Dogs on Beaches

c68zapdsm5i1ru

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Not everybody else's fault you raised a wuss

Are people who are afraid of heights, mice, spiders, enclosed spaces also wusses?

c68zapdsm5i1ru

I was walking in Palmerston Park in Rathmines yesterday. There is a clear sign on the gate saying that dogs must be kept on a lead. Not one dog in the park at the time was actually on a lead. They were all just running around.

Why do dog owners not realise that public spaces have to be shared, and not everyone welcomes strange dogs running around them?
Or perhaps they're arrogant sods who've decided that anyone who's uncomfortable around dogs is a wuss so they will just ignore the rules.

iamwhoiam

There is a reason why dogs should be kept on a lead and the poo bagged and disposed off . If people all did that there would be no need to ban them
I sat on Rush beach last week and at least three dogs off leads came sniffing around .

_feedback_

pocketse wrote: »

Again, its not my fault a child has a fear. That is the parent and child issue and while I sympathies with it i shouldn't have to change my behaviour because of your fear.

Agree totally.. I think if a parent is aware of a childs fear of dogs, they should be doing everything possible to tackle it. It's a horrible fear to have. Dogs are everywhere, and they are also so loving and adorable.

I know a person of a similar age to me, who when visiting anyone with a dog, asks for them to be locked up. They have a fear themselves that they have carried for many years, and their child now also has a fear of dogs.

It's not a good fear for someone to grow up with.

Having said all that, dogs shouldn't be allowed run loose either. To ban them completely from a beach is daft.

Cocobeans101

Will I Am Not wrote: »

I love the hypocrisy of dog owners going on about parents being precious over their kids.

The two are hardly mutually exclusive.

It's not the preciousness of the child, it's the ridiculousness of banning dogs as some children are afraid of dogs. Where would it end?

If you loved your child, you would go out of your way to end the fear of dogs. Dogs are everywhere, it will affect the child for it's whole life.

Bracken81

The irony in this thread is hilarious

Dogs and their owners, who use the same beaches, open spaces and parks 80% of the year, hurricane season and all
Being asked to leave these areas, for families who might use the space 3% of the whole year at a big push!


NB: I'm not a parent nor a dog owner

c68zapdsm5i1ru

The dog owners are being asked not to bring their dogs to the beach between certain hours at a certain time of the year when there will be a lot of people using the beach.
They are not being banned from the beach themselves.

The fact that they live near the beach and/or use it all year around does not mean they can ruin it for others during the Summer season. in fact it's quite a selfish attitude. It's just a few weeks of the year that they can't bring their dogs down 24/7. Is that really such a big ask? Every one owns the beaches, not just the dog owners,

Cocobeans101

Sandra Clever Schoolgirl wrote: »

The dog owners are being asked not to bring their dogs to the beach between certain hours at a certain time of the year when there will be a lot of people using the beach.
They are not being banned from the beach themselves.

The fact that they live near the beach and/or use it all year around does not mean they can ruin it for others during the Summer season. in fact it's quite a selfish attitude. It's just a few weeks of the year that they can't bring their dogs down 24/7. Is that really such a big ask? Every one owns the beaches, not just the dog owners,

Why can't humans share the beach with dogs. Yes, dog sh1t is unacceptable but otherwise what’s the issue? What harm are the dogs actually doing? And no harm if kept on leesh.

Cocobeans101

Sandra Clever Schoolgirl wrote: »

The dog owners are being asked not to bring their dogs to the beach between certain hours at a certain time of the year when there will be a lot of people using the beach.
They are not being banned from the beach themselves.

The fact that they live near the beach and/or use it all year around does not mean they can ruin it for others during the Summer season. in fact it's quite a selfish attitude. It's just a few weeks of the year that they can't bring their dogs down 24/7. Is that really such a big ask? Every one owns the beaches, not just the dog owners,

Why can't humans share the beach with dogs. Yes, dog sh1t is unacceptable but otherwise what’s the issue? What harm are the dogs actually doing? And no harm if kept on leash.

meeeeh

Do people also protest if they are not allowed to bring dog to work or to a restaurant etc. Why is so hard to understand that dogs are not entitled to be wherever their owners want them to be. Go to a beach that allows dogs.

