They're Alive!!!

Discodog

Conservatory wrote: »

There’s a torrential storm coming they won’t stop for the night , in a dark cave there is no day and night.

They may well of stopped for a break. Maybe to change divers, replace tanks etc. They won't rush this. One cave diver described it as going slower than stopping

Conservatory

What’s the best channel to watch this on.

Blazer

Conservatory wrote: »

What’s the best channel to watch this on.

You won't see anything really. They pushed the media way back.

refusetolose

Conservatory wrote: »

What’s the best channel to watch this on.

sky news is not bad

CeilingFly

Seems Donald Trump has claimed credit for the rescue. (in a tweet of course) - Suppose he wanted to lay claim before Putin did.

anewme

Break now. 10 hours for the next group

dr.fuzzenstein

CeilingFly wrote: »

Seems Donald Trump has claimed credit for the rescue. (in a tweet of course) - Suppose he wanted to lay claim before Putin did.

He's such a media slut.

dr.fuzzenstein

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

He's such a media slut.

The U.S. is working very closely with the Government of Thailand to help get all of the children out of the cave and to safety. Very brave and talented people!


Aye, what an absolute cúnt.

_Dara_

FingerDeKat wrote: »

And they all have an open invite to the world cup final in Russia

Russia grabbing a PR opportunity. :rolleyes:

Malayalam

Looks like 4 out and suspended for 10 hours.

Amirani

Malayalam wrote: »

Looks like 4 out and suspended for 10 hours.

Yep, went through all the oxygen and the rescue divers need a break. Hopefully weather doesn't worsen too much in the interim.

Still, bodes well that they know that the extractions are do-able. Incredible feat already today.

Annd9

_Dara_ wrote: »

Russia grabbing a PR opportunity. :rolleyes:

It's actually Fifa who invited the boys .

Discodog

Malayalam wrote: »

Looks like 4 out and suspended for 10 hours.

Who is saying 4 ? It was 6 earlier

FingerDeKat

_Dara_ wrote: »

Russia grabbing a PR opportunity. :rolleyes:

FIFA invited them not Putin :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Stheno

Discodog wrote: »

Who is saying 4 ? It was 6 earlier

the operations director

acai berry

On BBC News 24, they're saying 4 have been rescued. The boys have been taken immediately in ambulances to hospital, where a special unit of the hospital has been set aside for their treatment. No medical reports available so far. It was decided to take the "weakest" boys out first, depending on their medical condition and skills with scuba diving.

The divers are now going to break for the night so that they can rest and start again in the morning. I think it's 18 divers they say were involved. There's a full team of 90 divers, both Thai and International. Everything suspended now for 10 hours, to allow the personal to rest. The same divers will go back again into the cave tomorrow morning.

That's my summary of what's being reported on BBC News 24.

Tilikum17

So are the lads still back on the ledge or have the stopped on the way through?

acai berry

Tilikum17 wrote: »

So are the lads still back on the ledge or have the stopped on the way through?

4 boys have been rescued and have been taken to hospital. The remaining 9, (8 boys and their Coach) are still on the ledge awaiting rescue.

There will be a 10-hour break and the rescue will start again in the morning, after the teams have rested.

There's still a lot of risk involved with those remaining, even though today's rescue has proved successful.

[Based on what I'm hearing on BBC News 24.]

shakeitoff

The coach is only like 25

kerry cow

Id imagine its the strongest they took first , to test the waters .

Paddy Cow

kerry cow wrote: »

Id imagine its the strongest they took first , to test the waters .

It's reported doctors assessed them and took the weakest out first to get them medical attention.

Westernyelp

kerry cow wrote:

Id imagine its the strongest they took first , to test the waters .

'weakest' boys went first. That leaves 8 and the coach

_Dara_

Annd9 wrote: »

It's actually Fifa who invited the boys .

FingerDeKat wrote: »

FIFA invited them not Putin :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Oh, my apologies. Those paragons of virtue, FIFA, grabbing a PR opportunity.

bobbyss

You would wonder why a full compliment of divers wouldn't go at It without the need of a break.

acai berry

kerry cow wrote: »

Id imagine its the strongest they took first , to test the waters .

It's the "weakest" they took first. That has been confirmed on the BBC News.

Paddy Cow

shakeitoff wrote: »

The coach is only like 25

He lost his parents and spent years training with monks which is probably why he was able to keep the 12 kids calm for 9 days. I wouldn't last 9 hours in the dark never mind 9 without food and 12 kids to take care of :eek:

People can blame him all they want but I've read different things like the warning not to go into the cave is from July to October - they went in June 23rd. Apparently the boys went in first and he went after them. We don't really know what happened but the parents aren't blaming him.

I bet the authorities will be making access to the cave in monsoon season impossible after this.

Stheno

bobbyss wrote: »

You would wonder why a full compliment of divers wouldn't go at It without the need of a break.

90 divers overall are involved between the rescue and support

Will I Am Not

FFS. It’s a nice gesture. If they were into rugby and the equivalent organisation offered them seats at the rugby WC would that be a PR opportunity too?

acai berry

bobbyss wrote: »

You would wonder why a full compliment of divers wouldn't go at It without the need of a break.

There's so much risk involved, they can't risk mistakes being made by over-tired divers and support teams.

So they have suspended all operations now for the night, for 10 hours, so the rescuers can get much needed rest. Also, preparations are being put in place for a new start tomorrow morning,

anewme

The head of the operation has commented that things are going better than expected.

I'd not criticise anyone involved in this operation. They are doing Trojan work and 100% trust their judgement.

