Ryanair Strike, Industrial relations discussion Mod note in post 1

CoisFharraige

Padraig Mor wrote: »

CoisFharraige wrote: »

My point is that you cannot quote the salary of a captain who's been working for 20 years in the company and label it as 'this is what our pilots across the network enjoy', when it's a ridiculously tiny minority! Do you not see how unrepresentative that is of all pilots? x

I was under the impression that the striking pilots were the most senior of the Irish staff and all/most captains? Thus, if your suggestions are correct (and of course you have no clue whether they are or not), would the pay slips not be at least somewhat representative of the striking pilots?

Do I not have a clue? God I didn’t know that. No, the payslips are not representative of what a ryanair captain with or without sector pay and allowances earns. Doesn’t bother me if you believe me or not.

Peter File

BBG wrote: »

I was taking my scouts on annual camp to Switzerland (flying to Belgium) on the 3rd August. 1 years's planning & fund raising could be down the drain. Currently looking into other options but I have no idea where to start. :eek:

Any suggestions more than welcome!

It is only flights to the U.K that have been affected so far so you should be ok

A319er

Today FR evening Brussels flight cancelled due cab in crew strike in Belgium,
Impact is more than U.K. , hopefully all the striking countries and management
Will resolve there issues by August, I can only suggest looking at coach ferry option for a group that nay be price sensitive, good luck.

CoisFharraige

https://twitter.com/BALPApilots/status/1022138028654034945 Really interesting tweet by BALPA. They clearly state that despite the meaningless 'recognition agreement' with Ryanair, they've yet to actually get any sort of negotiation from management! Really brings an end to Ryanair's whole ''Why can't Irish pilots negotiate with us like the UK?'' when they've just dismissed BALPA's proposals. The hypocrisy is actually surreal to me! Ask one crowd, 'Hey, why can't you be like them? They're enjoying union negotiations with us and are making great progress!' and then turning to the British pilots and saying 'Ridiculous, we're not taking those proposals'. I mean who are they fooling?

Mebuntu

Well, at least they didn't, so far anyway, immediately rush into getting their placards out and ruining the travel plans of their customers unlike their Irish counterparts. (touching mountains of wood )

"We have submitted several proposals, including ones to bring an end to a fragmented pay structure, reduce the number of contract pilots and the acceptance of seniority. Ryanair has so far failed to accept any of these proposals."

It is very hard to see how this can ever be satisfactorily resolved IF the airline believes that giving into these demands is going to cause damage to a business model that has proved so successful.

Peter File

CoisFharraige wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BALPApilots/status/1022138028654034945 Really interesting tweet by BALPA. They clearly state that despite the meaningless 'recognition agreement' with Ryanair, they've yet to actually get any sort of negotiation from management! Really brings an end to Ryanair's whole ''Why can't Irish pilots negotiate with us like the UK?'' when they've just dismissed BALPA's proposals. The hypocrisy is actually surreal to me! Ask one crowd, 'Hey, why can't you be like them? They're enjoying union negotiations with us and are making great progress!' and then turning to the British pilots and saying 'Ridiculous, we're not taking those proposals'. I mean who are they fooling?

The company does not have to accept any proposals from a union recognised or not. The unions don't run the airline

CoisFharraige

Peter File wrote: »

The company does not have to accept any proposals from a union recognised or not. The unions don't run the airline

I never said they do. As someone who's parents' company was shafted by unions I'd like to think I have a good insight into both sides. Of course they don't have to accept them, that's not what I'm saying. I'm remarking at the fact that they're meaninglessly recognising these unions and trying to spin off a completely false picture of themselves all whilst playing bully games with crews.

LuckyLloyd

Employees are fully entitled to exploit perceived leverage; employers are fully entitled to refuse those demands. Who will blink first here? Ryanair are obviously hoping that the disconnected nature of unions in different states within which they operate will be crucial.

