Sites and Siblings.

Dinzee Conlee

Grueller wrote: »

Frankly I see no disparity. Either are only the tools needed to make a living.

Well then - would you say your education was working at home with your parents, and at the end of the 4 years, you should go out and buy a farm yourself?

I don’t believe the arguement of ‘farming is low income, so someone should get the farm and the others should get nothing’

What if your siblings also wanted to do something low income? Should they get the same supports?

Dakota Dan

whelan2 wrote: »

Or he'd have the girls at home doing the cooking and cleaning

If they had any sense they would stay as far away as possible from him never mind building on the farm

wrangler

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Well then - would you say your education was working at home with your parents, and at the end of the 4 years, you should go out and buy a farm yourself?

I don’t believe the arguement of ‘farming is low income, so someone should get the farm and the others should get nothing’

What if your siblings also wanted to do something low income? Should they get the same supports?

No one should have a sense of entitlement, it's the parents gift to give, they should do what they like.
It's nice to see the right family member farming with them as they get less able to do it, but in a lot of cases it's not Uthopia either.
It was hard to lease out here but talking to some farmers, I wouldn't have the patience for the bickering that goes on in partnerships.
Anyway going back on track here, my own opinion is that farmland shouldn't be built on, building a ghetto on the bottom of a lane that's not able for the traffic is a nightmare and farmers should be made aware of the consequences of giving permission for building on private roads.

J.O. Farmer

Hard Knocks wrote: »

There’s 3 generations in the house his father built.
If the new farmer builds a new house, what happens the old 1?
Down the road there’s a farm with 3 houses belonging to last 3 generations, only newest is occupied all good houses

3 generations in one house. Is this the Waltons. Nowadays each generation needs their space.

Sure even non farming families there's tensions with adult children and their partners moving back in.

I'm guessing if there'd be 3 generations needing a house they're all adults so what happens when generation 4 comes along in the near future. If it's the old man his offspring and the 3rd generation in nappies he's being presumptuous to assume he'll live to see the generation in nappies both grown enough to need a house and wanting to live on the land.

There should be at least 2 houses. If it's a good house and there's a new generation coming along someone will live in it. If there's not the whole lot will be sold and somebody will live in it.

Grueller

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Well then - would you say your education was working at home with your parents, and at the end of the 4 years, you should go out and buy a farm yourself?

No. A big part of the reason that farm has been constantly expanding is due to my labour that was put into that farm out of a will to see the farm do well and I took no monetary reward cor years of that.

I don’t believe the arguement of ‘farming is low income, so someone should get the farm and the others should get nothing’

What if your siblings also wanted to do something low income? Should they get the same supports?

My siblings are not low income, but they had their education paid for by the graft of others on the farm. 1 of them got a site. The other three got a cash lump sum gifted from my parents when building their houses. I would say that is support enough.

A question for yourself. The point was made above that the farm is huge asset that can be sold. I do nlt know of one farm that was left to a sole child over others that just sold it in the manner that is suggested. Do you know of many cases like that?

Dinzee Conlee

Grueller wrote: »

My siblings are not low income, but they had their education paid for by the graft of others on the farm. 1 of them got a site. The other three got a cash lump sum gifted from my parents when building their houses. I would say that is support enough.

A question for yourself. The point was made above that the farm is huge asset that can be sold. I do nlt know of one farm that was left to a sole child over others that just sold it in the manner that is suggested. Do you know of many cases like that?

A site and a lump sum is fair to be honest... I think that’s all can be done for anyone...

To answer your question - I know of one farm where it was sold after transfer, it was very bad circumstances, but I take your point...

And, oddly enough, I know of a few cases, where no one wants the farm... as to take it, would be considered a poisoned chalice of sorts... my siblings certainly want nothing to do with the farm

I just think as a poster above say - no one is automatically entitled to either a farm or a site... it should be discussed with parents and all siblings and worked out...

Dickie10

my brother thinks one off houses are a bit of a disasster. he belives they should be in little cluster estates of between 5-8 houses. all using the one water supply all one septic tank/sewage system etc. i was in killlarney and seen one of these , had a private entrance and all looked very nice. now i wonder if you bought a 20 acre field for 200,000 and you were pretty sure that you could get planning for this type of thing, im sure you could get 5 nice sized houses on 3 acres. if you made 50k on each house profit. you would come out with 250k profit and have 17 acres paid for. with 50 k profit

arctictree

Dickie10 wrote: »

my brother thinks one off houses are a bit of a disasster. he belives they should be in little cluster estates of between 5-8 houses. all using the one water supply all one septic tank/sewage system etc. i was in killlarney and seen one of these , had a private entrance and all looked very nice. now i wonder if you bought a 20 acre field for 200,000 and you were pretty sure that you could get planning for this type of thing, im sure you could get 5 nice sized houses on 3 acres. if you made 50k on each house profit. you would come out with 250k profit and have 17 acres paid for. with 50 k profit

The only way you would get planning for that is if it was in an area zoned for housing ie within town limits. Good idea but not a hope under our current planning laws/process.

Angus2018

They do something like that in the German countryside. All the fields were square or rectangular and every so often you'd see a group of houses all together instead of dotted around the place. It was much cleaner looking and I'm sure better for water, sewage etc

charolais0153

Angus2018 wrote: »

They do something like that in the German countryside. All the fields were square or rectangular and every so often you'd see a group of houses all together instead of dotted around the place. It was much cleaner looking and I'm sure better for water, sewage etc

Im nearly sure that youre on about the polders in the Netherlands

arctictree

I could just imagine the fit a planner would have in Wicklow if they got an application in for 10 houses in a field in the countryside. Hard enough the hoops you have to jump through to get one.

Bullocks

arctictree wrote: »

I could just imagine the fit a planner would have in Wicklow if they got an application in for 10 houses in a field in the countryside. Hard enough the hoops you have to jump through to get one.

I would consider looking for planning like that in a spot we have . It makes sense really but I'd say the neighbours rather than the planners that mightn't like it

FeelTheBern

Angus2018 wrote: »

They do something like that in the German countryside. All the fields were square or rectangular and every so often you'd see a group of houses all together instead of dotted around the place. It was much cleaner looking and I'm sure better for water, sewage etc

Came across little clusters of houses with farmyards like that in South Kilkenny. Smaller than a village with each yard almost opening onto the other. Don't know what the history is behind it but saw few of them round there but never anywhere else

TooOldBoots

Irish countryside is destroyed by one off houses, most of them are huge in your face and alien to the countryside. I see many farms around me where sites were given to the sibblings which left the farms in tatters. Narrow country roads unable to cope with the traffic. No places for cars to pass. No services available. Its a mess.
If you feel you must give something then why not help them buy in the local town or village.
Ireland has gone full circle where one time the children helped out, nowadays it seems that they all have a sense of entitlement to the parents hard earned.

Dickie10

maybe all siblings joint venture of a mini estate, build 5 houses or 3 and room for two more sites in a place like this? the farmer could then get 10 acres or whatever free from the setup

Bullocks

Dickie10 wrote: »

maybe all siblings joint venture of a mini estate, build 5 houses or 3 and room for two more sites in a place like this? the farmer could then get 10 acres or whatever free from the setup

Two lads beside us did that. They put 5 monsters of houses in it. Sold three, had a few quid left over and had fine houses for themselves