If they say they need to break and rest. they need to break and rest.

Amirani

bobbyss wrote: »

You would wonder why a full compliment of divers wouldn't go at It without the need of a break.

There's not enough oxygen I believe. Staging points have to be set up along the route to change tanks during the extractions.

I'd imagine here are also additional complications with having everyone moving at once. If someone encounters an issue, there isn't much space to move and there isn't many rest areas of a similar standard than the one they're at at present.

wexie

bobbyss wrote: »

You would wonder why a full compliment of divers wouldn't go at It without the need of a break.

There are limits to how much diving you can do depending on how deep you are and what you breathe (it's not always just air). If you go over these limits there's risks of all kinds of physical unpleasantness.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Reading-Dive-Tables/

That table is for sports divers in open water, gets a lot more complicated when you're underground and at altitude (although I'm not sure what altitude they are at so it may not be a concern).

It's all to do with how gasses dissolve in your blood stream.

padd b1975

The difficulty of the rescue highlights even more how lucky they were to find them in the first place.

Fantastic work all round from the rescuers.

Tilikum17

padd b1975 wrote: »

The difficulty of the rescue highlights even more how lucky they were to find them in the first place.

Fantastic work all round from the rescuers.

I can’t stop thinking about the bravery of those first two divers that found them.

An I.T consultant for Christ sake.

Paddy Cow

bobbyss wrote: »

You would wonder why a full compliment of divers wouldn't go at It without the need of a break.

Not enough people with the necessary training and knowledge of the cave to have more than one team?

facehugger99

bobbyss wrote: »

You would wonder why a full compliment of divers wouldn't go at It without the need of a break.

He said, brushing the cheeto puff crumbs from his keyboard.

Tilikum17

Tilikum17 wrote: »

I can’t stop thinking about the bravery of those first two divers that found them.

An I.T consultant for Christ sake.

"All right lads, I'm here I'm here. Stop the search stop the search. Right, restart the search. That'll be 100euro, cheers."

acai berry

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Not enough people with the necessary training and knowledge of the cave to have more than one team?

Time doesn't allow for another team to gain the invaluable experience the first team have gained over the last couple of days.

Dr. Bre

Their coming home...

_Dara_

Will I Am Not wrote: »

FFS. It’s a nice gesture. If they were into rugby and the equivalent organisation offered them seats at the rugby WC would that be a PR opportunity too?

It would indeed. They’ll enjoy it but organisations are always thinking of their bottom line. And it might even be too soon for them to travel if they’re weakened.

dr.fuzzenstein

wexie wrote: »

There are limits to how much diving you can do depending on how deep you are and what you breathe (it's not always just air). If you go over these limits there's risks of all kinds of physical unpleasantness.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Reading-Dive-Tables/

That table is for sports divers in open water, gets a lot more complicated when you're underground and at altitude (although I'm not sure what altitude they are at so it may not be a concern).

It's all to do with how gasses dissolve in your blood stream.

I would be surprised if they experienced the kinds of pressures that would force them to take decompression breaks or breath special air mixtures designed for extreme depths. My bet is on regular 200 bar cylinders of compressed air.
The biggest concern for cave diving would be having an emergeny that would force you to surface, which could quickly become a serious problem.

gctest50

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

.....

The biggest concern for cave diving would be having an emergeny that would force you to surface......

Except you've rock above you and it's full to the ceiling

wexie

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I would be surprised if they experienced the kinds of pressures that would force them to take decompression breaks or breath special air mixtures designed for extreme depths. My bet is on regular 200 bar cylinders of compressed air.
The biggest concern for cave diving would be having an emergeny that would force you to surface, which could quickly become a serious problem.

I don't think so either (and to be honest it's been a long time since I've looked at a dive table) but I do remember it's not just the depth but also how much time you spend at that depth. The deeper you go the less time you can spend, but even at shallow depths I believe there's a limit to how long you can dive and how many times you can do it without a break.

Anyways, it's kinda hypothetical unless we know more about how deep and how long.

Stheno

Tilikum17 wrote: »

An I.T consultant for Christ sake.

or one of the top cave divers in the world who has set records for dives and designed equipment to make the sport safer?

The bends come from the pressure caused by the weight of the water above you. I doubt it applies in caves.

Sam Quentin

Heavy rain on site at the moment ffs

wexie

Deleted User wrote: »

The bends come from the pressure caused by the weight of the water above you. I doubt it applies in caves.

Of course it does?! perhaps not in this cave (as it doesn't seem particularly deep) but physics and body chemistry don't change just because there is water as well as rock above you?



http://dynamic.hs.fi/2014/deep/

wexie

wexie wrote: »

Of course it does?! perhaps not in this cave (as it doesn't seem particularly deep) but physics and body chemistry don't change just because there is water as well as rock above you?



http://dynamic.hs.fi/2014/deep/

My intuition is that being in a flooded cave 100m down through it would not have the same pressure as being 100m down in the sea. I feel like the cave is holding the water all the way up.

Can anyone confirm?

Mam of 4

This is so heartwarming that they have four boys out , unbelievable tbh !

And also heart wrenching hoping that the rains don't hinder their plans for tomorrow . Fingers,legs, whatever crossed that this it will be an ending we can all cheer and be delighted for

Will I Am Not

_Dara_ wrote: »

It would indeed. They’ll enjoy it but organisations are always thinking of their bottom line. And it might even be too soon for them to travel if they’re weakened.

So no organisation should ever do anything nice for anybody in case they look like they are only in it for themselves?