Height means success, nothing else matters

gormdubhgorm

What about this fella a Jimmy White lookalike?

Napoleon:



Or was he the exception to the rule?



Berlusconi, Sarkozy, and Medvedev are just below him as well.

Edit:I just read a post above saying Mr Bonaparte was in fact average height for his time.
But explain the other three to me then?

M.T. Cranium

U.S. presidents have often been state governors at some stage in their careers which means they entered politics as state representatives (the U.S. equivalent of M.P.) -- most of the exceptions were Senators. These lower level politicians have won nominations against other similar people usually lawyers or prominent businessmen. Their slight height advantage probably has more effect on women voters than men. But it is probably a bit of a factor. Canadian prime ministers have not been overly tall men (we had one woman serving out Mulroney's term for a few months). Most of them were rather average and the most celebrated (Pierre Trudeau) was a bit on the shorter side but had charisma with the ladies. (and other things too)

Mozart on the other hand was reportedly about 5 feet tall. Einstein didn't figure out relativity from a particularly high vantage point either.

Some taller people try to play the "you must obey me from down there" card but often it backfires, the ordinary folk can send each other signals undetectable at vast altitudes. When a tall guy tries to place me (average height) in a dominant-submissive role, I make it very clear that he can get stuffed. But there are tall men who get very angry if you don't play along. They have become used to asserting control and feel very uncomfortable if somebody tries to change the leadership paradigm to inherent ability. They have conditioned themselves to believe that as a slightly larger homo sapiens, they have more of everything including brainpower. If this were true, ever in recorded history, I think racial relations would have taken a much different form. This continues to be the case today as Asia becomes increasingly dominant. But there's a certain kind of woman who just melts down if somebody over six feet appears in her presence. I find it rather amusing to watch the sudden reversion to a state of mind that must have dominated before this stage of evolution began.

The reductio ad absurdum of all this is "mile high Jesus," a figure that some evangelical Christians expect to appear in the end times. He will be something to be reckoned with, for sure.

Height for men does matter enormously when it comes to how women and other men view you. I’m 5’6.75 and i am shorter than most men my age or younger who I am friends with, work with, see around etc. The negative consequences of being a short man are painful, real and they’re just a result of human nature.

Table Top Joe

whisky_galore wrote: »

There are some advantages, like not having to fold oneself into a regular airline seat. They've barely changed the size of those in decades.

I would say thats literally the only advantage of being small, its the only time I look at small people with envy.......Im bang on 6ft and about 14 or 15st and I find them ridiculously uncomfortable, I really don't know how guys much taller than me handle it

Other than that being tall is pretty damn great tbh!

Wibbs

Height is affected by a couple of things; genetic potential/ethnic background and diet. You see this with Japanese Americans. Same genetics but taller on average than their cousins in Japan. Another influence is, or rather was moreso in the past; economic class. Go back to say the medieval and feudal Europe and the nobility were generally taller than the peasant class. More high quality and meat based diet and a consistent diet with it. In some ways they literally looked down on them.

gormdubhgorm

Deleted User wrote: »

Height for men does matter enormously when it comes to how women and other men view you. I’m 5’6.75 and i am shorter than most men my age or younger who I am friends with, work with, see around etc. The negative consequences of being a short man are painful, real and they’re just a result of human nature.

I think it is dependent upon the person themselves acting out the perception.
If a person is not bothered about it and acts with an air of confidence.
Then the perception can change.

Examples in the acting world Danny Devito and Michael J Fox.

In fact thier height actually helped thier careers.







On a practical level it is easier sleeping when you are less then average height.
Toes are not sticking out the end of the bed for a start, no need to arch.
Also more comfortable for long journeys in the car.
More leg room on public transport etc.

However, there are a number of things that amuse me about some segments of societies attitude to height.
Some women would not date a man below a certain height dating sites etc (regardless of any other mental or physical attributes).
But seems to becoming taboo to use the word 'fat' so some women describe themselves as BBW or big girl.

Strange dichotomy.

