They're Alive!!!

jobless

musk wasted his time anyway

https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-leaves-impractical-kid-sized-sub-at-thailand-cave-11431747

RIGOLO

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Presumably there are 2 navy seals assisting the last child and 1 assisting the coach.

So when we hear the coach and last kid are out there will only be the doc left?

Or were there other navy seals assisting and the 3 earlier mentioned were inside the cave with the kids and coach?[/quote]
Im like the rest of you and just speculating, the reports I saw said  there were 3 SEALS and a Doctor who were staying overnight and throughout the ordeal with the kids.  
I suppose we get all these questions answered after the operation. 
Epic rescue nonetheless and numerous brave people coming to the fore.

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RIGOLO

jobless wrote: »

musk wasted his time anyway

https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-leaves-impractical-kid-sized-sub-at-thailand-cave-11431747

Im surprised Musk didnt suggest they build a hyperloop and transport the kids from the cave to LA in under 5 hours. 
Enough about Musk and his hare brained schemes. 

Lets get back to real heroes and real engineering

dr.fuzzenstein

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musk wasted his time anyway

https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-leaves-impractical-kid-sized-sub-at-thailand-cave-11431747

It was a good idea and may be helpful in other scenarios, but I guess that thing wouldn't fit through the narrow passages.

ebbsy

The divers who found them at the start...they kept on going with no idea how far they had to go or would they even find them.


Amazing people.

iguana

I'm pretty sure that the doctor is also a Navy Seal.

ectoraige

At the time that Musk & co. began designing and building the inflatable and rigid transport pods, it wasn't clear whether diving would be viable. One of the options being examined was whether it was viable to keep the children supplied few months until the rainy season stopped and waters subsided. At the time the pumping operation wasn't going well, there were real fears the entire complex would end up flooding, and it was built in consultation with the rescue team to provide a possible option.

josip

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

It was a good idea and may be helpful in other scenarios, but I guess that thing wouldn't fit through the narrow passages.

Not to derail the thread Dr, but if the thing couldn't fit through narrow passageways, how could it be considered a good idea?

I'm open minded about Musk's motives, he may not have been consciously looking for publicity and was genuinely trying to help.
But his whole life has been spent trying to generate free publicity for his various enterprises so it should not be any surprise that people are suspicious of his motives.

ectoraige

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I'm pretty sure that the doctor is also a Navy Seal.

To be precise, I believe he graduated from the course, but isn't an active member of a unit, normally working in a military hospital.

Damo 2k9

ectoraige wrote: »

At the time that Musk & co. began designing and building the inflatable and rigid transport pods, it wasn't clear whether diving would be viable. One of the options being examined was whether it was viable to keep the children supplied few months until the rainy season stopped and waters subsided. At the time the pumping operation wasn't going well, there were real fears the entire complex would end up flooding, and it was built in consultation with the rescue team to provide a possible option.

I cant see why people have a problem with him helping. As you said when he started designing this the talks of supplying them with food for 4 months was still going around. To have that built and everything in 2 days was fantastic, if they had to stay there for a prolonged period of time this would have given them another option to rescue the lads, how people can begrudge him for that is beyond me.

Sam Quentin

"Dear rain Gods of Thailand, remember when I prayed to you for no rain!? Well could you send your rain from Thailand over to Ireland please.... Because the water people of my Country have lowered the pressure in my area and now my bloódy shower wont work properly AMEN"

Damo 2k9

Reports of 12th boy in the main entrance to the cave with the coach right behind.

blackcard

How did they manage with food prior to being found? Sanitary conditions must have been bad

It's such a relief they've been rescued especially as there were talks of having to leave them there for months. Hope they all make a swift recovery. Is the last of them out now? I was only reading it was the coach and a few kids this morning and now that seems to be old news already

Hungrycol

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How did they manage with food prior to being found? Sanitary conditions must have been bad

We'll probably only find out this kind of detail when the movie comes out.

josip

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How did they manage with food prior to being found? Sanitary conditions must have been bad

I suppose with no food there wouldn't have been much waste after the first couple of days.
But preventing contamination of their water supply would have been important.

ectoraige

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Not to derail the thread Dr, but if the thing couldn't fit through narrow passageways, how could it be considered a good idea?

I'm open minded about Musk's motives, he may not have been consciously looking for publicity and was genuinely trying to help.
But his whole life has been spent trying to generate free publicity for his various enterprises so it should not be any surprise that people are suspicious of his motives.

Other than twitter users, nobody said it didn't fit through the passageway. It is 31cm wide, and the choke point is 38cm. What was said was it wasn't practical for their rescue plan, that doesn't mean it wasn't a viable option, it just means the rescuers were more comfortable with another method. And even if it didn't prove viable, you can't really tell until you test it. It was an idea being considered, and eventually ruled out. I really don't understand the hate.

iguana

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It's such a relief they've been rescued especially as there were talks of having to leave them there for months. Hope they all make a swift recovery. Is the last of them out now? I was only reading it was the coach and a few kids this morning and now that seems to be old news already

The 11th person came out of the cave about half an hour ago. Presumably there is one boy, the coach and the rescue and medical personal still to come.

ectoraige

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How did they manage with food prior to being found? Sanitary conditions must have been bad

It was one of the children's birthdays, they visited the cave to celebrate his birthday and had brought a load of treats and snacks with them. Knowing teenagers, they were probably pretty high-calorie snacks. The coach had also studied as a monk and apparently had the children meditating which would have lowered their energy requirements.

josip

ectoraige wrote: »

Other than twitter users, nobody said it didn't fit through the passageway. It is 31cm wide, and the choke point is 38cm. What was said was it wasn't practical for their rescue plan, that doesn't mean it wasn't a viable option, it just means the rescuers were more comfortable with another method. And even if it didn't prove viable, you can't really tell until you test it. It was an idea being considered, and eventually ruled out. I really don't understand the hate.