The only thing that's obvious to me is that booking a flight with Ryanair right now is madness. Plenty of competition out there to choose from.

billy few mates

I don't think too many of the pilots would be too bothered about the latest escalation, it may well suit any of them who might be thinking of moving on anyway as redundancy will mean a nice pay off.
It's not like they wouldn't have foreseen this action before they voted for strike.
Redundancy is a highly regulated process, by law it will have to be transparent, they must know they can't arbitrarily select people for redundancy without following a strict set of protocols and they certainly can't use it as a method of 'settling scores' against people who engages in a lawful industrial action.
It also makes it very interesting for those people on training bonds, if you're made redundant your training bond is wiped out, also from a legal point of view I don't believe a company can hold you to a training bond while at the same time placing you on protective notice, ie they can't threaten to take away your job and at the same time stop you from leaving it!
They'll also be aware that it's the job that becomes redundant not the person, employment law doesn't allow you to make someone redundant and then replace them with someone else because then it would be considered constructive dismissal.
The union have had seven months to prepare for this series of strikes, one would imagine every possible reaction would have been considered and planned for, today's announcement would have been no surprise.

Brendan Bendar

CoisFharraige wrote: »

I never said they do. As someone who's parents' company was shafted by unions I'd like to think I have a good insight into both sides. Of course they don't have to accept them, that's not what I'm saying. I'm remarking at the fact that they're meaninglessly recognising these unions and trying to spin off a completely false picture of themselves all whilst playing bully games with crews.

Playing bully games.

And the unions are are not playing “bully games” with the company?

And the passengers?

A little less emotive language and you might garner some sympathy.

northknife

Was just thinking and maybe its been mentioned here before, but as all other Ryanair employees outside of Ireland are on Irish contracts and terms of employment, would that mean that those striking in Spain and Portugal wouldn't have to adhere to their own countries laws about maintaining a reasonable service to the public whilst on strike.


If this was the case then the unions could cause massive disruption to the Ryanair service.

CoisFharraige

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Playing bully games.

And the unions are are not playing “bully games” with the company?

And the passengers?

A little less emotive language and you might garner some sympathy.

I'm not sure if you're aware of some of the things Ryanair has done to its crew, harrasment, bullying, exploitation etc. I think that they far outweigh what the union is doing with the airline. Not wishing to garner any sympathy from you but appreciate your concern.

CoisFharraige

CoisFharraige wrote: »

I'm not sure if you're aware of some of the things Ryanair has done to its crew, harrasment, bullying, exploitation etc. I think that they far outweigh what the union is doing with the airline. Not wishing to garner any sympathy from you but appreciate your concern.

If they cannot stand the heat, what the hell are they doing staying in the kitchen??

Brendan Bendar

CoisFharraige wrote: »

I'm not sure if you're aware of some of the things Ryanair has done to its crew, harrasment, bullying, exploitation etc. I think that they far outweigh what the union is doing with the airline. Not wishing to garner any sympathy from you but appreciate your concern.

When are these cases coming to court.?

CoisFharraige

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

When are these cases coming to court.?

Ryanair loses EU court battle to keep Irish law for crew abroad - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ryanair-crew-court/ryanair-loses-eu-court-battle-to-keep-irish-law-for-crew-abroad-idUSKCN1BP0VM

Ryanair made injured employee pay for flight home after fall and offer no medical assistance - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/ryanair-made-injured-employee-pay-for-flight-home-after-fall-1.3561338

Ryanair fires 4 crew members who refused to fly due to fatigue after a 13hr shift being extended to 16hrs - https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0713/978358-ryanair/

Bob24

I'd be interested in knowing how many of the people who call Ryanair a decent employer here would actually take a job with the company in their own line of work without being forced to.

Working in IT myself and I have a few times received LinkedIn emails with jobs at Ryanair in my area of expertise - and just that employer name is enough for me to not even consider the job because from what I know about the company I am fairly sure it would be a very bad work environement (it is not the only company which would have that effect, but they are in a minority). And I suspect that if it came to their own personal life most posters on here would feel the same.

rivegauche

billy few mates wrote: »

I don't think too many of the pilots would be too bothered about the latest escalation, it may well suit any of them who might be thinking of moving on anyway as redundancy will mean a nice pay off.

You aren't much a mind-reader. The pilots would now be sweating and thinking what other airline in Dublin Airport will hire a 737 pilot or am I going to have to relocate to US/Europe/China/Middle East, join another airline at the very end of a long seniority queue...or do you think Norwegian is going to hire them all to fly to Stewart?
what is the statutory redundancy? 2 weeks per year of service. That won't go far when there are monthly PCPs and mortgages on houses needing to be paid.