Although I do understand some women feeling more protected by a taller man.
But, it does not explain why Nicole Kidman married Tom Cruise.



Or why Caroline Wozniacki wanted to marry Rory Mcllroy.

In the latter case, it was interesting when Rory dumped her, only then was his height used in negative connotations.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2697112/Caroline-Wozniacki-takes-dig-Rory-McIlroy-wearing-high-heels-Istanbul-shopping-trip.html

As for other men commenting on each other:
if you are fat you get called a 'fat bastard',
if you are short then average height 'short @rse'
if you are bald 'baldy conscience'

There is no problem with it unless the man is extremely insecure and thin skinned.

So to me, it is all about how the individual perceives themselves, rather then how others perceive the individual.
The former has a lot of say on the latter.

Donald Trump

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

There is no problem with it unless the man is extremely insecure and thin skinned.

So to me it is all about how the individual perceives themselves rather then how others perceive the individual.
The former has a lot of say on the latter.

Well it does, or should not, affect how you deal with your opportunities that arise.


I had a conversation about this with a female friend of mine who was convinced that height made no difference in a male.


Then I asked her if while using dating sites or tinder, she would swipe on a fella the same height or shorter than her and she went quiet and then admitted "no". She admitted that she filtered on age and height when using her dating sites.


So it does limit the opportunities you might get. (although something is a negative limiter for everyone but height is a particularly common filter for females when choosing whether or not it's worth talking to someone)

Table Top Joe

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Although I do understand some women feeling more protected by a taller man.
But, it does not explain why Nicole Kidman married Tom Cruise.



Or why Caroline Wozniacki wanted to marry Rory Mcllroy.

In the latter case, it was interesting when Rory dumped her, only then was his height used in negative connotations.

Yes, its truly mystifying why a woman would want to marry a man who's arguably the most successful in his field on the planet and worth millions to boot....

Conservatory

I see this angry -women won’t date me because I’m shorter than them- jive a lot here.

My take on it is women want to feel small and dainty and not big and awkward. When they are rolling around with a man half their size they feel big and awkward.
Men like to feel dainty women so normally they won’t want to be with a girl who has ankles bigger than the men’s waist.

This of course has the few people who are into stuff like big girls or feet or what have ye but generally girls arnt just picking a height out of the blue and saying there’s the limit. Somewhere subliminally or not they have reasons.

Of course if they meet a personality like Tom cruise that owns a room and carries himself with the confidence of the big man she can forget that she could probably fit him in her handbag it’s human nature.

There’s either a lot of angry men on boards or the one fella keeps coming back. Girls arnt some bit of computer code bot. They are funnily enough like men but with different hormones and body parts. Some like some stuff others like other stuff some are murderers and some are angels. Some will go with a man to get some of his money and some will go with a man because she admires how good he is at making money some will go with a man because he makes her feel good by not worrying about being poor and some couldn’t give a ****e about money.

Donald Trump

Conservatory wrote: »

I see this angry -women won’t date me because I’m shorter than them- jive a lot here.

I don't think it's anger. Everyone has filters.


I wouldn't date a fat hippo. But I'd probably be called all manner of names for saying that.


The fat hippo could get up off her corpulent arse and lose weight


But there's nothing a short-arse can do to fix his short-arsedness


Except mug Bono and rob his platform shoes

Austria!

Deleted User wrote: »

Seems BS to me. The vast majority of managers/directors I've had or known were of an average height. I'm 192 cm tall, and I've only known two managers/directors taller than me.

But the studies on that wikipedia page have much bigger sample sizes and more robust methodology than your counterargument?

inspector frost

Being tall certainly is an advantage for men in the dating game. Most women's ideal is a man who is 6ft and over. It is simplistic and silly however, to suggest that being average or below average height means a man will have little to no socio-economic success. But I do agree that men who are below average height tend to have it that bit tougher when it comes to meeting women. Women are visual creatures as well, and you don't get naked with the soul.

