Brexit discussion thread IV

Strazdas

badtoro wrote: »

Genuine question, how do you figure it'll breach the referendum result? I might be missing or forgetting something but did they not just vote to "leave the European Union" on the ballot? Wouldn't a crash out satisfy that, in the Brexit means Brexit vein?

I'm assuming that the vote to leave was intended to be done in a very orderly fashion and strictly by the book ie. the UK triggers A50, spends two years preparing the exit, signs off on an amicable deal with the EU etc. At no point was it said by Cameron or anyone else that the UK would be crashing out of everything with not even a deal in place and on hostile terms with the EU. Is that what the public voted for when they put their X on the ballot paper?

devnull

Don't worry, they're already getting their revenge and punishment stories ready in the press

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1020058456194154496

Just as dishonest as the politicians they support.

Headshot

Good old sun, the beacon of knowledge and insight......

An Ciarraioch

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The EU negotiation team should suspend all talks at this stage.

The negotiations only proceeded on the basis that the backstop was agreed between the UK and EU. The UK Government is now saying they never agreed to it. What a farce.

The hard Brexiteers want to kick the can down the road until it is too late to reach an agreement. They know it is their only way of achieving a hard Brexit.

The Tánaiste, after tonight's development:

https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1020063853260963840

Spanish Eyes

devnull wrote: »

Don't worry, they're already getting their revenge and punishment stories ready in the press

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1020058456194154496

Just as dishonest as the politicians they support.

Sadly the Sun readers will just accept what they are told. And other MSM are not without fault either.

The BBC for example have been very bad in their reporting of this critical issue for the populace. But they perhaps know where their funding is coming from.

That is why I am opposed to a TV license here too. Too much ass licking to vested interests going on for fear it might be revoked.

Imreoir2

Leroy42 wrote: »

Surely the talks must be suspended at this stage. They allowed Phase 1 to move to Phase 2 on the basis of the December agreement, and it appears that May is about to blow that agreement out of the water. So at the very least we must return to Phase 1.

I know that being pragmatic is the right approach, but sometimes you simply need to accept that the other side really have no intention of negotiating in any meaningful way and cut your losses.

At this stage, I wouldn't value any deal that would be agreed to anyway. Even if TM manages to deliver it, the chance of it lasting any length of time is almost zero.

Maybe its time for the EU to go for the nuclear option. Take the gloves off and let the markets and industry realise that hard brexit is a real probability. As said in other posts, it would appear that that is the only chance left to get the UK to see some sense (although I have my doubts it would work)

I agree, and have said as much myself. But I think the way the EU seem to want to play this might actually be better. Say very little other than to remind everyone that the EU position remains the same and drip feed warnings of a no-deal Brexit. That way the pressure just builds and builds on the UK.

Suspending talks now, while justified, would be mana from heaven for Mogg and his ilk, they could then easily blame the collapse in talks on the EU. The UK has much more to lose here than the EU does. Let them be in the spotlight. Let them come up with a solution, or crash. There will be plenty of time to pick up the peices if they do fall off the cliff.

Sierra Oscar

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

The Tánaiste, after tonight's development:

https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1020063853260963840

Another comment by Coveney now too.

https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1020071289409744896

McGiver

My colleague, who never talks politics, summed the Brexit situation perfectly: "You can't negotiate with a fog". Absolutely loved it

Btw where's Raab gone? Going to negotiate finally or doing a Brussels pub crawl?

And Mr Fox has spoken, trying to play a hardball. Right, so if I understand it correctly he threatens that if the EU don't fold the EU will lose $250 billion (according to the IMF) while the UK will lose $282 billion. Smart, he's just forgotten the EU are 27 but UK is 1. A small detail.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the-ball-is-in-your-court-liam-fox-bizarrely-threatens-eu-with-no-deal-brexit-1-5612621

badtoro

Strazdas wrote: »

I'm assuming that the vote to leave was intended to be done in a very orderly fashion and strictly by the book ie. the UK triggers A50, spends two years preparing the exit, signs off on an amicable deal with the EU etc. At no point was it said by Cameron or anyone else that the UK would be crashing out of everything with not even a deal in place and on hostile terms with the EU. Is that what the public voted for when they put their X on the ballot paper?

