Households To Produce Receipts For Waste Or Face Fines

freshpopcorn

AlekSmart wrote: »

How does one access the "Civic Amenity" site if not a Car owner..?

My local "Dump" at Ballymount is a huge improvement on what went before,in the likes of Dunsink,Ballyogan and Friarstown,BUT the charges are exorbitant for private citizens...It is as if the Operator does NOT want the ordinary folks bringing waste to the site....?

Neither the State,or it's representative Local Authorities appear to have any role other than a facilitator for the business models of a select few Waste "Management" Companies.....methinks a case for Nationalization in the National Interest ??

This fixation has allowed by Government and Contracted Companies to totally avoid methods which provenly work elsewhere in Europe....

https://earth911.com/business-policy/recycling-in-germany/



Berlin or Boston...right ?

I'd say Marie would be quickly turned back at our hard border should she turn up looking to inspect our "cosy little arrangements" here in Ireland ?

Well if one does not own a car one option is to get a friend/family member to bring you.
I know a good few people who use them a few times a year. If they had to sign up to a bin collection they'd be be four times what they are paying now.

questionmark?

Personally I would struggle to have black bag a month and one recycling bag. Take it to the local privately operated bring centre which costs me €6 for the pair. Cardboard, electrics, wood, bottles and clothes all free. No receipt giving. Why would I pay circa €40 a month and have the hassle of wheelie bins when I have this facility?

mikeym

Its about time they go after those who dont pay for legal waste collection.

dhaughton99

freshpopcorn wrote: »

We were told by the council not to touch the rubbish because if you did it would stop them being able to prosecute the person!

I would always report dumping in my area through the fix your street site run by SDCC. You’d then get an email a week later saying warden investigated. He never did. The bags were never opened. I’d pass them everyday. They would be left there for another few weeks then a council van would throw them in with the other rubbish. This happened 10+ times. I just gave up reporting.

kylith

kylith wrote: »

Saving around €500 anually and not throwing 2,500 nappies a year into landfill is nothing to be sniffed at.

To be honest I wouldn't turn over in bed to save 500 a year never mind go to the crazy effort of having wash cloth nappies. I’m even more surprised now that you would go to the effort when it’s such an insignificant saving.

As for saving on nappies in landfill, yeah couldn’t rally care about that to be honest*

*just to say incase this is misinterpreted I detest littering and flytipping etc but using landfill or incinerators is legal and part of modern waste disposal so not something to get all worked up about.

Graces7

Kassidy Delicious Dishcloth wrote: »

To be honest I wouldn't turn over in bed to save 500 a year never mind go to the crazy effort of having wash cloth nappies. I’m even more surprised now that you would go to the effort when it’s such an insignificant saving.

As for saving on nappies in landfill, yeah couldn’t rally care about that to be honest*

*just to say incase this is misinterpreted I detest littering and flytipping etc but using landfill or incinerators is legal and part of modern waste disposal so not something to get all worked up about.

Try harder or even try..

Wales, Australia and other countries have a more responsible approach .

http://www.realnappies-wales.org.uk/


Poor Ireland.... Sinking in nappies... and who cares!

suicide_circus

My bins are included in my rent. I don't get receipts

Discodog

My "local" waste centre is a 45 minute drive away. It's crazy that the Council don't set up more local centres.

TheChizler

suicide_circus wrote: »

My bins are included in my rent. I don't get receipts

Easily proven. It's not like they'll be trying to catch you out, it's to discourage illegal dumping. I imagine there'll only be a few token prosecutions. I have the same feeling about the current hosepipe ban in Dublin, the amount of media coverage and awareness will be enough to reduce usage significantly without any prosecutions.

kylith

Kassidy Delicious Dishcloth wrote: »

To be honest I wouldn't turn over in bed to save 500 a year never mind go to the crazy effort of having wash cloth nappies. I’m even more surprised now that you would go to the effort when it’s such an insignificant saving.

As for saving on nappies in landfill, yeah couldn’t rally care about that to be honest*

*just to say incase this is misinterpreted I detest littering and flytipping etc but using landfill or incinerators is legal and part of modern waste disposal so not something to get all worked up about.

Bully for you. For some of us €500 is the difference between holiday and no holiday. Having a child is expensive enough without spending money you could save by putting yourself out for 5 minutes.

"I don't give a sht about pollution or the fact that landfill is running out", says it all really.

Hermy

Does anyone know what rubbish goes in the incinerator at Poolbeg?