If Musk genuinely wanted to help why didn't he just go ahead and help and not tweet about it?
Did the 2 original British divers, the Australian doctor diver and all the others tweet before they left, "On my way to help the kids in Thailand" ?

skepticalme

I've read that the coach was not with them initially but went searching for them in the caves after their parents told him they were missing.
He has kept them alive.
The truth will out eventually.
Delighted for the happy ending. It's been gripping.

Damo 2k9

Reports coming in of All 12 boys AND Coach out of the cave.
Absolutely unbelievable..

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Damo 2k9 wrote: »

Reports coming in of All 12 boys AND Coach out of the cave.
Absolutely unbelievable..

I find it very believable.

murpho999

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The internet. All over twitter.

Why do people always insist on this?

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Lackey

josip wrote: »

If Musk genuinely wanted to help why didn't he just go ahead and help and not tweet about it?
Did the 2 original British divers, the Australian doctor diver and all the others tweet before they left, "On my way to help the kids in Thailand" ?

No but the diver who died trying to help, videod himself boarding the plane saying he was on his way to help bring them home...…

So go on...give the dead diver as much sh!t as Elon Musk

Damo 2k9

josip wrote: »

If Musk genuinely wanted to help why didn't he just go ahead and help and not tweet about it?
Did the 2 original British divers, the Australian doctor diver and all the others tweet before they left, "On my way to help the kids in Thailand" ?

You mean why did he reply to the person who asked him on twitter to reach out and help? If he didn't reply or help out people would be at him for not helping with the resources he has available. He made an actual effort to help and could have potentially saved lives if this didn't go as well as it has, how can you not see the good in it?

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https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=news&q=%23ThamLuangCave&src=tyah
Although its social media, this is a worldwide event and very believable.
Lots more activity with two more ambulances headed towards waiting helicopters.

murpho999

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Because it's easy to find.

Not much to read. Just tweets like below which confirm nothing.

https://twitter.com/JessicaSmalley_/status/1016644008687202305

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Lackey

Reported at the end of This Morning too
All 12 out plus coach

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murpho999

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I don't think you need to "have" Twitter, just go onto the website and search on it. "Thai" is trending and it's very easy to find.

Paddy Cow

ebbsy wrote: »

The divers who found them at the start...they kept on going with no idea how far they had to go or would they even find them.


Amazing people.

John Volanthen and Richard Stanton. Those are the types of people who deserve OBE's, not overpaid celebrities and athletes.

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irishrover99

They are out. All 13. I'm watching it on Thai TV

ectoraige

josip wrote: »

If Musk genuinely wanted to help why didn't he just go ahead and help and not tweet about it?
Did the 2 original British divers, the Australian doctor diver and all the others tweet before they left, "On my way to help the kids in Thailand" ?

Why did my brother post on facebook about his son baking last weekend, but I didn't do the same the weekend before?


Musk genuinely helped, do you think he didn't? In this type of operation, the phrase "better to be looking at something than looking for something" is very applicable. Nobody has ever tried to prepare a random group of malnourised teenagers for kilometers of cave diving, if it proved impossible, another plan was needed.


He collaborated with the people on-scene during the design, and has been thanked by the Thai navy for his assistance, along with all the other teams that helped, such as the pump operators, medical staff, various international divers, and so on. If they can thank him, why can't you?

murpho999

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As nothing was confirmed , it was just reports of them being out.

No snots were had.

irishrover99

https://twitter.com/michaelusher/status/1016641734581760001

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Shpud2

Lads can we not bicker about Twitter and Musk right now when we should be celebrating the amazing achievement of all the kids and the coach getting out alive.

inforfun

miamee

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These days Twitter is often a faster source for news 'as it happens' than traditional press who will still have to compose a story and fact check whereas someone on the scene can just tweet "they're out". You do have to be careful of what the source of the tweet is but this is looking pretty good.

Heroes each and every person who collaborated on the rescue mission and a modern day miracle that they all got out safely.

murpho999

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Bloody hell. What are you trying to achieve?

https://twitter.com/KKTV11News/status/1016647727692673026
https://twitter.com/wsyx6/status/1016647861424021504
https://twitter.com/MetroUK/status/1016647848673337344
https://twitter.com/KMOV/status/1016647717953687553

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Alun

Paddy Cow wrote: »

John Volanthen and Richard Stanton. Those are the types of people who deserve OBE's, not overpaid celebrities and athletes.

Richard Stanton already has an MBE for services to cave diving. They both have medals from the Royal Humane Society for a rescue in France. Though to be honest, knowing a few people who are members of other voluntary rescue services, attention of that sort is usually the last thing they want.

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