Bracken81

I think it is a major ask! Your asking to ban dogs from public spaces
Wheres does it stop? What will we ban next and Who will enforce all this?


Like i said already, Im not even a dog owner...........i just think this a is a ridiculous idea

Sandra Clever Schoolgirl wrote: »

The dog owners are being asked not to bring their dogs to the beach between certain hours at a certain time of the year when there will be a lot of people using the beach.
They are not being banned from the beach themselves.

The fact that they live near the beach and/or use it all year around does not mean they can ruin it for others during the Summer season. in fact it's quite a selfish attitude. It's just a few weeks of the year that they can't bring their dogs down 24/7. Is that really such a big ask? Every one owns the beaches, not just the dog owners,

charlietheminxx

On hot days, pretty much the only place my friend can walk her pug is the beach, because the pavement is too hot for its paws and flat nosed dogs overheat very easily. The cool sand and a paddle in the water is the only way she can exercise the dog. We both live very near the beach and being able to take the dogs down is one of the appeals of living here.

People have to look after their pets and a ban on dogs is just silly. I agree in the requirement to keep dogs on lead in busy public places, and in enforcing fines for the arseholes who don’t clean up after their pets, but why should responsible dog owners and their pets be punished?

whisky_galore

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Not everybody else's fault you raised a wuss

These children were also 'wusses', were they?

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/child-mauled-dog-attack-nuneaton-14569830

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1546303/boy-12-suffers-horrendous-facial-injuries-after-being-mauled-by-japanese-akita-dog/

Mind your damn dogs!

wexie

Sandra Clever Schoolgirl wrote: »

The dog owners are being asked not to bring their dogs to the beach between certain hours at a certain time of the year when there will be a lot of people using the beach.
They are not being banned from the beach themselves.

The fact that they live near the beach and/or use it all year around does not mean they can ruin it for others during the Summer season. in fact it's quite a selfish attitude. It's just a few weeks of the year that they can't bring their dogs down 24/7. Is that really such a big ask? Every one owns the beaches, not just the dog owners,

And what harm does a well behaved, controlled dog with an owner that cleans up after it, do on the beach?

I completely get the whole dog **** problem, and the dogs running loose or not being well controlled (don't forget, the law says nothing about a lead, it states the dog needs to be under effective control) and would certainly applaud those things being tackled. (the majority of dog owners would)

But banning dogs because there might be someone afraid of them
What's there to be afraid of when the dog is under control?

If you want to enforce phobias in your children then go right ahead, don't blame it on responsible dog owners though. It's all you

topper75

County council need to split beaches in 3 with razor wire:

Kidz-:-Dogz-:-Elderlynakedkrautz

Everybody happy. Party on in the sun.

I have a dog. Local beach has a ban. I try to respect it. Sometimes I'm caught for time and the only exercise option falls between 11 and 6. Nobody polices so I go ahead. It is the Irish way. Always has been.

wexie

whisky_galore wrote: »

These children were also 'wusses', were they?

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/child-mauled-dog-attack-nuneaton-14569830

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1546303/boy-12-suffers-horrendous-facial-injuries-after-being-mauled-by-japanese-akita-dog/

Mind your damn dogs!

By that logic I could link you any number of articles where children were hurt by humans.....will we ban them from the beaches as well?

wexie

topper75 wrote: »

County council need to split beaches in 3 with razor wire:

Kidz-:-Dogz-:-Elderlynakedkrautz

I'd be fully supportive of a ban on elderly naked krautz....if you want to talk phobias :pac:

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Cocobeans101 wrote: »

Why can't humans share the beach with dogs. Yes, dog sh1t is unacceptable but otherwise what’s the issue? What harm are the dogs actually doing? And no harm if kept on leash.

But they're not kept on leashes a lot of the time, or are on extended leashes that are not retracted sufficiently to stop them bothering other people.