Donald Trump

inspector frost wrote: »

Being tall certainly is an advantage for men in the dating game. Most women's ideal is a man who is 6ft and over. It is simplistic and silly however, to suggest that being average or below average height means a man will have little to no socio-economic success. But I do agree that men who are below average height tend to have it that bit tougher when it comes to meeting women. Women are visual creatures as well, and you don't get naked with the soul.

I remember some clip of some TV show they did where women could meet millionaires. They were wetting themselves silly at the thought of getting the chance to meet an accomplished self-made wealthy man. Well educated and a long CV of setting up foundations and charity work and all that. But when he walked out he was an extreme short-arse. Not quite midget but not far off. And sure not one of them wanted to give him a chance :pac:

shakeitoff

LMAO Danny Devito, Tom Cruise and Rory Mclroy, true inspirations for any short guy. One is literally a comedic act who is cast as repulsive and unattractive in literally every role he portrays, the second one is famous in spite of his height, he has top echelon looks and charisma, Mclroy can reject Wozniaki because he is worth 80 million. I personally find her attractive but she's not that hot, facially they're about the same, she's slightly more attractive. maybe.

Diversity for Hire

Attractive men do better in life. Shocking.

riemann

If Rory was an average Joe he'd wanna be pretty ****ing funny to be picking up any sort of bird.

Tall attractive Danes would assume he was some sort of frizzy haired leprechaun.

Conservatory

Diversity for Hire wrote: »

Attractive men do better in life. Shocking.

Maybe there should be quotas for so many female models and hairdressers and make up counter workers to marry a certain amount of men under 5ft5

Come to think of it one of the apprentices in my jobs is about 5ft and he has a different girl on the go every weekend. He has no problem going over to girls anywhere and asking them out. Even in the q getting his breakfast roll he would be known to turn around and ask a girl for her number.

shakeitoff

riemann wrote: »

If Rory was an average Joe he'd wanna be pretty ****ing funny to be picking up any sort of bird.

Tall attractive Danes would assume he was some sort of frizzy haired leprechaun.

He's just average looking but Wozniaki isn't really all that hot either, she's tall and blonde but her face isn't drop dead gorgeous.

Donald Trump

Average height of Fortune 500 CEOs is 6'2" apparently


https://www.altitudelifehacks.com/blogs/altitudeshoes/average-height-of-fortune-500-ceos-62

Donald Trump

You see, I don't think you understand statistics.


Statistically speaking, the is significant evidence that those who are taller do better. (Significant in the statistical meaning)



That sentence does not say that short people cannot do well. So if you know a short person who does well, it does not disprove it.





Similarly, if I tell you that above average wealth men tend to marry above-average looking females , you can't disprove that claim by saying you know a fat wan who married a billionaire. ( I don't know that this is true, just using it as an example)

Donald Trump

Where did you get it and can I have some of it?


Whatever it is you're smoking that is

seamus

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Would you be a binman?

If my financial circumstances allowed it, I would definitely consider it. Any low-intensity, low-stress work is very appealing, especially if it's outside.

Doing 12 hours a day between working and commuting and barely seeing your family is for mugs. The guys who have a simple job that gets them sitting at the table for dinner by 5pm, have the right idea.

gormdubhgorm

shakeitoff wrote: »

LMAO Danny Devito, Tom Cruise and Rory Mclroy, true inspirations for any short guy. One is literally a comedic act who is cast as repulsive and unattractive in literally every role he portrays, the second one is famous in spite of his height, he has top echelon looks and charisma, Mclroy can reject Wozniaki because he is worth 80 million. I personally find her attractive but she's not that hot, facially they're about the same, she's slightly more attractive. maybe.

Are they very successful in thier chosen fields?
Bringing in other variables does not take away that each of them is less then average height.

Which was the main point I was making.

How do explain Michael J Fox (who you left out of the list) ?

There is one point I do agree with you on is that Charisma has a lot to with it.

Noel Gallagher and Prince?

