces. :pac:

Had a look through some of the reports, one of the other "positives" I found was one council expects that their workload will reduce when they no longer have to administer EU grants.

Another thinks that the abandonment of constraints on the budget deficit and the capital spending the government will be forced into in a bid to stave off a recession will allow them to bring forward some infastructure projects.

You would be forgiven for thinking that there was a certain amount of gallows humour among those tasked with writing the "positives" section of these reports.

El Weirdo

trellheim wrote: »

the two high risk/very likely in that

"there'll be less cash about" .... Hmmmm "No **** sherlock"

This is more readable.

https://twitter.com/zachjourno/status/1024580567558496256

Harika

Imreoir2 wrote: »

You would be forgiven for thinking that there was a certain amount of gallows humour among those tasked with writing the "positives" section of these reports.

I thought they were just very thorough and added everything, as marginal as it seems. Still it is devastating and the will of the people is important but still after all the revelations TM should have the people have another referendum with the final deal as then it is clear what Brexit really means.

Imreoir2

Harika wrote: »

I thought they were just very thorough and added everything, as marginal as it seems. Still it is devastating and the will of the people is important but still after all the revelations TM should have the people have another referendum with the final deal as then it is clear what Brexit really means.

The chances of a final deal are becoming ever more remote.

Spook_ie

Harika wrote: »

I thought they were just very thorough and added everything, as marginal as it seems. Still it is devastating and the will of the people is important but still after all the revelations TM should have the people have another referendum with the final deal as then it is clear what Brexit really means.

Imreoir2 wrote: »

The chances of a final deal are becoming ever more remote.

And I believe they become more remote the more people keep saying they should have another vote, they voted, lets get on with it, if we can find a deal do a deal but get on with it.

jooksavage

El Weirdo wrote: »

This is more readable.

Jesus Christ, that's grim.


Increased cost of living, reduced income, sharp economic downturn, prolonged/indefinte austerity, delayed/cancelled infrastructure programs... On the upside, fewer foreigners using our public services... but way more newly impoverished British people availing of them.

Curly Judge

Spook_ie wrote: »

And I believe they become more remote the more people keep saying they should have another vote, they voted, lets get on with it, if we can find a deal do a deal but get on with it.

By all means, let's get on with it.:rolleyes:
Avoiding the ruination of the country is a poor second to "getting on with it".

Curly Judge

jooksavage wrote: »

Jesus Christ, that's grim.


Increased cost of living, reduced income, sharp economic downturn, prolonged/indefinte austerity, delayed/cancelled infrastructure programs... On the upside, fewer foreigners using our public services... but way more newly impoverished British people availing of them.

If there are any services left to avail of?

seamus

El Weirdo wrote: »

This is more readable.

https://twitter.com/zachjourno/status/1024580567558496256

And the only "positive" is that "well, if there are less people, then we don't have to spend quite so much."

"The upside of our hospital being closed down is that we'll see fewer patients die in it!"

Harika

Curly Judge wrote: »

By all means, let's get on with it.:rolleyes:
Avoiding the ruination of the country is a poor second to "getting on with it".

On one side you have the facts of ruining the country and on the other side BoJo says you just need to believe hard enough. :eek:

Leroy42

I think it safe to say we can add local councils and the like to the list.

Things Brexitteers hate about Britain;

The Lords, Parliament, NI, judges, experts, MSM (excluding the main parts of it), the BBC, civil servants, trade organisations, business, anyone that didn't vote leave, Europeans, and now local councils.

VinLieger

seamus wrote: »

And the only "positive" is that "well, if there are less people, then we don't have to spend quite so much."

Missing the entire other side of "if there's less people we also wont have as much money coming via taxes in to spend"

Frank Bullitt

El Weirdo wrote: »

This is more readable.

https://twitter.com/zachjourno/status/1024580567558496256

Just read that thread, the numbers are terrifying.

86% of sheep farms making a loss in Shetland stands out.

An Ciarraioch

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1024402024841011201

Ironically, given most arrivals at UK airports would be British, it might actually speed up queues for every other nationality!

El Weirdo

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1024402024841011201

Ironically, given most arrivals at UK airports would be British, it might actually speed up queues for every other nationality!

https://twitter.com/WarwickLeaveEU/status/1024406143609786368

Easily pleased.

seamus

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1024402024841011201

Ironically, given most arrivals at UK airports would be British, it might actually speed up queues for every other nationality!

This is truly bizzaro stuff.

Sajid Javid has torn up plans for UK-only channels in arrivals lounges to insist Brits will still have to queue alongside EU visitors.