As someone up thread has said, it's the significant minority of rude, inconsiderate and selfish dog owners that are responsible for the outright ban, not the people who simply want to be left alone to sunbathe, picnic, paddle or kick a ball around without somebody's dog jumping at them, running around them, barking in their face etc.

pocketse

meeeeh wrote: »

Do people also protest if they are not allowed to bring dog to work or to a restaurant etc. Why is so hard to understand that dogs are not entitled to be wherever their owners want them to be. Go to a beach that allows dogs.

Of course not. Work places and restaurants are private places. The same way I don’t expect parents to be allowed to bring their kids to work. They are of course welcome at restaurants. (Although you’ll find a large amount of ignorant people who disagree with that. Why should I have to listen to your child while I’m having my diner) People also want kids banned from planes. Just because people pontificate over silly ideas doesn’t mean you should follow them.

As a citizen, everyone has the right to use any public space as they see fit providing it’s safe for them and others. Walk your dog, elderly relative, kids whatever. Just get out and enjoy yourself. Stop worrying about everyone else.

yrreg0850

pocketse wrote: »

Again, its not my fault a child has a fear. That is the parent and child issue and while I sympathies with it i shouldn't have to change my behaviour because of your fear.

If a man with a beard approaches your child and talks to him, you rightly warn your child to stay away from similar people. You don't ban all men with beards from anywhere that my be in the vicinity of your child art any time.

If my child is afraid of heights, I don't demand a height restriction on all buildings.

Its not enforced because its a bull**** law. It rarely affects people. We get a heatwave and all of a sudden people expect a staff of people to be employed to solve a problem that they perceive for a heatwave that only happens once every 30 years.

It would seem you are using the wrong end of your body for speech.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

topper75 wrote: »

County council need to split beaches in 3 with razor wire:

Kidz-:-Dogz-:-Elderlynakedkrautz

Everybody happy. Party on in the sun.

I have a dog. Local beach has a ban. I try to respect it. Sometimes I'm caught for time and the only exercise option falls between 11 and 6. Nobody polices so I go ahead. It is the Irish way. Always has been.

That old excuse.

Why can't you exercise him somewhere other on the beach on the days you're caught for time?

whisky_galore

wexie wrote: »

By that logic I could link you any number of articles where children were hurt by humans.....will we ban them from the beaches as well?

Whataboutery...

wexie

Sandra Clever Schoolgirl wrote: »

But they're not kept on leashes a lot of the time, or are on extended leashes that are not retracted sufficiently to stop them bothering other people.

As someone up thread has said, it's the significant minority of rude, inconsiderate and selfish dog owners that are responsible for the outright ban, not the people who simply want to be left alone to sunbathe, picnic, paddle or kick a ball around without somebody's dog jumping at them, running around them, barking in their face etc.

And ya know what, that is indeed not acceptable behaviour. But address that specific behaviour.

I also don't find it acceptable to have to put up with drunken skangers with boom boxes and bonfires on the beach....but you won't see me arguing we should just ban teenagers

Boom_Bap

I've seen a child poop on a beach. Ban them.
I've seen used nappies on the beach, ban parents.
I've seen teens and above knacker drinking on the beach and being overly obnoxious. Ban them.
I've seen older folk wearing too revealing swimming costumes. Ban them.
I've seen all the above littering beaches too.


Ban Humans from the beach is what I say.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Bracken81 wrote: »

I think it is a major ask! Your asking to ban dogs from public spaces
Wheres does it stop? What will we ban next and Who will enforce all this?


Like i said already, Im not even a dog owner...........i just think this a is a ridiculous idea

So do you think it's okay for smokers to light up in a public place where it's forbidden because they feel it's a 'major ask' not to?

wexie

whisky_galore wrote: »

Whataboutery...

You think your post has any relevance to responsible owners bringing their dogs to the beach?

yrreg0850

whisky_galore wrote: »

These children were also 'wusses', were they?

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/child-mauled-dog-attack-nuneaton-14569830

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1546303/boy-12-suffers-horrendous-facial-injuries-after-being-mauled-by-japanese-akita-dog/

Mind your damn dogs!

Well said .

It would seem from some of the posts here that some people value animals over human life.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

wexie wrote: »

And ya know what, that is indeed not acceptable behaviour. But address that specific behaviour.