P_1

TBH I don't think it's fair on the cabin crew here. I mean I'd imagine the pilots can afford to take the hit on losing a days pay but can the cabin crew who has had no say on them losing a day's pay in this instance?

billy few mates

rivegauche wrote: »

You aren't much a mind-reader. The pilots would now be sweating and thinking what other airline in Dublin Airport will hire a 737 pilot or am I going to have to relocate to US/Europe/China/Middle East, join another airline at the very end of a long seniority queue...or do you think Norwegian is going to hire them all to fly to Stewart?
what is the statutory redundancy? 2 weeks per year of service. That won't go far when there are monthly PCPs and mortgages on houses needing to be paid.

I guess they’ll probably call off the strike for Friday week so...?

Mebuntu

Just been watching The Tonight Show on TV3

Not much sympathy from the panel for the striking pilots there except, predictably, from some bloke labelled as being from "Solidarity". He says he was on the picket line and discovered that the pilots were far from earning 200K. 80K was more like it and he doesn't want to be flying through thunderstorms with, wait for it, "yellowpack pilots" at the controls!

ted1

Mebuntu wrote: »

Just been watching The Tonight Show on TV3

Not much sympathy from the panel for the striking pilots there except, predictably, from some bloke labelled as being from "Solidarity". He says he was on the picket line and discovered that the pilots were far from earning 200K. 80K was more like it and he doesn't want to be flying through thunderstorms with, wait for it, "yellowpack pilots" at the controls!

If they deny it then let’s see the present a p60 or payslip.

Of course they’ll down play their earnings.

Yeah.... Id wonder if Mick Barry from Solidarity coming out in support of the pilots is a good thing or a sign of doom for their campaign :pac:

Brendan Bendar

CoisFharraige wrote: »

Ryanair loses EU court battle to keep Irish law for crew abroad - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ryanair-crew-court/ryanair-loses-eu-court-battle-to-keep-irish-law-for-crew-abroad-idUSKCN1BP0VM

Ryanair made injured employee pay for flight home after fall and offer no medical assistance - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/ryanair-made-injured-employee-pay-for-flight-home-after-fall-1.3561338

Ryanair fires 4 crew members who refused to fly due to fatigue after a 13hr shift being extended to 16hrs - https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0713/978358-ryanair/

Hmm I note Ryanair dispute two of those issues and to be honest every big airline would have a series of court cases like that.

That said they seem to have a major staff morale issue.

Wouldn’t be an outfit I’d like to work for.

Brendan Bendar

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Yeah.... Id wonder if Mick Barry from Solidarity coming out in support of the pilots is a good thing or a sign of doom for their campaign :pac:

Barry and his cohort were on every picket line up to this, and they will be on every picket line in the future, so it basically means nothing.

notharrypotter

ted1 wrote: »

If they deny it then let’s see the present a p60 or payslip.

Of course they’ll down play their earnings.

Not to downplay your argument but producing a P60 or payslip will solve nothing.


In my employment should there be a dispute one of the first things my employer will do is "selectively" leak earnings.
There are about 10/15 of my colleagues who do a significant amount of overtime.


Their salaries would be quoted as the "norm" an most commentators will not bother with trying to see where the real "norm" exists.


Far too often commentators judge without knowing much of the intricate detail of a dispute.
Often "Experts" may have general knowledge of the industry but a peripheral knowledge of what actually happening between the parties involved.



People love soundbites and banner headlines.
Far easier than having to read several pages of detail.

Mebuntu

Interesting article in the Irish Times this morning by a director of Goodbody Stockbrokers:

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/ryanair-must-stand-strong-against-strikers-1.3576221

notharrypotter

Mebuntu wrote: »

Interesting article in the Irish Times this morning by a director of Goodbody Stockbrokers:

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/ryanair-must-stand-strong-against-strikers-1.3576221

Last line of said article

Joe Gill is director of corporate broking with Goodbody Stockbrokers. His views are personal

Proof positive of "Experts" who get quoted, while may have some knowledge of the industry and are good for a soundbite or two,

strettyend

Think this strike is going to escalate big time. can see other unions in other countries following suit and rightly so. Ryanair staff have had poor working conditions (to say the least) for many years and had no voice. Finally they are standing up to ryanair and demanding what is rightfully theirs. Ryanair threatening to pull aircraft out of dulin is typical ryanair bullying tactics but if they think they will frighten the union off they are making a big mistake.

rivegauche

billy few mates wrote: »

I guess they’ll probably call off the strike for Friday week so...?