His order came after Home Office research found separate lines would cost too much and could also create longer waiting times.

But The Sun can reveal that the PM will intervene to insist on them to produce another visual symbol of Brexit in practice.

This is basically indistinguishable from a "punishment" for Brexit - "British people should be forced into their own queue so they see and feel some real effects from Brexit".

I think at this point the British press will spin anything as a positive story if it is in any way attributed to Brexit.

"Due to soaring fuel prices imposed by the EU following Brexit, more and more Britons are opting to leave the car at home, and walk, cycle and run to work and the shops. A collapse in demand for foreign-produced fatty foods also means that more and more people are eating less food and choosing healthy, locally-produced farm food where they can.

Experts say that Britain is on track to be the slimmest and fittest nation in Europe by 2045"

breatheme

seamus wrote: »

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1024402024841011201

Ironically, given most arrivals at UK airports would be British, it might actually speed up queues for every other nationality!

This is truly bizzaro stuff.

Sajid Javid has torn up plans for UK-only channels in arrivals lounges to insist Brits will still have to queue alongside EU visitors.

His order came after Home Office research found separate lines would cost too much and could also create longer waiting times.

But The Sun can reveal that the PM will intervene to insist on them to produce another visual symbol of Brexit in practice.

This is basically indistinguishable from a "punishment" for Brexit - "British people should be forced into their own queue so they see and feel some real effects from Brexit".

I think at this point the British press will spin anything as a positive story if it is in any way attributed to Brexit.

"Due to soaring fuel prices imposed by the EU following Brexit, more and more Britons are opting to leave the car at home, and walk, cycle and run to work and the shops. A collapse in demand for foreign-produced fatty foods also means that more and more people are eating less food and choosing healthy, locally-produced farm food where they can.

Experts say that Britain is on track to be the slimmest and fittest nation in Europe by 2045"

What experts? Who are they? And I thought they couldn't be trusted!?

ambro25

seamus wrote: »

This is truly bizzaro stuff.

Sajid Javid has torn up plans for UK-only channels in arrivals lounges to insist Brits will still have to queue alongside EU visitors.

His order came after Home Office research found separate lines would cost too much and could also create longer waiting times.

But The Sun can reveal that the PM will intervene to insist on them to produce another visual symbol of Brexit in practice.

It’s snake oil being called for what it is, loud and clear, by its merchant.

Who said Theresa has no humour?

Imreoir2

seamus wrote: »

This is truly bizzaro stuff.
This is basically indistinguishable from a "punishment" for Brexit - "British people should be forced into their own queue so they see and feel some real effects from Brexit".

I think at this point the British press will spin anything as a positive story if it is in any way attributed to Brexit.

"Due to soaring fuel prices imposed by the EU following Brexit, more and more Britons are opting to leave the car at home, and walk, cycle and run to work and the shops. A collapse in demand for foreign-produced fatty foods also means that more and more people are eating less food and choosing healthy, locally-produced farm food where they can.

Experts say that Britain is on track to be the slimmest and fittest nation in Europe by 2045"

Balaclava and baseball bat sales soar, another Brexit dividend.

Clearly May is taking the lesson of Trump style politics, all show and no substance. The supporters, be they Brexiteers, or Trumpistas, are already putting the walls up against reality, they don't want to accept that they are wrong, all you have to do is throw them some scraps to confirm their beliefs. It does not need to be particularly plausible, they will cling to it like life itself if it allows them to continue in their delusion.

Nody

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Ironically, given most arrivals at UK airports would be British, it might actually speed up queues for every other nationality!

There is no maybe about it...

Sajid Javid has torn up plans for UK-only channels in arrivals lounges to insist Brits will still have to queue alongside EU visitors.

His order came after Home Office research found separate lines would cost too much and could also create longer waiting times.

Research by the Home Office concluded that while UK-only lines would be popular, they would come at “considerable additional cost” as extra border staff would be needed to check passports.

It was also discovered that as the overwhelming number of people coming in are Brits, the UK only queue at peak periods in the day would be longer than all the others put together.

Yay let's have UK only lanes to show how British we are which will cost a ton of money and mean we get back into Britain slower than currently! "I'm a Brexiteer and I approve of this message!"

Leroy42

TBF, if I was a UK citizen I would expect there to be a separate line. Why should they have to queue with the people that need visas?

TM is right on this. It might the the only thing they can actually point to as being a Brexit dividend.

We (EU passport holders) will expect that the UK people cannot simply join our queue at the control wouldn't we?