Brexit discussion thread IV

brickster69

Of course i do. However i was responding with the facts that the staff will be on full pay. Also it is not primarily because of Brexit that sales of Diesel cars have fallen through the floor.
Tens of thousands have signed up to the class lawsuit against VW in the UK already. 
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-5762489/VW-owners-26-October-claim-dieselgate-compensation.html

Imreoir2

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It's a sort of economic MAD strategy, I guess, without the mutual bit. Maybe ASS would be more descriptive: Assured Self Sabotage.

I think SAD (self administered destruction) is better.

The UK are on a hiding to nothing if they think the EU will blink at the last minute. It's plain to see that the gloves are starting to come off from the EU. I think we will see a ratcheting up of the presure from now to Novermber.

deirdremf

Sassygirl1999 wrote: »

Northern Ireland businesses purchased £11 billion of goods from Britain compared to £2 billion from the Republic of Ireland and £4.1 billion from the rest of the world in 2016, according to figures supplied by the UK government to the European Commission, and seen by RTÉ News.
Have we compiled our figures for the above with UK and NI separately?

Yes but ...
how much of that 11 billion transited through GB from other parts of the world on its way to NI?

judeboy101

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Varadkar saying UK text can't be accepted...

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/0919/994793-salzburg/

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1042488571825999873

FG kiteflying they do this before budgets to make ppl feel its going to be tough and then miraculously pull it out of the bag. The common folk will be so delighted the worst has been avoided they'll fail to see they lose either way.

EdgeCase

deirdremf wrote: »

Yes but ...
how much of that 11 billion transited through GB from other parts of the world on its way to NI?

That's the problem with all of those kinds of statistics: nobody knows. The data is not captured.

Imreoir2

judeboy101 wrote: »

FG kiteflying they do this before budgets to make ppl feel its going to be tough and then miraculously pull it out of the bag. The common folk will be so delighted the worst has been avoided they'll fail to see they lose either way.

Or just admiting that what we have known all along is infact true, no progress has been made.

It is obvious that the UK side has been far too unstable to make any progress, its cabinet, government and Parliament are in complete deadlock on the issue, there is no majority anywhere for any of the available options so all that is left is the default option which is no-deal.

judeboy101

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Or just admiting that what we have known all along is infact true, no progress has been made.

It is obvious that the UK side has been far too unstable to make any progress, its cabinet, government and Parliament are in complete deadlock on the issue, there is no majority anywhere for any of the available options so all that is left is the default option which is no-deal.

Id like to believe that, but spin is king. Make the public think the worst outcome is certain and they'll accept anything but the very worst.

Charles Babbage

demfad wrote: »

Remember a lot of the £11 billion would be day to day items in high street shops and supermarkets. The ROI faces similar issues but these can be overcome to some degree by changing supply lines.
Any produce of EU origin could be exported directly to NI and more expensive GB products replaced. ROI will be doing this for the Island anyway. You would be looking at a lot more serious competition from the likes of Aldi and Lidl to Tesco etc up there.

Tesco have a big shed north of Swords which serves the whole island. They might start sourcing more of their ready meals and produce on this island.



Aldi do not present operate in NI, this could be a good opportunity.


The likes of Sainsburys could have problems as they often ship over stuff that is readily available on this island. Maybe an opportunity for suppliers.

An Ciarraioch

UK Independent is the Remain equivalent of the Daily Express, but here's their latest:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Independent/status/1042507086029119488

Oafley Jones

brickster69 wrote: »

Of course i do. However i was responding with the facts that the staff will be on full pay. Also it is not primarily because of Brexit that sales of Diesel cars have fallen through the floor.
Tens of thousands have signed up to the class lawsuit against VW in the UK already. 
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-5762489/VW-owners-26-October-claim-dieselgate-compensation.html

Car sales in Europe are near record numbers. And it’s not like the Germans have given up on producing diesel cars. People don’t buy new cars when they’ve the fear about economic uncertainty.

Professor Moriarty

Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't Chequers dead anyway? Even if the EU were to agree to it, the Brexiteers, Labour and the Lib Dems will vote it down.

VonZan

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

There is no reason why you can't be a populist and principled idealist. Boris isn't an idealist nor is he principled. He is a bit of a populist but essentially he's just a pragmatist with a deep need for self-aggrandisment.

You've intented up the term principled idealist. To describe Boris Johnson as a pragmatist is just simply untrue.

Hurrache

judeboy101 wrote: »

Id like to believe that, but spin is king. Make the public think the worst outcome is certain and they'll accept anything but the very worst.

The public will have no choice in what to accept, good or bad.

Spook_ie

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Indeed. How would we feel if our country was divided in two?