LirW

kylith wrote: »

Bully for you. For some of us €500 is the difference between holiday and no holiday. Having a child is expensive enough without spending money you could save by putting yourself out for 5 minutes.

"I don't give a sht about pollution or the fact that landfill is running out", says it all really.

There's another nappy problem though, washing them and getting on top of that not insignificant laundry is unfortunately rarely doable for busy parents where both parents work full-time. There are quite smart reusable nappy systems now, yet it still requires quite some manual work that doesn't suit into people's lifestyle.
Next thing is that many creches wouldn't accept them.
I'm not making excuses there, I'm all for a change in that regard but it's one of the things where convenience wins because people live such a busy lifestyle with often 2 working parents.

kylith

LirW wrote: »

kylith wrote: »

Bully for you. For some of us €500 is the difference between holiday and no holiday. Having a child is expensive enough without spending money you could save by putting yourself out for 5 minutes.

"I don't give a sht about pollution or the fact that landfill is running out", says it all really.

There's another nappy problem though, washing them and getting on top of that not insignificant laundry is unfortunately rarely doable for busy parents where both parents work full-time. There are quite smart reusable nappy systems now, yet it still requires quite some manual work that doesn't suit into people's lifestyle.
Next thing is that many creches wouldn't accept them.
I'm not making excuses there, I'm all for a change in that regard but it's one of the things where convenience wins because people live such a busy lifestyle with often 2 working parents.

I can totally understand that, disposables are by their nature much more convenient. However it’s still a significant saving in cash, bin charges, and landfill if they’re just used for the 6 months of maternity leave. Many places run a ‘nappy library’ where you can rent them.

I think one issue they have is that people think that they’re still the terry-cloth and plastic knickers variety when in fact they’re much more like disposables in use, but you can just throw them in the washing machine.

LirW

kylith wrote: »

I can totally understand that, disposables are by their nature much more convenient. However it’s still a significant saving in cash, bin charges, and landfill if they’re just used for the 6 months of maternity leave. Many places run a ‘nappy library’ where you can rent them.

I think one issue they have is that people think that they’re still the terry-cloth and plastic knickers variety when in fact they’re much more like disposables in use, but you can just throw them in the washing machine.

Not disagreeing there, it's a really good thought behind it. Even though I know a few people that would still use the disposable ones out and about because carrying a bad stinky nappy around for the day doesn't appeal to many. Still, I get that there are many savings to be made.

kylith

LirW wrote: »

kylith wrote: »

I can totally understand that, disposables are by their nature much more convenient. However it’s still a significant saving in cash, bin charges, and landfill if they’re just used for the 6 months of maternity leave. Many places run a ‘nappy library’ where you can rent them.

I think one issue they have is that people think that they’re still the terry-cloth and plastic knickers variety when in fact they’re much more like disposables in use, but you can just throw them in the washing machine.

Not disagreeing there, it's a really good thought behind it. Even though I know a few people that would still use the disposable ones out and about because carrying a bad stinky nappy around for the day doesn't appeal to many. Still, I get that there are many savings to be made.

I can completely understand and if it doesn’t fit with people’s lives, and I would encourage people to at least look for compostable ones that won’t sit in landfill for 300 years, it’s the ‘why would anyone do that, I don’t give a crap about the environment’ attitude that has me totally baffled.

seamus

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Don't mind the arrogance and this auld craic with trying to make a conspiracy theorist out of me.

No, no, you're doing fine job of that yourself:

Ubbquittious wrote: »

They are dragging people further onto the grid by shoveling them up with plastic waste they usually don't want and forcing them to prove they paid to get rid of it.

Yes, the food producers, bin companies and the government are all in cahoots to try and "drag people onto the grid"

All you've done so far is complain about this proposal, while offering zero alternatives whatsoever beyond, "Go and catch flytippers".

If you disagree with a proposal, offer alternatives. Otherwise all you've got is hot air.

LirW

kylith wrote: »

I can completely understand and if it doesn’t fit with people’s lives, and I would encourage people to at least look for compostable ones that won’t sit in landfill for 300 years, it’s the ‘why would anyone do that, I don’t give a crap about the environment’ attitude that has me totally baffled.