Thing is, any image I've seen of the ballot gives only 2 options, stay an EU member, or leave the EU. As I say I might be missing something else but if that is all they voted on then Brexit could really mean Brexit.

trellheim

Barnier can only go with whats in front of him. So far its a white paper thats already messed up and its not negotiating guidelines either

Phoebas

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Their constituents voted for them on the basis of abstentionism; to go against that is to go against their constituents.

This idea needs to be put to bed.

No it doesn't.

This is Sinn Fein 'Cakeism'.
They have an opportunity at an historically important juncture for Northern Ireland to actually make a difference, and they are refusing to step up.

Simply asserting that their people voted for them on the basis of absentionism is shortsighted. We all know that if they decided to use their power on Brexit votes, the same people who defend their policy on absentionism would laud their principled stand on Brexit.

LeinsterDub

trellheim wrote: »

Barnier can only go with whats in front of him. So far its a white paper thats already messed up and its not negotiating guidelines either

Which terrible translation of the out of date white paper are you basing this one?

*sigh* I honestly despair

blanch152

Phoebas wrote: »

No it doesn't.

This is Sinn Fein 'Cakeism'.
They have an opportunity at an historically important juncture for Northern Ireland to actually make a difference, and they are refusing to step up.

Simply asserting that their people voted for them on the basis of absentionism is shortsighted. We all know that if they decided to use their power on Brexit votes, the same people who defend their policy on absentionism would laud their principled stand on Brexit.

The people who voted for Sinn Fein also voted to stay in the EU.

Sinn Fein have a choice. Principles or Real Life.

That they are choosing abstract silly principles over the practical implications for the ordinary people of Northern Ireland says an awful lot about Sinn Fein.

FrancieBrady

Phoebas wrote: »

No it doesn't.

This is Sinn Fein 'Cakeism'.
They have an opportunity at an historically important juncture for Northern Ireland to actually make a difference, and they are refusing to step up.

Simply asserting that their people voted for them on the basis of absentionism is shortsighted. We all know that if they decided to use their power on Brexit votes, the same people who defend their policy on absentionism would laud their principled stand on Brexit.

'historically important juncture' for everyone.

We up here had many 'historically important juncture's and there wasn't a word about SF abstentionism to be honest.

Why don't FG actively pursue a UI, that would solve almost everything for us would it not?

Enzokk

Don't know if this has been posted before.

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1020000084287803393

BonnieSituation

Phoebas wrote: »

No it doesn't.

This is Sinn Fein 'Cakeism'.

What? They did and continue to do what they said they woudl do, not take their seats in Westminster? Sounds unicorny alright. :rolleyes:

They have an opportunity at an historically important juncture for Northern Ireland to actually make a difference

,

What difference will they make? Galvanise GB politicians to the other side? Make a mockery of 100 years of their politics and stances?

and they are refusing to step up.

It's not SF that voted for Brexit. It's not SF's job to help out Britain.

Even on a basic level when strip out everything else that makes them taking their seats a non-runner, you have SF's stated main goal as a UI. Brexit potentially brings that closer. Why interfere when the Brits are making a balls of it?

Simply asserting that their people voted for them on the basis of absentionism is shortsighted.

How is it shortsighted? They have had this policy for 100 years. Their constituents WANT this.

We all know that if they decided to use their power on Brexit votes... that their mere presence would galvanise other mainland politicians to be "opposite them" in the lobbies.

[MY EMPHASIS]

the same people who defend their policy on absentionism would laud their principled stand on Brexit.

Who are these people? I'm an avowed mostly Blueshirt of a FitzGerald hue and I completely back their abstentionism. If they backed out of it I would castigate them as would their political rivals as a weakness and to what end?

Also what votes were they exactly going to turn and how is it advantageious for their constituents to do so?

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Below is the scenario that you wish to play out... how can you be serious?


Sinn Féin: Hi I'm SF. I would like your vote but once you know that I will not take my seat in Westminster as part of a long standing abstentionist platform.

Constituent of SF: Okay SF, I will give you my vote on that basis.