They did not start of rich and with millions of fans they were a success in thier careers despite being less then average height.

gormdubhgorm

seamus wrote: »

If my financial circumstances allowed it, I would definitely consider it. Any low-intensity, low-stress work is very appealing, especially if it's outside.

Doing 12 hours a day between working and commuting and barely seeing your family is for mugs. The guys who have a simple job that gets them sitting at the table for dinner by 5pm, have the right idea.

That's the long and the short of it alright

Donald Trump

Look I have to do it.

Everytime I see this thread pop to the top of the newly edited list, this bollix of a song comes into me head

gormdubhgorm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Look I have to do it.

Everytime I see this thread pop to the top of the newly edited list, this bollix of a song comes into me head

James Hetfield is 6'1 by the way....

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0381723/bio

troyzer

Jeff Bezos is 171cm.

Napoléon was 169cm.

Stalin was 165cm.

So yeah, bollocks.

the purple tin

Is there a ceiling? How tall is too tall?

Baron Kurtz

Mrhuth wrote: »

One of the Dublin City centre offices for a major company. They have executive management meetings with many different companies often so I see them all the time. They are all towering over me like I am some child. I just don't buy it that it just so happens that they are more intelligent than everyone else and just happen to be taller not the fact that it's their height that puts them in this position. Honestly, I feel inferior and I feel like I'll never be able to achieve such success because I am too short.

Get yourself some Bono shoes. Nice clicky little heels.

spurious

Men are usually taller than women.

Mrhuth

troyzer wrote: »

Jeff Bezos is 171cm.

Napoléon was 169cm.

Stalin was 165cm.

So yeah, bollocks.

Napoleon was average at the time
And Soviets always had manlets for some reason it's an exception. Lenin, putin and Stalin all manlets.
Look at USA presidents and UK prime ministers, USA leaders are better comparison.

Doctor Jimbob

Mrhuth wrote: »

Napoleon was average at the time
And Soviets always had manlets for some reason it's an exception. Lenin, putin and Stalin all manlets.
Look at USA presidents and UK prime ministers, USA leaders are better comparison.

:rolleyes:

riclad

I think it means if theres 5 people going for a job the person who
is taller has a better chance at being selected .`
You still need a degree to work at google and have certain qualifications in programming.
Look at daytime tv presenters or newsreaders on tv .
They tend to dress a certain way and they look attractive.
All the female presenters on tg4 are young ,dress very well and are slim.
Most male film stars are handsome ,slim and fit .they have to spend alot of time in the gym if the want to get the leading role in an action or superhero movie.
IF you want to be a ceo of a startup and are very clever and know the right people being 5ft 3 wont effect your career much.
Coming from a rich family and going to the right college helps when you need to get funding for your new company.
IF you are an idiot or lazy being tall in it self won,t get you a job.

Renegade Mechanic

I'm 6'4" and covered in **** under a pure pig of a car outside, so I'd say brains and ability to... "manoeuvre", shall we say, are what it takes to succeed in this world. If yer a moron like me then take that covering of **** on the chin and quit whining

con___manx1

My boss is a ruthless person that walked all over people to get to the top. She is about 25 stone and 5ft tall.

blue note

Wow, this thread really surprised me. I thought this was just accepted at this stage, I didn't realise that anyone really doubted it.

I was amazed to see so many people add to this discussion with "hold on, I can point to lots of short people who were successful, therefore it must mean that height bears no significant relation to professional success. That's like saying you don't think Irish summers are mild, because you can point to a heap of days just this year that were scorching! Well there are a million comparisons you can make to this type of logic. But basically, it's a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics.

ginandtonicsky

Height can command authority, I see it in my job all the time. I'm 5 ft 1 and used to work in a team with two 6 ft 3er men. I'd call a meeting with one of my clients, bring them along and wouldn't get a look-in. All conversation, questions and eye contact was directed at them.

It became so problematic that I started deploying techniques to change the tune at meetings I'd have with them. Would stay standing for the duration of the meeting, walk around the room, interject when questions that should be coming to me were directed at them instead.