Strategically, it might be best. Amongst the previous Strikers are a portion who absolutely can't afford to be looking for a new position or moving abroad and they will be top of the queue to make themselves available for duty on the day of the next strike. If the number of picketers drops from 100 to 50 then that looks bad for the Union.
I wouldn't have called that additional day of strike but then again I'm not an Aer Lingus shop steward so my point of view isn't the same as that of the people who are directing strategy within the Pilots group in Ryanair.

marvin80

strettyend wrote: »

Think this strike is going to escalate big time. can see other unions in other countries following suit and rightly so. Ryanair staff have had poor working conditions (to say the least) for many years and had no voice. Finally they are standing up to ryanair and demanding what is rightfully theirs. Ryanair threatening to pull aircraft out of dulin is typical ryanair bullying tactics but if they think they will frighten the union off they are making a big mistake.

I can't see it ending well for either side to be honest. Have flights booked in September with Ryanair but any other flights I require I'll be looking elsewhere, which is a pity because I was always happy with their service and especially their prices.

Padraig Mor

CoisFharraige wrote: »

Do I not have a clue? God I didn’t know that.

No, you don't seem to. You say that "Regarding the payslips, I can guarantee you that they are all from the base captains / extremely high-ranked pilots in each base but, let's face it, you can't guarantee this can you? In fact, you have no idea whose payslips they are? Your posts clearly show you to be a union lickspittle who will deny any truth which you don't like. I'm not naive enough to think that the posted payslips represent average pay (~€200k) for the strikers, but I'd have little hesitation believing that the average is €130k - €150k. Plenty of people have little sympathy for such well paid (note I did not say overpaid) people attacking the travelling public and their own lesser paid colleagues in order to feather their nest a bit more.

No, the payslips are not representative of what a ryanair captain with or without sector pay and allowances earns. Doesn’t bother me if you believe me or not.

If they're not representative of what a captain earns, whose payslips are they then? Did Ryanair fake them? Are they Mick's?

CoisFharraige

Padraig Mor wrote: »

No, you don't seem to. You say that "Regarding the payslips, I can guarantee you that they are all from the base captains / extremely high-ranked pilots in each base but, let's face it, you can't guarantee this can you? In fact, you have no idea whose payslips they are? Your posts clearly show you to be a union lickspittle who will deny any truth which you don't like. I'm not naive enough to think that the posted payslips represent average pay (~€200k) for the strikers, but I'd have little hesitation believing that the average is €130k - €150k. Plenty of people have little sympathy for such well paid (note I did not say overpaid) people attacking the travelling public and their own lesser paid colleagues in order to feather their nest a bit more.

If they're not representative of what a captain earns, whose payslips are they then? Did Ryanair fake them? Are they Mick's?

Yes, I can guarantee that they are from the top-earning pilots in each base, because the top of the scale (TRE, LTC, BC) maxes out at €155,500. A non LTC (so the vast majority) will, with all allowances, productivity bonuses (don't call in sick!), and sector pay be about €80/90k short of O'Leary's quoted 200K salary p.a. (These figures are readily available if you know where to look.)


So, I'll say again, no they are not representative of what a captain earns. If the max a captain can go is the bottom of the ''O'Leary scale'', then I hope that answers it for you. I'm not saying that they aren't incredibly well paid, but what I am saying is that Ryanair is publishing completely misleading facts about their crews to the public, once again showcasing their blame game.

LeChienMefiant

CoisFharraige wrote: »

(These figures are readily available if you know where to look.)

Why keep them secret so? Enlighten us.

Turnipman

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Barry and his cohort were on every picket line up to this, and they will be on every picket line in the future, so it basically means nothing.

When there are two pickets on at the same time, does Barry employ a body double?

Turnipman

CoisFharraige wrote: »

Yes, I can guarantee that they are from the top-earning pilots in each base, because the top of the scale (TRE, LTC, BC) maxes out at €155,500. A non LTC (so the vast majority) will, with all allowances, productivity bonuses (don't call in sick!)
.....
what I am saying is that Ryanair is publishing completely misleading facts about their crews to the public, once again showcasing their blame game.

