Tour de France 2018 - General Thread

selwyn froggitt

selwyn froggitt wrote: »

Petty......
You might remind me where Dan Martin and Nico Roche were born?

How does it matter?

Delighted for Dan, just rewards. I believe the reward is actually to the tune of 20,000 euro

Dr. Bre

Deleted User wrote: »

Delighted for Dan, just rewards. I believe the reward is actually to the tune of 20,000 euro

Wonder how much of that goes to him and the team?

dastardly00

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Wonder how much of that goes to him and the team?

Normally teams pool all prize money earned from the Tour and divide it between the riders

dastardly00

https://twitter.com/lawsoncraddock/status/1023191576904978434

selwyn froggitt

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How does it matter?

Exactly

Breaston Plants

With less than 2 minutes between the top 2 cyclists, Why does the last stage of the Tour just be a free-wheel into Paris? Has any contender in the past made a serious attack on the last day?

Gerry

Breaston Plants wrote: »

With less than 2 minutes between the top 2 cyclists, Why does the last stage of the Tour just be a free-wheel into Paris? Has any contender in the past made a serious attack on the last day?

Yes, is this just some gentleman's agreement?

mloc123

Somebody attacked once, cannot recall now... In the 80s or maybe early 90s

greedygoblin

The year Stephen Roche won it, wasn't he attacked on the last stage into Paris?

selwyn froggitt

Breaston Plants wrote: »

With less than 2 minutes between the top 2 cyclists, Why does the last stage of the Tour just be a free-wheel into Paris? Has any contender in the past made a serious attack on the last day?

Riders don’t race during the last stage of the Tour. It is considered to be a ceremonial saunter to Paris, in which all riders pay their respects to the yellow jersey and his team.The racing does resume once the pack reaches Champs- Élysées, as they complete the final laps around it,which can be pretty frantic sometimes

CrowdedHouse

I think Delgado made a token attack but was chased down and discouraged by Guido Bontempi.

Breaston Plants

selwyn froggitt wrote: »

Riders don’t race during the last stage of the Tour. It is considered to be a ceremonial saunter to Paris, in which all riders pay their respects to the yellow jersey and his team.The racing does resume once the pack reaches Champs- Élysées, as they complete the final laps around it,which can be pretty frantic sometimes

Would it be frowned upon if a contender made an attack say 40 or 50km from Pairs?

mloc123

Breaston Plants wrote: »

Would it be frowned upon if a contender made an attack say 40 or 50km from Pairs?

Yes. It would also be pointless. The yellow jersey team would have it chased down in no time.

Breaston Plants

mloc123 wrote: »

Yes. It would also be pointless. The yellow jersey team would have it chased down in no time.

I'd love to see someone in the top 5 give it a go for the craic, and seeing how unpopular the Sky team are I'd say the general French public wouldn't mind either.

Brian?

Breaston Plants wrote: »

I'd love to see someone in the top 5 give it a go for the craic, and seeing how unpopular the Sky team are I'd say the general French public wouldn't mind either.

The stage is neatralised once they hit he finishing circuit. The sprinters teams would eat anyone who attacks alive.

Inquitus

Brian? wrote: »

The stage is neatralised once they hit he finishing circuit. The sprinters teams would eat anyone who attacks alive.

It's not officially neutralised, that only occurs if its wet.

The race management and Commissaires’ Committee
may have to take the following measures for the finish
of the 21st stage on the Champs-Élysées in Paris:
• if the road surface of the Champs-Élysées has
become slippery before the riders reach it, then
the times may be taken for the first crossing of
the finish line;
• if the road surface of the Champs-Élysées
becomes slippery after the riders have already
begun racing on it, then the times may be taken
at the next crossing of the finishing line.
In both cases, the finish will be maintained. In
both cases, riders and sports managers will
be informed immediately. In any event, riders
must compete all of the circuits of the Champs-
Élysées to be ranked at the final finish. A single
car belonging to the sports managers will be
authorized on the circuit of the Champs-Élysées.
The second car will have to leave the circuit
before the first crossing of the finish line.

john9876

I don't follow cycling much ... just curious how close Dan Martin would get if he was riding for a better team?

Dr. Bre

Didn’t they finish on the champs elysees with a time trial before? Be nice if they did something different

Inquitus

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Didn’t they finish on the champs elysees with a time trial before? Be nice if they did something different

Aye Lemond beat Fignon in a stage 21 TT in 1989 to win the Tour by 8 seconds.

Brian?

Inquitus wrote: »

Aye Lemond beat Fignon in a stage 21 TT in 1989 to win the Tour by 8 seconds.

Breaking my 10 year old heart.

Brian?

Inquitus wrote: »

It's not officially neutralised, that only occurs if its wet.

You’re right. That was the Vuelta

seanin4711

like steve "interesting "davis with snooker in the 80's.
TDF is becoming sooo predictable with sky sterilizing cycling.
that is all!
chapeau dan the man!

c.p.w.g.w

Would be fantastic if someone attacked the yellow tomorrow

retalivity

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Would be fantastic if someone attacked the yellow tomorrow

Not really.

Would be a bit of craic if there was only 10-20 seconds in it. 1m 50s, not worth it, other than to piss sky off

letape

Brian? wrote: »

Breaking my 10 year old heart.

I’m still not over that disappointment!

In hindsight though I think the cleaner cyclist won.

Inquitus

letape wrote: »

I’m still not over that disappointment!

In hindsight though I think the cleaner cyclist won.

The use of clip ons was a bit of a grey area at the time, Fignon passed still believing he was robbed from what I have read, it would appear that Lemond was the cleaner cyclist though!

dastardly00

john9876 wrote: »

I don't follow cycling much ... just curious how close Dan Martin would get if he was riding for a better team?

Using this year's race as an example, if he was on a better team, he wouldn't have lost as much time as he did during the team time trial. That would have been a huge benefit.

If he was on a better team he would have had more support in the mountains (i.e. better domestiques), so he might have limited the time losses he suffered. So he would have been higher up in GC... But then as a result he might have been closed down quicker during the attacks that he made.

His individual time trialling would be still the same (i.e. quite poor), unless the better team forced him to focus more on his TT ability.

If he was on a really good team, his best chance of winning the Tour de France would be if there was very little time trials. If the individual time trial was a mountain climb (the organisers do that every now and again), then that would suit him more than a flat time trial.

dsaint1

dastardly00 wrote: »

Using this year's race as an example, if he was on a better team, he wouldn't have lost as much time as he did during the team time trial. That would have been a huge benefit.

If he was on a better team he would have had more support in the mountains (i.e. better domestiques), so he might have limited the time losses he suffered. So he would have been higher up in GC... But then as a result he might have been closed down quicker during the attacks that he made.

His individual time trialling would be still the same (i.e. quite poor), unless the better team forced him to focus more on his TT ability.

If he was on a really good team, his best chance of winning the Tour de France would be if there was very little time trials. If the individual time trial was a mountain climb (the organisers do that every now and again), then that would suit him more than a flat time trial.

And IF ****e was black pudding, we'd all be butchers!

dastardly00

dsaint1 wrote: »

And IF ****e was black pudding, we'd all be butchers!