I think it's very much a how long is a piece of string-question. Yes, there are people that don't care. When we had our little one, we were still living with the in-laws and using their washing machine, they were against the whole thing, little I could do.
It's the same with buying food, some people have a serious budget and buy in supermarkets where everything is wrapped twice in plastic, because they have little choice. Others don't have the time to go to markets. Unfortunately society shifted their values in a way that by now is harming the environment a lot. We're so incredibly busy that convenience wins, be it shopping, nappies or holidays. It all needs to fit into a tight schedule.
I grow my own veg in the garden, I put a lot of time and effort into it and it looks like an incredibly rewarding harvest. But I can only do it because I'm staying at home with my child, otherwise I'd struggle.
We are so busy that environmental protection has little space in our schedules, which is unfortunate and dangerous.

Dravokivich

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

GDPR (section 55 DPA 2018) wont offer a whole lot of protection for you in the investigation of offences by authorized data officers.

I think at one stage recently ~20% of the Dublin population were not customers of any refuse service.

When I rented an apartment I didn't pay for bins. They were a part of the complex and provided through management fees. So I wouldn't be too shocked by that 20%

seamus wrote: »

No, no, you're doing fine job of that yourself:

Yes, the food producers, bin companies and the government are all in cahoots to try and "drag people onto the grid"

All you've done so far is complain about this proposal, while offering zero alternatives whatsoever beyond, "Go and catch flytippers".

If you disagree with a proposal, offer alternatives. Otherwise all you've got is hot air.

Why? I don't see anything worthwhile out of this proposal. I can't disagree with it if I have nothing better, so we should put up with this crap?

It's more of this soup of the day bollocks our politicians are pushing us into, and are putting forwards fines that can target legitimate citizens for the sake of looking like they've done something about the problem. Without addressing the issue at all.

If I'm paying for my waste collection, how am I part of the issue of fly tipping? Why potentially criminalise those who are taking care of their waste correctly? It doesn't address the issue brought forward in the media last week of those companies who've been throwing waste around the place fecklessly. Their customers would have had receipts!

kylith

LirW wrote: »

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It's the same with buying food, some people have a serious budget and buy in supermarkets where everything is wrapped twice in plastic, because they have little choice. Others don't have the time to go to markets. Unfortunately society shifted their values in a way that by now is harming the environment a lot. We're so incredibly busy that convenience wins, be it shopping, nappies or holidays. It all needs to fit into a tight schedule.
I grow my own veg in the garden, I put a lot of time and effort into it and it looks like an incredibly rewarding harvest. But I can only do it because I'm staying at home with my child, otherwise I'd struggle.
We are so busy that environmental protection has little space in our schedules, which is unfortunate and dangerous.

I’d love to have space to grow veg, and it’s one of the things we’ll be taking into consideration when we move in a couple of years.

Thankfully Lidl is now selling a lot of veg that isn’t wrapped in plastic. Makes little difference when you have to put it in plastic bags anyway, I know, but i’ll be busting out the sewing machine as soon as I get a chance and running up some reusable produce bags, and SuperValu has replaced plastic produce bags with biodegradable ones, which is awesome.

I hope that in future more companies will move toward stuff like bio-plastics made out of materials like corn or hemp, and I would love to see governments endorse that rather than go after the consumer.

LirW

kylith wrote: »

I’d love to have space to grow veg, and it’s one of the things we’ll be taking into consideration when we move in a couple of years.

Thankfully Lidl is now selling a lot of veg that isn’t wrapped in plastic. Makes little difference when you have to put it in plastic bags anyway, I know, but i’ll be busting out the sewing machine as soon as I get a chance and running up some reusable produce bags, and SuperValu has replaced plastic produce bags with biodegradable ones, which is awesome.

I hope that in future more companies will move toward stuff like bio-plastics made out of materials like corn or hemp, and I would love to see governments endorse that rather than go after the consumer.

I think in order to make a difference, society would need to realise that we'd have to give up a bit of the comfort we have. Everybody wants to save the world, but nobody wants to actually give up their level of comfort because it's a bother to spend precious time on the boring things in life. A wash of nappies takes time and is boring, baking your own bread takes time and is boring, driving on a holiday or taking public transport doesn't bring you to Australia and if it would it's long and boring.
I don't really expect people to commit to a big change when they aren't even bothered taking their manky bottles back home from the beach.

Also my Lidl doesn't offer open veg and fruit anymore because, drumroll: Nobody bought it.

seamus

Dravokivich wrote: »

Why? I don't see anything worthwhile out of this proposal. I can't disagree with it if I have nothing better, so we should put up with this crap?

So the issue being discussed is fly-tipping. That is, the illegal disposal of waste in unauthorised locations. Either by individuals, or by companies operating without a licence.