Sinn Féin: Hi I'm SF. I am going to take my seat in Westminster. Pledging allegiance to the Crown which makes no sense as a republican and risk rupturing and toxifying my party in the eyes of my own community that have supported me on the basis that I would NOT take my seat and as a result I lied to my constituents. However I only did it to soften Brexit and to save Britain from making an egregious error that only MYSELF and my other 6 fellow SF MPs can seemingly help with. for some reason. 6 Soz.

Constituent of SF: Da Fuq?

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blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'historically important juncture' for everyone.

We up here had many 'historically important juncture's and there wasn't a word about SF abstentionism to be honest.

Why don't FG actively pursue a UI, that would solve almost everything for us would it not?

How would it? A majority of people in Northern Ireland still favour a union with Britain.

Would you expect FG to lead an invasion? What sort of fantastical situation are you envisaging?

BonnieSituation

Enzokk wrote: »

Don't know if this has been posted before.

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1020000084287803393

It was all about yesterday but worth seeing again. She's useless.

Capt'n Midnight

Brussels must be told that the prime minister's blueprint for future UK-EU relations is "the final offer", Commons leader Andrea Leadsom has said.

The UK is hoping the EU will back the proposals so an exit deal can be struck by the autumn, ahead of the UK's official departure from the EU in March.

And for the Nth time denial is a river in Egypt.

EU has always said no cherry picking, four freedoms are indivisible.

The UK can stay in , or pick any one of these deals, maybe with a little ++
But anything more would mean yielding to those who already meet the same EU terms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements

Politics is the art of the possible. Giving in to the UK isn't possible because of the long term consequences to other EU trade deals, and EU internal relations.





BTW EU now has a data deal with Japan.
The UK still needs that deal. It's important given 80% of their economy is service based.
https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/eu-data-transfer-japan

The EU bloc has famously strict data protection laws that forbid firms from storing the personal data of EU citizens on international servers unless a high level of privacy can be guaranteed by the foreign company.

Only 12 countries have an adequate level of privacy. These are: Andorra, Argentina, Canada, Faroe Islands, Guernsey, Israel, Isle of Man, Jersey, New Zealand, Switzerland, Uruguay and the US. Firms in other locations need to rely on complicated legal contracts.

BonnieSituation

blanch152 wrote: »

The people who voted for Sinn Fein also voted to stay in the EU.

Sinn Fein have a choice. Principles or Real Life.

That they are choosing abstract silly principles over the practical implications for the ordinary people of Northern Ireland says an awful lot about Sinn Fein.

Ah blanch come off it. That's twaddle

BonnieSituation

blanch152 wrote: »

How would it? A majority of people in Northern Ireland still favour a union with Britain.

Would you expect FG to lead an invasion? What sort of fantastical situation are you envisaging?

I think by active he means you know, prepare for it and start to fly those kites.

I dunno, like Enda did...

The Irish Times wrote:

Enda Kenny welcomes EU’s united Ireland agreement

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/enda-kenny-welcomes-eu-s-united-ireland-agreement-1.3066687

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

What sort of fantastical situation are you envisaging?

An Irish government for once proactively looking to end an ongoing problem?

Phoebas

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I dunno, like Enda did...

So, if I'm to understand correctly, you're calling on FG to do what they've done?

Phoebas

FrancieBrady wrote: »

An Irish government for once proactively looking to end an ongoing problem?

How in the world can you with a straight face call on the Irish Government to act proactively while at the same time defending your own party's policy of sitting on their hands.

Imreoir2

https://twitter.com/CStalfordMLA/status/1019672905662246918

The DUP is threathning to cut off our gas supply from the UK over Leo's airspace comments. Unfortunatly for them, we don't get gas from the UK, we supply the UK through those pipes.

Capt'n Midnight

McGiver wrote: »

And Mr Fox has spoken, trying to play a hardball. Right, so if I understand it correctly he threatens that if the EU don't fold the EU will lose $250 billion (according to the IMF) while the UK will lose $282 billion. Smart, he's just forgotten the EU are 27 but UK is 1. A small detail.

Mr Fox.
Fantastic Mr Fox*.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44884830

Ireland's economy could suffer a 4% hit if the UK and the EU fail to reach a deal following Brexit, the International Monetary Fund has said.
...
The IMF's 4% figure is substantially lower than claims by Dr Liam Fox, the international trade secretary, who said yesterday that Ireland's economy could suffer by up to 8% if the EU did not agree a deal with Britain.