If you're sick then you shouldn't be flying a plane.

And if you're implicitly suggesting that Ryanair obliges sick pilots to fly aircraft (which is evidently in breach of some pretty basic health and safety regulations) then you'd better be 100% certain of your facts.

But perhaps you're just helping your Forsa pals with some sympathetic spin?

CoisFharraige

Turnipman wrote: »

If you're sick then you shouldn't be flying a plane.

And if you're implicitly suggesting that Ryanair obliges sick pilots to fly aircraft (which is evidently in breach of some pretty basic health and safety regulations) then you'd better be 100% certain of your facts.

But perhaps you're just helping your Forsa pals with some sympathetic spin?

I didn't say or suggest that. I implied that you won't get your productivity bonus if you call in sick. I would have presumed that most people here would be aware of the abuse/threats whatever you want to call it, just look at any documentary ever made on them, and there are several pilots admitting that they have flown sick/fatigued due to threatened disciplinary action.

Let's take this as an example, the 4 cabin crew who were fired because they weren't allowed to decide whether or not they can operate due to fatigue according to their manager https://prnt.sc/kb9ae9 And before you suggest that there's a difference between cabin crew and pilots, the principle is the same - denying your crew the choice to not operate (even FOs cannot decide).

LeChienMefiant

CoisFharraige wrote: »

Let's take this as an example, the 4 cabin crew who were fired because they weren't allowed to decide whether or not they can operate due to fatigue according to their manager https://prnt.sc/kb9ae9 And before you suggest that there's a difference between cabin crew and pilots, the principle is the same - denying your crew the choice to not operate (even FOs cannot decide).

That's not what the memo says.

billy few mates

rivegauche wrote: »

Strategically, it might be best. Amongst the previous Strikers are a portion who absolutely can't afford to be looking for a new position or moving abroad and they will be top of the queue to make themselves available for duty on the day of the next strike. If the number of picketers drops from 100 to 50 then that looks bad for the Union.
I wouldn't have called that additional day of strike but then again I'm not an Aer Lingus shop steward so my point of view isn't the same as that of the people who are directing strategy within the Pilots group in Ryanair.

There won't be any redundancies, they have an expanding fleet and a shortage of pilots, they wouldn't be allowed to make anyone redundant while at the same time actively recruiting.
Ironically enough if they were to reduce pilot numbers the contractors would be first to go. There wouldn't be a union in any industry that would stand idly by while permanent employees were being laid off while there was a single contractor on the books. Thats the whole raison d'etre for employing contractors in the first place...

LeChienMefiant

billy few mates wrote: »

There won't be any redundancies, they have an expanding fleet and a shortage of pilots, they wouldn't be allowed to make anyone redundant while at the same time actively recruiting.

Ireland and Poland are different markets/jurisdictions. Also, it's obvious that their business is being affected so there are genuine reasons.

billy few mates wrote: »

Ironically enough if they were to reduce pilot numbers the contractors would be first to go. There wouldn't be a union in any industry that would stand idly by while permanent employees were being laid off while there was a single contractor on the books. Thats the whole raison d'etre for employing contractors in the first place...

Contractors should be more footloose I would expect. Also, there is no direct cost (other than replacement) in letting them go.

billy few mates

LeChienMefiant wrote: »

Ireland and Poland are different markets/jurisdictions. Also, it's obvious that their business is being affected so there are genuine reasons.

Contractors should be more footloose I would expect. Also, there is no direct cost (other than replacement) in letting them go.

I'm sure there are genuine reasons and the company can obviously do whatever they feel they must to deal with the situation. I'm just pointing out the fact that they can't make pilots redundant while they're actively recruiting for pilots and if the time ever comes that they have to reduce pilot numbers they can only start reducing permanent employees once they've got rid of the contract staff.
In this industry contractors have always been a barometer of job security for permanent employees, ie as long as there are contractors on the books the permanent positions are secure.
If they're employed on Irish contracts Irish employment law applies regardless of the base or market..

rivegauche

billy few mates wrote: »

There won't be any redundancies, they have an expanding fleet and a shortage of pilots, they wouldn't be allowed to make anyone redundant while at the same time actively recruiting.
Ironically enough if they were to reduce pilot numbers the contractors would be first to go. There wouldn't be a union in any industry that would stand idly by while permanent employees were being laid off while there was a single contractor on the books. Thats the whole raison d'etre for employing contractors in the first place...

