Brexit discussion thread IV

trellheim · 17-07-2018 8:17pm

that headbanger Hoey

Remember, she's Irish !

Water John · 17-07-2018 8:21pm

There is a certain type of Irish person who goes all out to be more British than the British themselves.

Spanish Eyes · 17-07-2018 8:21pm

Back to the Japan/EU trade deal announced today.

Just wondering..... is there any possibility Japan and post Brexit UK would cut a deal very quickly based on a cut and paste of today's deal with the EU? It might not take five years, but would they, could they do it do you think.

Water John · 17-07-2018 8:23pm

Not a chance. Doing trade deals doesn't work like that. That would be viewed by the EU as a stab in the back by Japan. Why would Japan facilitate the UK over the honourable agreement they have just reached.

strandroad · 17-07-2018 8:27pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Back to the Japan/EU trade deal announced today.

Just wondering..... is there any possibility Japan and post Brexit UK would cut a deal very quickly based on a cut and paste of today's deal with the EU? It might not take five years, but would they, could they do it do you think.

Why would Japan want to offer the same deal to a partner who is so much smaller and weaker than EU? What's their gain in the bargain?

Dyr · 17-07-2018 8:28pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Back to the Japan/EU trade deal announced today.

Just wondering..... is there any possibility Japan and post Brexit UK would cut a deal very quickly based on a cut and paste of today's deal with the EU? It might not take five years, but would they, could they do it do you think.

They could but why would they negotiate the same deal with the UK? it would be like a supplier giving Mrs Murrays Cornershop the same discount they just agreed with Aldi.

trellheim · 17-07-2018 8:29pm

why would they negotiate the same deal with the UK? it would be like a supplier giving Mrs Murrays Cornershop the same discount they just agreed with Aldi.

How does the L'Oreal ad go again ?

VinLieger · 17-07-2018 8:29pm

trellheim wrote: »

Remember, she's Irish !

Shes a disgrace, she actually went down the trump path and said ROI should be made pay for a wall on the border

trellheim · 17-07-2018 8:31pm

Jo Swinson's on a pairing ( she's pregnant ( sorry wrong she had the baby on Jul 1 ) and her pair voted !

talk about underhanded

https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/1019298949344219137 fk sake

Anthracite · 17-07-2018 8:31pm

ambro25 wrote: »

Fair and good point...but how do they eat in the meantime?

That’s the crux of the matter: managed (agreement-based) versus unmanaged (crash out) exit.

The first allows the socio-economic transition you mention (well, on paper at least, since they haven’t quite managed to turn yesterday’s miners into much of anything).

The second results in caviar for Mogglidytes and soylent green for everyone else.

I appreciate your good manners, but you are right - it is a rather silly argument that ignores the fact that unskilled people with poor educational backgrounds are unlikely to have the ability to retrain to become cutting-edge knowledge economy workers. It didn't happen when they closed the mines, it didn't happen when they closed the shipyards, and it's not going to happen now.

Imreoir2 · 17-07-2018 8:33pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Realistically, what can Remainers do now that the only solutions to the Irish border issue is blocked?
How do they overturn that?

Grow a bloody backbone. Most of them seem too afraid of losing their seats if they collapse the government over Brexit.
The tory remainers have been bluffing and their bluff has been called by the brexiteers.

VinLieger · 17-07-2018 8:34pm

trellheim wrote: »

Jo Swinson's on a pairing ( she's pregnant ) and her pair voted !

talk about underhanded

https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/1019298949344219137 fk sake

Thats a fvcking disgrace

devnull · 17-07-2018 8:35pm

trellheim wrote: »

Jo Swinson's on a pairing ( she's pregnant ) and her pair voted !

talk about underhanded

https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/1019298949344219137 fk sake

There's nothing that some of them wouldn't do at this stage to get their own way. The lines between what is allowed and what isn't haven't been blurred, they've totally been removed.

Just have to look at this and all the stuff that happened with Vote Leave and everything else so at the end of the day there really isn't a surprise, rules don't matter anymore and the end justifies the means.

Not exactly the bunch of politicians with the highest level of integrity to ever grace Westminster is it?

trellheim · 17-07-2018 8:37pm

There's nothing that some of them wouldn't do at this stage to get their own way. The lines between what is allowed and what isn't haven't been blurred, they've totally been removed.

Not exactly the bunch of politicians with the highest level of integrity to ever grace Westminster is it?

Her pair, Brandon Lewis is the Conservative Party Chair so you need look no further for the ethics policy

devnull · 17-07-2018 8:38pm

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Grow a bloody backbone. Most of them seem too afraid of losing their seats if they collapse the government over Brexit.
The tory remainers have been bluffing and their bluff has been called by the brexiteers.

Problem is that at the end of the day the Brexiteers will make threats and follow through on them, but honestly with remainers they talk the talk but they don't walk the walk when push comes to shove.

Spanish Eyes · 17-07-2018 8:38pm

strandroad wrote: »

Why would Japan want to offer the same deal to a partner who is so much smaller and weaker than EU? What's their gain in the bargain?