There is a legal requirement on all householders to use a licenced operator or authorised waste facility. If you don't do that, you are committing an offence. This proposal is simply an extension of that; to enforce that legal requirement and cut down on fly tipping.

What part of the proposal do you think is flawed? By all means if you think there's no issue to be solved, then obviously you don't have to propose alternative solutions.

If I'm paying for my waste collection, how am I part of the issue of fly tipping? Why potentially criminalise those who are taking care of their waste correctly?

If someone is taking care of their waste correctly, how does it potentially criminalise them? If one is not paying someone to take their waste, or they're somehow operating without generating any waste, then the only other explanation is that they're disposing of it illegally.

It doesn't address the issue brought forward in the media last week of those companies who've been throwing waste around the place fecklessly. Their customers would have had receipts!

That's a separate issue. There are already processes in place to deal with that.

Dravokivich

seamus wrote: »

So the issue being discussed is fly-tipping. That is, the illegal disposal of waste in unauthorised locations. Either by individuals, or by companies operating without a licence.

There is a legal requirement on all householders to use a licenced operator or authorised waste facility. If you don't do that, you are committing an offence. This proposal is simply an extension of that; to enforce that legal requirement and cut down on fly tipping.

What part of the proposal do you think is flawed? By all means if you think there's no issue to be solved, then obviously you don't have to propose alternative solutions.

If someone is taking care of their waste correctly, how does it potentially criminalise them? If one is not paying someone to take their waste, or they're somehow operating without generating any waste, then the only other explanation is that they're disposing of it illegally.

That's a separate issue. There are already processes in place to deal with that.

The ones on that show last week were licenced.

I never denied there was an issue. I just agree this action proposed does not address it. I don't know what will. SO why would I suggest something else? Just because I don't have an answer, I can't say the one provided is wrong?

joeysoap

I am a customer of one of the bigger bin companies. I have 3 bins and they are all the standard ones. Pensioners, and kids have flown the nest. On our own usage they would be relatively empty most collection days. But my son ,who has his own house nearby, uses my bins to save on costs.
(Single, mortgage, little waste) so between us we get good value. But on his own there is no way he’d warrant a taking out a contract. My next door neighbour is in the same boat, only it’s his daughter who uses his bins.

Will this be another cluster**** like Irish water or will the powers that be use their brains this time? I would hazard a guess there’s thousands like me (sometimes in reverse, parents using their children’s bins)

seamus

Dravokivich wrote: »

The ones on that show last week were licenced.

Sure. And they were caught and will be fined and/or lose their licence.

I never denied there was an issue. I just agree this action proposed does not address it.

How so?

Mikenesson

Do you need your name on the receipt?

I have one here it just says Boss

fineso.mom

Graces7 wrote: »

Try harder or even try..

Wales, Australia and other countries have a more responsible approach .

http://www.realnappies-wales.org.uk/


Poor Ireland.... Sinking in nappies... and who cares!

Ive used cloth nappies and found them fine,used liners with them so there was no huge mess really. Dealing with babies various expulsions didnt bother me anyway so I suppose that made it easier.
Still wondering about waste on the island though Graces7 ? What do you do with the non recyclabes ?

Dravokivich

seamus wrote: »

Sure. And they were caught and will be fined and/or lose their licence.
How so?

It's not the customer of the licensed operator dumping it illegaly. So why does it matter whether or not they've receipts?

Electric Sheep

kylith wrote: »

I’d love to have space to grow veg, and it’s one of the things we’ll be taking into consideration when we move in a couple of years.

Thankfully Lidl is now selling a lot of veg that isn’t wrapped in plastic. Makes little difference when you have to put it in plastic bags anyway, I know, but i’ll be busting out the sewing machine as soon as I get a chance and running up some reusable produce bags, and SuperValu has replaced plastic produce bags with biodegradable ones, which is awesome.

I hope that in future more companies will move toward stuff like bio-plastics made out of materials like corn or hemp, and I would love to see governments endorse that rather than go after the consumer.

You can buy reusable mesh bags for fruit and veg, though of course if you make them yourself that's even better! I hope that in the future people will use them as a matter of course, just as we got accustomed to using our own shopping bags instead of plastics.

And with the nappies, it's not an either/or situation. You can use disposables when out and about if that suits you, and use cloth at home and at night. Every disposable that isn't used is a win.