I also don't find it acceptable to have to put up with drunken skangers with boom boxes and bonfires on the beach....but you won't see me arguing we should just ban teenagers

But the point is that the authorities have decided to ban dogs from the beach between certain hours. So it's not up to individuals to decide 'oh I don't agree with that. I'll just ignore it'.
Don't agree with it, go somewhere else.

whisky_galore

wexie wrote: »

You think your post has any relevance to responsible owners bringing their dogs to the beach?

The trouble is the irresponsible ones, or do I need to draw a diagram for you?

wexie

whisky_galore wrote: »

Mind your damn dogs!

I do mind my damn dogs, both on and off the beach

wexie

whisky_galore wrote: »

The trouble is the irresponsible ones, or do I need to draw a diagram for you?

Yes....you're starting to get it....then address the irresponsible ones...

whisky_galore

wexie wrote: »

I do mind my damn dogs, both on and off the beach

Good for you.

Your medal is in the post.

wexie

whisky_galore wrote: »

Good for you.

Your medal is in the post.

Ta, my dogs will wear it with pride

whisky_galore

yrreg0850 wrote: »

Well said .

It would seem from some of the posts here that some people value animals over human life.

Yeah cos my little Schnookums wouldn't hurt a fly.

Ah shur look at him off chasing sheep, I bet they're having the craic.

fima

I think the majority of the people that actually use Kilkee beach think the ban between 11 & 6 is a good thing. Not everyone loves dogs or wants to endure dog **** all the time. Only a few days ago there was a picture on Facebook of a respectable looking older lady who had refused to pick up after her two labs on kilkee beach while walking them after 6pm. Manky biatch

seamus

Sandra Clever Schoolgirl wrote: »

Why can't you exercise him somewhere other on the beach on the days you're caught for time?

Why should he have to?

There's zero logic in a ban on dogs from a public place.

If someone is going to ignore the rules on keeping the dog under control and picking up their crap, then they're going to ignore the rule which bans them.

It's the Irish way; rather than actually enforce the rules that we have, we create multiple redundant rules in the hope that something sticks.

Decuc500

yrreg0850 wrote: »

Well said .

It would seem from some of the posts here that some people value animals over human life.

Of course nobody has said anything remotely resembling this but reading some posts it's clear why Ireland is the least dog friendly country I've been to in Europe.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

seamus wrote: »

Why should he have to?

There's zero logic in a ban on dogs from a public place.

If someone is going to ignore the rules on keeping the dog under control and picking up their crap, then they're going to ignore the rule which bans them.

It's the Irish way; rather than actually enforce the rules that we have, we create multiple redundant rules in the hope that something sticks.

Because he's walking him at a time when dogs are banned from the beach.

Why should a supermarket not sell me a bottle of wine at 11pm?
Why should someone not blast their car horn at 1am?
Why should I not drive in a bus lane between 9am and 7pm?

whisky_galore

Decuc500 wrote: »

Of course nobody has said anything remotely resembling this but reading some posts it's clear why Ireland is the least dog friendly country I've been to in Europe.

I really like dogs, but you have streets and walkways here regularly plastered with dog shyte ...I've lost count of the number of times I've seen dogs going for walks by themselves, and not to mention the numbers of dogs that ALWAYS seem to be abandoned esp. after Xmas.

Came across a dog attacking a sheep once, with a nice red collar on him and all...so...yeah.

seamus

Sandra Clever Schoolgirl wrote: »

Because he's walking him at a time when dogs are banned from the beach.

Why are they banned though?

Why should a supermarket not sell me a bottle of wine at 11pm?

Good fncking question.

Why should someone not blast their car horn at 1am?

Because people are trying to sleep.

Why should I not drive in a bus lane between 9am and 7pm?

Because private vehicles carrying a small number of passengers cause congestion where large vehicles carrying lots of passengers ease it.

Logic. It's not difficult.

Specialun

Sandra Clever Schoolgirl wrote: »

The dog owners are being asked not to bring their dogs to the beach between certain hours at a certain time of the year when there will be a lot of people using the beach.
They are not being banned from the beach themselves.