Getting your figures wrong by half ?

That 4% needs to be seen in comparison with how our economy is doing. It would be a very large speed bump.
Economic growth for 2017 revised down to 7.2% from 7.8%





Meanwhile in the UK Poundland has gone

Maplin and Toys R Us have both gone into administration.

Other High Street names, including Marks & Spencer, House of Fraser, Carphone Warehouse, New Look and Carpetright, have announced significant store closures.

*Dr Fox

FrancieBrady

Phoebas wrote: »

How in the world can you with a straight face call on the Irish Government to act proactively while at the same time defending your own party's policy of sitting on their hands.

I don't have a party.
And SF have always 'sat on their hands' as you put it but have achieved enough to be the biggest party in the north and are doing alright here.

They are not going to interfere in the running of the UK and then complain about the UK interfering here. If you don't get that, it isn't SF's fault, it has been explained for decades at this stage.

Enzokk

If someone had told SF that if they were to take up their seats in Westminster that in a years time they would be able to help their position on Brexit, I am sure they would have taken it. Seeing as no-one can read the future you cannot apportion too much blame on them in the recent votes, but you have to acknowledge that they could have made a huge difference to the UK position.

As it stands we are seemingly at a crossroads. The UK prime minister cannot articulate how she will square a circle, but she wants us to trust her and hand her the keys to drive the car towards the cliff. Her position has been strengthened by the support of the DUP and the ERG. They will keep her in power and she will do their bidding. I think the news that one more letter has been sent to the 1922 committee is a clear warning to Theresa May. We have your future in our hands if you don't do what we want. On the other side there aren't enough "rebels" to force a vote on her leadership so hard Brexit it is.

Buckle up, its may just get bumpy for a while. Then again imagine knowing there are turbulent times ahead but knowing your economy shrunk in the first quarter this year. It would take some kind of politicians to vote for more pain in that situation.

lawred2

Imreoir2 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CStalfordMLA/status/1019672905662246918

The DUP is threathning to cut off our gas supply from the UK over Leo's airspace comments. Unfortunatly for them, we don't get gas from the UK, we supply the UK through those pipes.

I presume that has that been pointed out?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

An Irish government for once proactively looking to end an ongoing problem?

Proactively suppress the majority of people in Northern Ireland? Is that what you mean?

If you expect an Irish government to copy what the Provos did with the connivance of Sinn Fein, then you are seriously misguided. We have signed a Treaty that says it is a matter for the people of Northern Ireland to decide their future. Why should we break that Treaty and interfere in their domestic politics?

Dyr

What Leo should do is hop in a ministerial merc with Simon tomorrow morning and zip up to Belfast then give a press conference up there around the same time as Theresa. Perhaps find someone up there who's still in the SDLP to give him a tour of the Malone Road. Suggest that Rialtas Na hEireann might have a cabinet meeting in Derry or Newry in the near future

Put some egg on Theresa Mays face over the non-border she wants to enforce.

Dyr

Imreoir2 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CStalfordMLA/status/1019672905662246918

The DUP is threathning to cut off our gas supply from the UK over Leo's airspace comments. Unfortunatly for them, we don't get gas from the UK, we supply the UK through those pipes.

They'll be looking for the gas valve with torches when we cut off their electricity.

Imreoir2

Bambi wrote: »

They'll be looking for the gas valve with torches when we cut off their electricity.

Don't give them ideas, please!

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Proactively suppress the majority of people in Northern Ireland? Is that what you mean?

If you expect an Irish government to copy what the Provos did with the connivance of Sinn Fein, then you are seriously misguided. We have signed a Treaty that says it is a matter for the people of Northern Ireland to decide their future. Why should we break that Treaty and interfere in their domestic politics?

Leo should be demanding that the people of northern Ireland now get the chance to decide their future. Without doffing his hat to anyone.

EdgeCase

Imreoir2 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CStalfordMLA/status/1019672905662246918

The DUP is threathning to cut off our gas supply from the UK over Leo's airspace comments. Unfortunatly for them, we don't get gas from the UK, we supply the UK through those pipes.