Alf Veedersane

AlekSmart wrote: »

My local "Dump" at Ballymount is a huge improvement on what went before,in the likes of Dunsink,Ballyogan and Friarstown,BUT the charges are exorbitant for private citizens...It is as if the Operator does NOT want the ordinary folks bringing waste to the site....?

How is it exorbitant? €170/tonne for general waste.

2014 stats were that every person generated 331kgs of municipal waste per annum. 0.331 tonnes. But that includes recyclables that are accepted free of charge at Ballymount. Say the recyclables only account for 20%, then 0.331 tonnes becomes 0.265 tonnes. At €170/tonne, that's €45/person/year to provide a service to accept all your waste.

So, how is it exorbitant?

badtoro

Wash cloth nappies, well I have no words. We have a six month old and there's no way on earth I'd even contemplate them.

Alf Veedersane

Dravokivich wrote: »

It's not the customer of the licensed operator dumping it illegaly. So why does it matter whether or not they've receipts?

There is an enforcement mechanism in place to monitor how collection companies manage the waste they collect.

The new regulations will just be looking for people to have evidence that they manage their waste legally. My Dad gave up having bins because they were expensive. He has receipts from his trips to the recycling centre. That would suffice. Any legal waste collection mechanism will provide someone with evidence that they are managing their waste and not stuffing it into street bins, throwing it over hedges, burning it etc.

Dravokivich

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

There is an enforcement mechanism in place to monitor how collection companies manage the waste they collect.

The new regulations will just be looking for people to have evidence that they manage their waste legally. My Dad gave up having bins because they were expensive. He has receipts from his trips to the recycling centre. That would suffice. Any legal waste collection mechanism will provide someone with evidence that they are managing their waste and not stuffing it into street bins, throwing it over hedges, burning it etc.

But, evidence is only needed to prove guilt.

Alf Veedersane

Dravokivich wrote: »

But, evidence is only needed to prove guilt.

I'm not sure what you're getting at?

It's proof that you avail of a legal service.

seamus

Dravokivich wrote: »

It's not the customer of the licensed operator dumping it illegaly.

Nobody said it was. Do you understand the proposed regulations and their purpose?

If you have receipts for a licensed operator, you won't have an issue.

In fact, if you are a registered customer of a licenced operator I expect you'll never be asked to produce anything.

Dravokivich

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I'm not sure what you're getting at?

It's proof that you avail of a legal service.

I don't need to keep the receipt for the parking I paid for 2 weeks ago.

seamus wrote: »

Nobody said it was. Do you understand the proposed regulations and their purpose?

If you have receipts for a licensed operator, you won't have an issue.

In fact, if you are a registered customer of a licenced operator I expect you'll never be asked to produce anything.

Why can't they just be disposed of then? All your saying is, it's to prove I used a service. If someone was to fine me for improper disposal of waste, it's up to them to prove I did so.

Graces7

badtoro wrote: »

Wash cloth nappies, well I have no words. We have a six month old and there's no way on earth I'd even contemplate them.

Have you even looked at the new ones? We are not talking re the old bulky squares?
Or soaking in buckets...

Please read

http://www.realnappies-wales.org.uk/

especially read

http://www.realnappies-wales.org.uk/real-nappies/what-we-do

Wales had the same problems as we have here now. They have done wonderfully to move to a more viable system. That respects the earth

seamus

Dravokivich wrote: »

Why can't they just be disposed of then? All your saying is, it's to prove I used a service. If someone was to fine me for improper disposal of waste, it's up to them to prove I did so.

That's not a very effective way of combatting fly-tipping. You can't plaster the country in CCTV.

Take the TV licence: while the value of chasing non-payers is very debatable, there is no argument that the current method of enforcement is very effective.

Ensuring that household waste is properly disposed of, is very valuable to society, so I see no problem in using a known effective enforcement model.

The "guilty until proven innocent" issue while rankling with people, still doesn't apply here because you're not guilty until proven so in a court of law. One can argue that's a pedantic technicality, but it's a fact.

I'll give you another example; if you're on a bus and don't have a ticket, the bye-laws allow for you to be fined. It's not up to the conductor to prove that you didn't pay, it's up to you to prove that you did.

Alf Veedersane

Dravokivich wrote: »

I don't need to keep the receipt for the parking I paid for 2 weeks ago.

Apples and oranges. Besides, your parking isn't posing a problem now and if you dumped your car or disposed of it illegally, they would come after you for it. To prove your innocence, you would have a certificate of destruction to demonstrate the problem wasn't caused by you.