They make a lot of Japanese cars in the UK....

A tariff free agreement could be great for a post Brexit UK.

Look, I don't know, but I was just pondering on it.

Imreoir2 · 17-07-2018 8:38pm

trellheim wrote: »

Remember, she's Irish !

Being Irish, glorious though it might be, does not preclude one from being a headbanger.

devnull · 17-07-2018 8:40pm

List of all the rebels from tonight

https://twitter.com/TomBoadle/status/1019283138785275907

17-07-2018 8:47pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Back to the Japan/EU trade deal announced today.

Just wondering..... is there any possibility Japan and post Brexit UK would cut a deal very quickly based on a cut and paste of today's deal with the EU? It might not take five years, but would they, could they do it do you think.

I can see the benefits to the UK of that but what would be the benefits to Japan?
What they conceded for a market of 450/500 million people three or four times the size of their own wouldn't be the same for a market half their size.

lawred2 · 17-07-2018 8:47pm

trellheim wrote: »

Jo Swinson's on a pairing ( she's pregnant ( sorry wrong she had the baby on Jul 1 ) and her pair voted !

talk about underhanded

https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/1019298949344219137 fk sake

Unreal.

trellheim · 17-07-2018 8:49pm

Sam Coates just tweeted to Laura K saying Brandon Lewis voted by mistake.. and has just pulled the tweet ...

Taytoland · 17-07-2018 8:51pm

trellheim wrote: »

Sam Coates just tweeted to Laura K saying Brandon Lewis voted by mistake.. and has just pulled the tweet ...

Good man:D

trellheim · 17-07-2018 8:52pm

I have a screen grab

brickster69 · 17-07-2018 8:52pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Back to the Japan/EU trade deal announced today.

Just wondering..... is there any possibility Japan and post Brexit UK would cut a deal very quickly based on a cut and paste of today's deal with the EU? It might not take five years, but would they, could they do it do you think.

I can see the benefits to the UK of that but what would be the benefits to Japan?
What they conceded for a market of 450/500 million people three or four times the size of their own wouldn't be the same for a market half their size.

Probably because half of those people cannot purchase a second hand bicycle never mind a new Honda.

Water John · 17-07-2018 8:57pm

Those 12 Rebels would make up a good part of a great Cabinet. That's where the talent of the present Tory party find themselves.

Spanish Eyes · 17-07-2018 8:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I can see the benefits to the UK of that but what would be the benefits to Japan?
What they conceded for a market of 450/500 million people three or four times the size of their own wouldn't be the same for a market half their size.

Would be easy to do though wouldn't it? Lots of Japanese car manufacturers in the UK would love it. Easy enough to just tack it on to the UK post Brexit.

I'm looking for an argument against it happening!

VinLieger · 17-07-2018 9:00pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would be easy to do though wouldn't it? Lots of Japanese car manufacturers in the UK would love it. Easy enough to just tack it on to the UK post Brexit.

I'm looking for an argument against it happening!

It wouldn't be easy at all, Japan choosing to implement exactly the same rules for a market 10% the size of the EU would never happen, its simply not how international trade deals work

Nate--IRL-- · 17-07-2018 9:08pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

They make a lot of Japanese cars in the UK....

A tariff free agreement could be great for a post Brexit UK.

Look, I don't know, but I was just pondering on it.

Why? They can simply build the cars in Japan now and sell them in the EU tariff free.

Honda/Nisan/etc. UK will be very expansive to run if a crash out Brexit occurs, in addition to the tariffs for exporting to the EU. Why keep it in the UK at all?

Looks to me like the Japanese got their deal done in the nick of time, possibly a massive boost for Domestic manufacturing for them.

Nate

Leonard Hofstadter · 17-07-2018 9:09pm

Apparently it was an 'honest mistake':rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1019309013039828992

Rhineshark · 17-07-2018 9:12pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would be easy to do though wouldn't it? Lots of Japanese car manufacturers in the UK would love it. Easy enough to just tack it on to the UK post Brexit.

I'm looking for an argument against it happening!

Well, no, it won't work. The Japanese trade deal is about far more than cars. Besides, Japanese car manufacturers are in the UK because it is a good access spot into the EU market. Those firms will not stay if there's a hard Brexit. Hell, they won't even be sticking around if the situation is still an unholy mess by the end of this year.

Although it would be kinda funny if the UK ended up slashing tariffs on a bunch of things that they need to protect in their own country and cut tariffs on a lot if things that the EU produce which is of no use to Britain because they tried to copy-paste it. Also, at some point quotas are going to come up again. Committing themselves to importing a continent's-worth of rice would also be a bit of a popcorn moment when the wild Brexiters twigged it (caveat; I don't know if the deal actually covers quotas, but it was a big issue for the copy-pasting previous EU tradw deals).

And that's even IF Japan took leave of their senses and gave the UK a trade deal with no individual negotiations. Which they won't, because...why?

Brexit discussion thread IV

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