It ignores the following facts:

1. Ireland has its own gas supplies from Corrib which could be used exclusively in any emergency situation.
2. The UK gets most of its gas from other countries these days, via pipelines which pass through the EU and EEA.
3. If the UK were to cut an EU member's gas supplies off, or play around with energy it would face SEVERE trade sanctions and would be considered some kind of international pariah like Russia. Is that the route they want to go?
4. The UK is a net importer of French electricity, I'm sure they would be fine with rolling power cuts?
5. The DUP would want to take note that Northern Ireland is heavily dependent on electricity supplies from the Republic and that NIE is a wholly owned subsidiary of ESB which is an Irish state owned company. Not that we would be so petty or ridiculous, but it just shows the interconnectedness of the whole thing.

Phoebas

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't have a party.
And SF have always 'sat on their hands' as you put it but have achieved enough to be the biggest party in the north and are doing alright here.

They are not going to interfere in the running of the UK and then complain about the UK interfering here. If you don't get that, it isn't SF's fault, it has been explained for decades at this stage.

It's true that SF are doing ok for themselves, in the sense that they have loads of seats - both in a mothballed Stormont and in a Westminster that they refuse to participate in. That's great for them.

And it's great for them to be able to resist 'interfering' in the running the UK - even though NI is part of the UK.

They can choose to deny their reality (and their staunchest defenders can even choose to deny their party affiliation), but as they do this their criticisms of actual participants sound a bit hollow.

lawred2

lawred2 wrote: »

I presume that has that been pointed out?

Some good reading in that thread

Nate--IRL--

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Leo should be demanding that the people of northern Ireland now get the chance to decide their future. Without doffing his hat to anyone.

Too soon in my opinion, it'll take a while after the effects of Brexit kick in to maximise the potential of any such call.

Nate

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Leo should be demanding that the people of northern Ireland now get the chance to decide their future. Without doffing his hat to anyone.

Why? Ireland has signed up to the GFA. The GFA sets out clear conditions for the holding of a referendum. Those conditions have not been met. Anyone calling for a referendum now is calling for a breach of the GFA.

No Irish government would be stupid enough to call for a breach of the GFA.

Trasna1

Enzokk wrote: »

If someone had told SF that if they were to take up their seats in Westminster that in a years time they would be able to help their position on Brexit, I am sure they would have taken it. Seeing as no-one can read the future you cannot apportion too much blame on them in the recent votes, but you have to acknowledge that they could have made a huge difference to the UK position.

As it stands we are seemingly at a crossroads. The UK prime minister cannot articulate how she will square a circle, but she wants us to trust her and hand her the keys to drive the car towards the cliff. Her position has been strengthened by the support of the DUP and the ERG. They will keep her in power and she will do their bidding. I think the news that one more letter has been sent to the 1922 committee is a clear warning to Theresa May. We have your future in our hands if you don't do what we want. On the other side there aren't enough "rebels" to force a vote on her leadership so hard Brexit it is.

Buckle up, its may just get bumpy for a while. Then again imagine knowing there are turbulent times ahead but knowing your economy shrunk in the first quarter this year. It would take some kind of politicians to vote for more pain in that situation.

I don't really think that it would have made much difference if they took their seats. Every bit of problematic legislation voted through can be overturned when the final withdrawal treaty is voted on.

The only place SF could make a difference is that if they voted in a confidence motion to collapse the government. That would be very risky for them as they would precipitate an election immediately after abandoning a core principle.

backspin.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Sadly the Sun readers will just accept what they are told. And other MSM are not without fault either.

Similar article in the dailymail about Leo 'threatening' to stop UK planes. 5000 comments so far and majority of them ripping into Ireland and the Irish.

blanch152

Bambi wrote: »

What Leo should do is hop in a ministerial merc with Simon tomorrow morning and zip up to Belfast then give a press conference up there around the same time as Theresa. Perhaps find someone up there who's still in the SDLP to give him a tour of the Malone Road. Suggest that Rialtas Na hEireann might have a cabinet meeting in Derry or Newry in the near future

Put some egg on Theresa Mays face over the non-border she wants to enforce.