In 2016, 77% of private households had a waste collection service so the vast majority of people won't be reliant on keeping receipts. Having proof is the same as the proof you have that you paid your tv licence. For those that don't have a kerbside collection service, it'll be no different to keeping the €4 stamps you accumulate to cover the licence.

Alf Veedersane

Dravokivich wrote: »

If someone was to fine me for improper disposal of waste, it's up to them to prove I did so.

An illegal dumping site is found; evidence of names and addresses to indicate where the waste came from is found.

So say a letter with your name and address is found....the enforcement officer arrives at your door and informs you that illegally dumped waste contained waste from your home. How do you demonstrate that you weren't responsible? By producing evidence that you dispose of your waste through a permitted/licensed site or have a collection service.

Dravokivich

seamus wrote: »

That's not a very effective way of combatting fly-tipping. You can't plaster the country in CCTV.

Take the TV licence: while the value of chasing non-payers is very debatable, there is no argument that the current method of enforcement is very effective.

Ensuring that household waste is properly disposed of, is very valuable to society, so I see no problem in using a known effective enforcement model.

The "guilty until proven innocent" issue while rankling with people, still doesn't apply here because you're not guilty until proven so in a court of law. One can argue that's a pedantic technicality, but it's a fact.

I'll give you another example; if you're on a bus and don't have a ticket, the bye-laws allow for you to be fined. It's not up to the conductor to prove that you didn't pay, it's up to you to prove that you did.

You don't need to keep the ticket when you've finished the journey on the bus.

I don't get pulled over 2 weeks later with someone challenging me for it.

Alf Veedersane

Dravokivich wrote: »

You don't need to keep the ticket when you've finished the journey on the bus.

I don't get pulled over 2 weeks later with someone challenging me for it.

Because two weeks later, the local authority/state doesn't have a big clean up to fund because of your legal/illegal journey.

I would hope.

jacob2

wat next paying to breathing

badtoro

jacob2 wrote: »

wat next paying to breathing

Would sir care for the standard breaths per minute subscription or would you care to upgrade to the deluxe non blue tinged lips package?

Dravokivich

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Because two weeks later, the local authority/state doesn't have a big clean up to fund because of your legal/illegal journey.

I would hope.

Why are you assuming ones action is illegal after no longer having the ticket or receipt?

seamus

Dravokivich wrote: »

You don't need to keep the ticket when you've finished the journey on the bus.

Right. But you're constantly generating waste. It's not a case that you do it for a week, dispose of it and you're "finished". You're constantly generating waste, like a figurative, never-ending bus journey.

baldbear

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I accept that illegal dumping is an issue but I think that's more because of the already extortionate charges by private bin companies

Rubbish. Some people are just dirty scumbags who litter and refuse to pay for anything & meanwhile honest people who do pay have there taxes used to clean up these selfish idiots mess. Any government who does something about this gets my support.

Dravokivich

seamus wrote: »

Right. But you're constantly generating waste. It's not a case that you do it for a week, dispose of it and you're "finished". You're constantly generating waste, like a figurative, never-ending bus journey.

So?

I lawfully dispose of waste. That's it I'm done with it. It should not be on me to keep track of who I've done it with , where I've done it and maintain proof of it.

freshpopcorn

Dravokivich wrote: »

So?

I lawfully dispose of waste. That's it I'm done with it. It should not be on me to keep track of who I've done it with , where I've done it and maintain proof of it.

I sort of get where your coming from.
The example I would use would be the government should make drivers of all diesel cars keep their receipts to prove they aren't using green diesel!

freshpopcorn

baldbear wrote: »

Rubbish. Some people are just dirty scumbags who litter and refuse to pay for anything & meanwhile honest people who do pay have there taxes used to clean up these selfish idiots mess. Any government who does something about this gets my support.

I can't actually see a massive drop in illegal dumping because of this. People will essentially get a receipt from the local amenity center and say they are very environmentally friendly and don't produce much rubbish.

Alf Veedersane

Dravokivich wrote: »

Why are you assuming ones action is illegal after no longer having the ticket or receipt?

I'm not.

It's not that unusual that you be asked to retain evidence. I like most of the other 77% of householders with a private collection service have an email from the waste collector that I have a valid account.

Most people won't be scrambling around with tiny pieces of paper.

And for those who don't have a collection service but bring their waste to a recycling centre, it's not that big a deal to keep a print out. No one I know that does it finds it a big deal anyway.

You're almost painting it as something you'd need an accountant for.