I also find being direct and firm to the point of being a raging b1tch can even things out too. You don't win any friends, but people will know who holds the court and will look for your approval a lot more.

In dating, yes I want to feel petite and I like that whole 'protector' vibe. It's nice to be picked up and thrown around too :pac: Too tall at my height though can just be impractical and almost comical. Someone above 6 foot is probably too tall.

Somedaythefire

Someone tell Mike Bloomberg he should give up.

con___manx1

con___manx1 wrote: »

My boss is a ruthless person that walked all over people to get to the top. She is about 25 stone and 5ft tall.

I'm just under 5ft and less than 7 stone.

If I was more than 18 stone heavier I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be walking anywhere.

Renegade Mechanic

Candie wrote: »

I'm just under 5ft and less than 7 stone.

If I was more than 18 stone heavier I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be walking anywhere.

You would be amazed, or maybe horrified at just what levels of abuse the human body will take - and still walk - before finally popping a cog.
Personally I think once you reach the point where you need to wrap a rag around a stick to try and clean yourself in the shower after destroying the bog with the gamey mush of last night's seven large curry chip 'n cheeses, it should be an automatic cardiac arrest tbh

steddyeddy

I read the study and it's interesting but I'd have to see the raw data before commenting further.

A friend of mine is conducting a similar study for his PhD. He's linked this to gender discrimination stating that women are often missing from the CEO positions partly because of height discrimination as they tend to be shorter than males.

I've not noticed this in STEM fields both industry and academia I have to say. Perhaps seeing tall people as somehow more capable is in areas like business and law ect. In other words jobs with more emphasis on the person.

Franz Von Peppercorn

blue note wrote: »

Wow, this thread really surprised me. I thought this was just accepted at this stage, I didn't realise that anyone really doubted it.

I was amazed to see so many people add to this discussion with "hold on, I can point to lots of short people who were successful, therefore it must mean that height bears no significant relation to professional success. That's like saying you don't think Irish summers are mild, because you can point to a heap of days just this year that were scorching! Well there are a million comparisons you can make to this type of logic. But basically, it's a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics.

The op said “nothing else matters” which is clearly bollocks.

steddyeddy

Indeed it's BS. Clearly a lot of things matter. There's many factors to consider. On the negative side of being tall there's the fact that taller people are at increased risk of six types of cancer. https://www.wcrf.org/int/blog/articles/2017/06/link-between-height-and-cancer-risk

764dak

Height also correlates with intelligence.

steddyeddy

764dak wrote: »

Height also correlates with intelligence.

Meaning that women are also less smarter than men on average? I don't believe that sorry.

Debtocracy

764dak wrote: »

Height also correlates with intelligence.

What's always missing from these discussions is the effect size. So height correlates about .10 - .20 with intelligence, meaning height explains 1-4% of the variation in intelligence, with 96-99% left to explain. So if a short and tall guy walked in the door and I had to guess who was smarter, height would be practically useless in helping me predict this. But if there's a significant correlation it makes the headlines as if it was a scientific breakthrough.

764dak

steddyeddy wrote: »

764dak wrote: »

Height also correlates with intelligence.

Meaning that women are also less smarter than men on average? I don't believe that sorry.

You have to adjust for gender.  But tall women would be smarter than short women.

Sycamore Tree

con___manx1 wrote: »

My boss is a ruthless person that walked all over people to get to the top. She is about 25 stone and 5ft tall.

I would never call the person I report to my "boss". There is something deferential about that word. He/She is just another pleb in our multinational doing a different role to me. I might call him/her my manager but never "boss". I manage people too and I would be very uncomfortable if they ever called me "boss".

steddyeddy

764dak wrote: »

You have to adjust for gender.  But tall women would be smarter than short women.

Gender differences in intelligence? Do go on.

ToddyDoody

Mrhuth wrote: »

There is a reason why 90% of people in higher management positions are way above average height. The taller you are, the higher your position. Nothing else matters.

Agreed, the whole endeavor is pointless and don't dare think otherwise.