Pubs, cafes & restaurants thinking they own the pavements

eigrod

I'm getting more and more vexed at pubs, cafes and restaurants in Dublin and other towns I've been to recently thinking they own the pavements outside their premises. Seems they now have carte blanche to put seating, canopies, advertising hoardings and sandwich boards right from their front doors to the edge of the pavement.

I'm able bodied, but having to step on to the road or luas line, or to wait as pedestrians filter through one by one is really irritating - maybe it's because of my age. Can't imagine how frustrating it is for wheelchair users.

Rant over, until I got out again.

the beer revolu

Businesses pay for this space. It isn't cheap.
However, I've no doubt that businesses take more space than they are allocated and I suspect that many don't pay.

Needs enforcement.

DaeryssaOne

As a country not built for sunny climes, we have no purposely buily big open squares in which to sit, have a drink/meal and enjoy this presumably short-lived gorgeous weather. I am all for businesses putting as many tables and chairs outside their premises as possible this week so we can enjoy it as much as possible.

Understandably annoying for those that have to step around them but for this week there should be no complaints about this really!

CeilingFly

If you think its blocking the pavement, then you can send a complaint to the roads and traffic dept who control this

http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-business/apply-tables-chairs-licence

As above, its expensive.

Licence fee €100
PLUS
Table fee €125 per table
PLUS
Space fee of up to €500 per square metre

So say 4 sq metres with 3 tables in premium Dublin city spot will cost €2500 per year

whisky_galore

Can't sit out in it without being asphyxiated by smokers though.

Zebra3

Not just tables and chairs.

Businesses placing ads on the footpath. Tend to avoid those ignorant cvnts as a result. Seems to be absolutely no enforcement on this.

_Dara_

Vexed is a great word, OP. My parents loved to deploy it!

_Dara_

CeilingFly wrote: »

If you think its blocking the pavement, then you can send a complaint to the roads and traffic dept who control this

http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-business/apply-tables-chairs-licence

As above, its expensive.

Licence fee €100
PLUS
Table fee €125 per table
PLUS
Space fee of up to €500 per square metre

So say 4 sq metres with 3 tables in premium Dublin city spot will cost €2500 per year

That actually doesn’t seem too expensive for a full year. 50 quid a week.

andekwarhola

eigrod wrote: »

I'm able bodied, but having to step on to the road or luas line, or to wait as pedestrians filter through one by one is really irritating - maybe it's because of my age

Probably not.

goat2

It surprises me that no person has been injured by these being placed on the footpath which was originally provided for foot fall, some of the tables can be in a very uncomfortable and public place for any bit of comfort for the customer, people walking close by the tables all the time, I would not like that, where there is a proper garden outdoor area are beautiful, I would not sit on the pavement or streetside tables

Grayson

_Dara_ wrote: »

That actually doesn’t seem too expensive for a full year. 50 quid a week.

If it was based not just on size but on the percentage of the available space used it would make sense. In bigger areas with lots of space they could place more tables, on a narrow street it's not possible to put more than one.

_Dara_

Grayson wrote: »

If it was based not just on size but on the percentage of the available space used it would make sense. In bigger areas with lots of space they could place more tables, on a narrow street it's not possible to put more than one.

It’s rare enough to see only one or two tables outside a place. Most will have more than that.

silverharp

a popular one near me is Ryan's pub in Sandymount, but its at the corner of a main road with busses and lots of traffic, not sure what the appeal is? also no shade, sitting up against a wall in full sun sounds like torture to me.

Reckless Abandonment

Ffs. Smoking ban comes in. Pubs and restaurants start using outdoor space. Then non smokers realise it's better and they want it. But it now has to be smoke free. Now able bodied people have to use their legs to wake around these outdoor spaces and they want them gone.
This is why nothing good ever last in this country.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

silverharp wrote: »

a popular one near me is Ryan's pub in Sandymount, but its at the corner of a main road with busses and lots of traffic, not sure what the appeal is? also no shade, sitting up against a wall in full sun sounds like torture to me.

Yes I see lots of local cafes and restaurants putting tables and chairs out on busy suburban pavements with loads of traffic going past. I suppose smokers might sit there, but it doesn't look very relaxing.

eigrod

Reckless Abandonment wrote: »

Ffs. Smoking ban comes in. Pubs and restaurants start using outdoor space. Then non smokers realise it's better and they want it. But it now has to be smoke free. Now able bodied people have to use their legs to wake around these outdoor spaces and they want them gone.
This is why nothing good ever last in this country.

So if they continue to expand out on to the public road and make the traffic go on to the other side of the road, that's ok too ?

Public pavements (pedestrian walks, sidewalks, call them what you will) were put there for pedestrians, not for businesses to take up the full width of them.

Oh, and it's nothing to do with smoking. These would be there this time of the year were there a smoking ban or not.

Odhinn

I thought it was the Spanish students thinking the thinking that they owned the pavements.

CeilingFly

_Dara_ wrote: »

That actually doesn’t seem too expensive for a full year. 50 quid a week.

For a summer like this - excellent value for money. But you see very few people sitting out from October to April and in the usual summers when its raining every other day.

Outlaw Pete

Oliver St Yogurty are the worst. Think they own the feckin place with their 17 euro pints.

Grayson

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Oliver St Yogurty are the worst. Think they own the feckin place with their 17 euro pints.

We might clash occasionally but this is something we agree on.

Zebra3

Reckless Abandonment wrote: »

Ffs. Smoking ban comes in. Pubs and restaurants start using outdoor space. Then non smokers realise it's better and they want it. But it now has to be smoke free. Now able bodied people have to use their legs to wake around these outdoor spaces and they want them gone.
This is why nothing good ever last in this country.

Nothing good?

Like what? Smoking?

CeilingFly

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Oliver St Yogurty are the worst. Think they own the feckin place with their 17 euro pints.

have they come down in price

My local is still 4.20 + fab beer garden

Fr_Dougal

whisky_galore wrote: »

Can't sit out in it without being asphyxiated by smokers though.

Stay inside in your smoke-free environment and leave us smokers alone.

_Dara_

CeilingFly wrote: »

For a summer like this - excellent value for money. But you see very few people sitting out from October to April and in the usual summers when its raining every other day.

Well naturally you won’t have people sitting outside year-round. But there’s a four to five month period where it’s possible and having outdoor seating can bring in custom. It certainly attracts me anyway!

wakka12

Businesses need planning permission to do that and in the city centre it's very expensive to place even a few seats outside, though I don't know how strictly enforced it is

whisky_galore

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Stay inside in your smoke-free environment and leave us smokers alone.

Take your polluting addiction elsewhere.

Donald Trump

It's likely that they do own them ya big feckin' eejits :pac:

eigrod

Donald Trump wrote: »

It's likely that they do own them ya big feckin' eejits :pac:

Own what ?

AllForIt

Outdoor seating areas don't bother me but actually what does is those A boards.

s8n

Nothing thread

jippo nolan

whisky_galore wrote: »

Take your polluting addiction elsewhere.

We did, we took it outside!

Donald Trump

eigrod wrote: »

Donald Trump wrote: »

It's likely that they do own them ya big feckin' eejits :pac:

Own what ?

Clue is in title of thread
"Pubs, cafes & restaurants thinking they own the pavements"




Just because the own them doesn't mean they can do what they like with them. But they probably technically own them