The fact that they live near the beach and/or use it all year around does not mean they can ruin it for others during the Summer season. in fact it's quite a selfish attitude. It's just a few weeks of the year that they can't bring their dogs down 24/7. Is that really such a big ask? Every one owns the beaches, not just the dog owners,

Is not selfish for non dog owners to go "when we want it you can get lost. But when we dont you can come back and play"

wexie

Sandra Clever Schoolgirl wrote: »

Why should a supermarket not sell me a bottle of wine at 11pm?

seamus wrote: »

Good fncking question.

Wouldn't mind an explanation for that one myself to be honest.

jimgoose

Dog owners need to master the Ninjitsu handed down by generations of East Limerick hill-farmers for nearly a thousand years. This involves a pair of size 12 engineer's boots with more steel in them than the Forth Bridge, and the canine-soothing mantra "GWINTABEDFUCKENCUNTOVVAFUCKENDAG!!!".

https://www.galwaycity.ie/dogs

'As of August 1st 2008, dogs are not permitted on Galway City beaches or their waters between the hours of 9 am and 8 pm during the months of May, June, July, August and September.
Before 9 am and after 8 pm during May to September, dogs are permitted on the beach provided they are on a leash and are not causing danger or nuisance. This bye-law relates solely to the Galway City beaches of Salthill, Grattan, Ballyloughane and Silverstrand and to their waters; the Promenade is not affected by its introduction'

I was on Silverstrand Beach in Galway with a toddler recently early one morning but within the above hours. There were maybe twelve people on the beach including a younger couple with a big dog, an older woman with her grandson and a Jack Russel, a family with two small kids and a few other couples.

The couple with the bigger dog grabbed it and put it on a leash when they saw kids arriving onto the beach - sensible, considerate dog owners.

Granny's Jack Russel was nosing around us and our toddler about 50 metres away from her - an idiot and why restrictive laws are passed.
She recognised that the dog was a nuisance as she called over and said it was harmless. Our two-year old was terrified but according to some above that is our problem and not grannies.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

seamus wrote: »

Why are they banned though?
Good fncking question.
Because people are trying to sleep.
Because private vehicles carrying a small number of passengers cause congestion where large vehicles carrying lots of passengers ease it.

Logic. It's not difficult.

And it's not difficult to understand that dogs and crowds don't always mix well - particularly where there will be a lot of small children around, people trying to eat picnics, people trying to play with beach balls, people simply trying to lie in the sun without a dog digging away at sand beside him or whatever.

Local authorities don't issue bans lightly. An awful lot of people don't want dogs wandering around the beach when they're trying to enjoy a day out, anymore than they want them running around a public playground or whatever. I'm sure the ban was carefully considered and well lobbied for.

Why can't dog owners just respect it even if they don't agree with it?

jimgoose

Deleted User wrote: »

...that is our problem and not grannies.

It would be grannie's problem if she had to dig the little bastard out of the sand before it suffocated. Just sayin', like...

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Specialun wrote: »

Is not selfish for non dog owners to go "when we want it you can get lost. But when we dont you can come back and play"

It is not selfish to say that for most of the year dogs can use the beach, but for a few weeks when there will be a lot of members of the public, most who pay or have paid through taxes for the upkeep of the beach, exercising their right to use it, dogs should be off the beach between certain hours.

It's called compromise.

Cocobeans101

So the dog’s major crime was “was nosing around us”. Do you think when the Granny said it was harmless you could have tried introducing your child to the dog instead perpetuating a ridiculous fear of a tiny dog.

jimgoose

Specialun wrote: »

Is not selfish for non dog owners to go "when we want it you can get lost. But when we dont you can come back and play"

People want to enjoy the beach when they want to enjoy the beach. A dog is a dog, is a dog, and does not get a say in the matter.

jimgoose

Cocobeans101 wrote: »

So the dog’s major crime was “was nosing around us”. Do you think when the Granny said it was harmless you could have tried introducing your child to the dog instead perpetuating a ridiculous fear of a tiny dog.

A Jack Russell can destroy a small child like an angle-grinder, like most terrier breeds they are proud and can be aggressive to the point of vicious. The point is people do not want to have grannie's dog imposed upon them at the beach, or anywhere else. To grannie I say, either control it, or take it away. Before it is controlled for you.