If my company could make members of my team on Irish contracts in Ireland redundant while hiring for the same team in Germany then Ryanair definitely can make employees redundant in Ireland.
Their expanding fleet can be placed in another jurisdiction and fly in to Ireland to service Irish routes through the day and pilots are replaceable if Ryanair are willing to pay market or above market terms and conditions which they appear to be willing to do now for flexible staff.

billy few mates

rivegauche wrote: »

If my company could make members of my team on Irish contracts in Ireland redundant while hiring for the same team in Germany then Ryanair definitely can make employees redundant in Ireland.
Their expanding fleet can be placed in another jurisdiction and fly in to Ireland to service Irish routes through the day and pilots are replaceable if Ryanair are willing to pay market or above market terms and conditions which they appear to be willing to do now for flexible staff.

I'm guessing the event you describe above only happened in your head in an attempt to to give credibility to your argument on the internet because its a clear breach of redundancy legislation in Ireland.
There are a strict set of criteria that must be observed before an employer can make anyone redundant and selecting people for redundancy for having taken part in a legal industrial dispute is not allowed.
Also, as I've said before it's the job that becomes redundant so you can't get rid of 100 people and replace them with 100 other people. It's a thin line between redundancy and unfair (or constructive) dismissal.
This isn't opinion or rhetoric, it's fact but don't take my word for it, inform yourself...

rivegauche

No. didn't happen in my head. I'm the only Paddy left in the organisation.

billy few mates

rivegauche wrote: »

No. didn't happen in my head. I'm the only Paddy left in the organisation.

I'm sure there's a very interesting but irrelevant story in there somewhere, you should totally start another thread to tell us all about it some day. I'm just trying to point out the events you describe (real or imagined) couldn't happen in this situation...

LeChienMefiant

billy few mates wrote: »

I'm sure there's a very interesting but irrelevant story in there somewhere, you should totally start another thread to tell us all about it some day. I'm just trying to point out the events you describe (real or imagined) couldn't happen in this situation...

Has happened in my organisation too. Jobs moved to UK. They may or may not be the same jobs in the strictest legal sense. But for all intents and purposes they are the same jobs.

billy few mates

LeChienMefiant wrote: »

Has happened in my organisation too. Jobs moved to UK. They may or may not be the same jobs in the strictest legal sense. But for all intents and purposes they are the same jobs.

That's all covered by Irish and EU law (Protection of Employees on Transfer of Undertakings) Regulations 2003), they can move the jobs wherever they want but they have to offer the employees the option to take up those jobs.
In this case I'm explaining why there won't be any redundancies.

LeChienMefiant

billy few mates wrote: »

That's all covered by Irish and EU law (Protection of Employees on Transfer of Undertakings) Regulations 2003), they can move the jobs wherever they want but they have to offer the employees the option to take up those jobs.
In this case I'm explaining why there won't be any redundancies.

I believe this may have happened in my organisation. Didn't Ryanair already say they were offering the Polish jobs to Irish staff? This was in the original announcement.

billy few mates

LeChienMefiant wrote: »

I believe this may have happened in my organisation. Didn't Ryanair already say they were offering the Polish jobs to Irish staff? This was in the original announcement.

Nothing new in that then, this is something they've always been able to do and have done in the past to respond to seasonal demand and changing markets.
Some people are getting hysterical about redundancies.

rivegauche

...and you are too blasé.
these are peoples' livelyhoods and they've been led on a merry dance by outsiders who wish to inflict pain on Ryanair as a company.
There are two types of Socialists; those who want to improve the lot of the poor and disadvantaged and those who want to drag the big man down. Which are you.

billy few mates

rivegauche wrote: »

...and you are too blasé.
these are peoples' livelyhoods and they've been led on a merry dance by outsiders who wish to inflict pain on Ryanair as a company.
There are two types of Socialists; those who want to improve the lot of the poor and disadvantaged and those who want to drag the big man down. Which are you.

Wasn't that you that was warning them they were never going to see their children again if they went on strike just a few pages back...?
Weren't you warned about trolling back then and asked to leave...?