As far as some people would think "their" country was torn into two and 26 counties given away to create a new country.

Professor Moriarty

VonZan wrote: »

You've intented up the term principled idealist. To describe Boris Johnson as a pragmatist is just simply untrue.

Of course an idealist can have principles. That's just a fact. Ergo, a principled idealist.

I described him as a self-aggrandising pragmatist who tends towards populism. He is self-aggrandising because he places personal ambition above ethics as is evident by his career in and out of politics. He's a pragmatist because he places ambition above ideals, loyalty and principle. His recent volte face on Chequers being a prime example. If you need proof that he tends towards populism then you should read some of his articles.

judeboy101

Hurrache wrote: »

The public will have no choice in what to accept, good or bad.

Irish politicians are elected, if it is perceived that we have "sold out" then a certain % will shift their allegiance from ff/fg/lb to more "extreme" parties or indos, thus depriving Leo et al of comfy majorities.

Hurrache

You're trying to see reasons that just aren't there.

Kermit.de.frog

From tonight's dinner

MAY: TOLD LEADERS EXTENDING BREXIT TALKS IS NOT AN OPTION

MAY: TOLD LEADERS N. IRELAND CAN'T HAVE SEPARATE CUSTOMS REGIME

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-northern-ireland-irish-border-backstop-customs-regulatory-checks-theresa-may-salzburg-a8545701.html#comments


Theresa May to accept checks between Northern Ireland and Great Britain in major concession to avoid Brexit no-deal

oscarBravo

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

From tonight's dinner

MAY: TOLD LEADERS EXTENDING BREXIT TALKS IS NOT AN OPTION

MAY: TOLD LEADERS N. IRELAND CAN'T HAVE SEPARATE CUSTOMS REGIME

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-northern-ireland-irish-border-backstop-customs-regulatory-checks-theresa-may-salzburg-a8545701.html#comments


Theresa May to accept checks between Northern Ireland and Great Britain in major concession to avoid Brexit no-deal

I am confuse.

Trasna1

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-northern-ireland-irish-border-backstop-customs-regulatory-checks-theresa-may-salzburg-a8545701.html#comments


Theresa May to accept checks between Northern Ireland and Great Britain in major concession to avoid Brexit no-deal

Hard to square your two posts unless the whole UK is going to stay in the Customs union and only NI in the single market.

Hurrache

Sky News pushing the theme that May is getting a warmer welcome at the summit because of pressure such as the letter from the airports and because Europe is itself not ready.

Daily Express is still going with the line asking how would European leaders feel if their country was split and that May will walk if no deal within 2 months.

Trasna1

Listening to BBC news tonight, I have to say Katia Adler's reporting had been poor again. She seems to present the negotiation as being between equals - stating things like, and I paraphrase here "the EU wants to do a deal to avoid damage to their economy".

She never acknowledges the disparity in the scale of the potential damage to the economies the parties, and that while the EU would like to do a deal, it is the UK that is desperate for one.

Personally I think it's misleading, and spinning the truth.

Kermit.de.frog

Trasna1 wrote: »

Hard to square your two posts unless the whole UK is going to stay in the Customs union and only NI in the single market.

Strong and stable.


It's on the front of the Independent.

ArmaniJeanss

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't Chequers dead anyway? Even if the EU were to agree to it, the Brexiteers, Labour and the Lib Dems will vote it down.

The theory is that the Brexiteers would ultimately accept Chequers it if the alternative was a second vote (of any kind). They could then spend the next x years chipping away at it but the most important thing to them is some kind of exit deal rather than a re-vote that could potentially lead to Brexit being endangered.
With their votes and the 4/5 consistent Labour brexiteers who ignore the whip (Field, Hoey etc) then they get it through parliament.

hotmail.com

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

Theresa May to accept checks between Northern Ireland and Great Britain in major concession to avoid Brexit no-deal

Northern Ireland about to be sold out again it seems by London.

Obviously the DUP will oppose this if it's true.

road_high

Seems like the Irish Sea border check has always been bubbling away in the background and despite the DUP hysterics. To anyone of common sense it’s the obvious solution.
London will rightly sell NI down the swanny as the UK has nothing to gain by installing a hugely expensive border the English would have to pay for. High time NI grew up as an entity

road_high

There’s precident for this already in Spain between the mainland and the Canaries.

Water John

There are regularity checks between NI and the UK already for agri goods. Better tell Nigel Dodds his party founder had agreed to it.

Charles Babbage

hotmail.com wrote: »

Northern Ireland about to be sold out again it seems by London.

Obviously the DUP will oppose this if it's true.

Since Northern Ireland wants to remain in the Single Market, the selling out arises from GB leaving it.