Another one who wants to throw the GFA in the bin. Seriously lads, we have legal commitments enshrined in the GFA that we must stick to.

blanch152

Trasna1 wrote: »

I don't really think that it would have made much difference if they took their seats. Every bit of problematic legislation voted through can be overturned when the final withdrawal treaty is voted on.

The only place SF could make a difference is that if they voted in a confidence motion to collapse the government. That would be very risky for them as they would precipitate an election immediately after abandoning a core principle.

Yeah, really risky that, putting the welfare of the people before their core principles. Well, we know where they stand then and who they are like.

The UK in the 1840s had core principles that they didn't do food handouts. Millions starved in Ireland as a result. Yup, core principles are the most important thing to follow.

Infini

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Don't give them ideas, please!

Yeah we dont wanna see mass Darwin award's when they find that valve! C_C

blanch152 wrote: »

Another one who wants to throw the GFA in the bin. Seriously lads, we have legal commitments enshrined in the GFA that we must stick to.

The problem here though is we have a situation that was not wanted by the majority of the people of NI, an incompetent and impotent UK government controlled by headbanger idiot's who are determined to wreck their own country and who give no regard to NI because it doesnt suit them and the only one's from NI are the DUP who are blatantly compounding the situation by not only supporting a position (Brexit) that reactivated the Irish Question that was frozen in stasis but refusing the ONLY reasonable offer that was made by the EU/Irish side on having custom's checks at the port and airports where it would be manageble and not affect NI business. This is a situation in the event of a crashout brexit that could leave an unstable state of affair's on OUR doorstep that we didnt want in the first place.

If anything should a crashout brexit occur we should be hammering for a Border Poll and making it clear were not looking for the 6 counties back because it's simply part of the Island of Ireland but because we can offer those people an OUT to the failures of the UK goverment who happily abandoned them and their wellbeing because it didn't suit their agenda to begin with. Money talk's big and those in the unionist community who arent headbangers like the DUP will seriously consider the UI option when given the choice between a London Government that didnt give a toss about them and drove their local economy into a recession/depression needlessly and a far more stable Dublin Government who will actually listen to them and who will have much more influence provided they can elect decent people who will actually do a proper job representing their interest's and not headbangers like the DUP who contributed to this mess to begin with.

I honestly have to think though if the NI economy tanks will the DUP actually be punished at the ballot box though since it's their party that pursued such a reckless and stupid policy to begin with.

FrancieBrady

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

Too soon in my opinion, it'll take a while after the effects of Brexit kick in to maximise the potential of any such call.

Nate

blanch152 wrote: »

Why? Ireland has signed up to the GFA. The GFA sets out clear conditions for the holding of a referendum. Those conditions have not been met. Anyone calling for a referendum now is calling for a breach of the GFA.

No Irish government would be stupid enough to call for a breach of the GFA.

Extenuating circumstances. If you genuinely care about northern Ireland then you now need a plebiscite on what the people want.

Imreoir2

blanch152 wrote: »

Another one who wants to throw the GFA in the bin. Seriously lads, we have legal commitments enshrined in the GFA that we must stick to.

Sorry, this is getting silly at this stage. Where in the GFA are Irish polititans banned from crossing the border?

Phoebas

Bambi wrote: »

Put some egg on Theresa Mays face over the non-border she wants to enforce.

I'm struggling to see any political advantage whatsoever in putting 'egg on Theresa May's face'.

BonnieSituation

Phoebas wrote: »

So, if I'm to understand correctly, you're calling on FG to do what they've done?

I'm calling on nobody to do anything. I'm pointing out to Francie that this FG government have actually been relatively proactive re the north and brexit. It didn't just start with Leo and Simon.

Was there something wrong with my rebuttal of your first foray into this morass?

BonnieSituation

Imreoir2 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CStalfordMLA/status/1019672905662246918

The DUP is threathning to cut off our gas supply from the UK over Leo's airspace comments. Unfortunatly for them, we don't get gas from the UK, we supply the UK through those pipes.

If he wants to go down that road we can always remind him about who owns NIE.

Cookie_Monster

prawnsambo wrote: »

I'd say a lot of people don't know that. Spread the word I'd say.

It's an interesting one alright, have just fired off an email to ACCA to see what they say about it.