Dogs on Beaches

iamwhoiam

Mr.H wrote: »

My dog often ran out of the water and loved shaking it at me. Anytime he looked to go to others i would call him over and he came to me.

I agree that all dogs should be kept under control at all times in all places. If they dont have a good call back then should always be on the lead in public no matter where.

But its this whole ridiculous society we have where you have signs in parks saying all dogs must be on the lead and no ball games..... so you are not supposed to play ball in a park ffs. These laws are absolutely ridiculous and thought up by snobs who have no grasp of reality.

Why should a kid not be allowed to play ball in a park?

Why should a dog not be able to run free on a beach or in a park and like the kid, spend their built up energy?



Firstly i am sorry to hear that.

But i was bitten as a child. My brother was. I have a few friends that were. I cant think of any that where bitten unprovoked though. I am not claiming your daughter provoked the dog. I am claiming it is very rare for that to happen. Your daughter is likely scared because of her parents reaction when she is near a dog now. Not your fault. Its natural to be protective. But fear of being bitten goes away when you realise dogs dont want to just bite everyone.

Some owners do mistreat their dogs but usually those dogs are top scared to go near people.

Also i am not pretending there are not vicious dogs out there. Of course there are. Would you stay away from all people just because you saw some stories about some horrible people?

The dog was a known cantankerous grumpy little terrier . It was unprovoked and she was not even looking at him
And no we did not shield or react , the child was bitten by a dog that ran at her from behind her and learned all by herself to be very afraid of dogs
As an adult she went to a dog rescue and used to walk the dogs on a Saturday . We were so proud of her overcoming her fear

holly_johnson

*flame war alert* i have a little Westie cross doggie & a holiday home beside the beach in Wexford. I live in Dublin. My little guy gets excited from the minute we put him in the car till he gets there. He loves the beach. But he’s afraid of himself over the water. He runs & runs on the sand. Why shouldn’t he be able To?

He poos? I pick it up. Scobies sometimes visit this normally deserted beach & leave detritus like (Jaysus) used condoms & nappies yet we are meant to magically make them disappear? Cop the f on.

My little fella is more intimately acquainted with my local beach than you are with yore missus so F off if you think that just coz you want to invade for the summer I should lock him up

*mybe this should be in the R&R forum

BurnUp78

Gamer Bhoy 89 wrote: »

You better not be implying that just because it's a pit-bull that automatically makes it dangerous.......

If i was on the beach with my 9kg terrier and i saw an unleashed pitbull/akita i would become wary and keep a distance from it. I dont care how well trained it is i dont like the idea of known dog-aggresive dog breeds being unleashed in public areas.

Mr.H

iamwhoiam wrote:

The dog was a known cantankerous grumpy little terrier . It was unprovoked and she was not even looking at him And no we did not shield or react , the child was bitten by a dog that ran at her from behind her and learned all by herself to be very afraid of dogs As an adult she went to a dog rescue and used to walk the dogs on a Saturday . We were so proud of her overcoming her fear

Thats the sort of stuff i hate. Its also what i mentioned earlier about owners not caring. These people should be allowed to have dogs. If your dog is a little fecker then you dont leave them out free. By all means they need to be walked but with a lead. Without assuming your reaction, my mrs would have to stop me from getting into trouble with the dog owner. But not every dog is like that and we shouldnt treat every dog like that.

In italy and spain dogs are always off the lead. Restaurants bars and even airports you will see dogs with every 5th 6th person just walking along at their side. They have much more respect than we do for dogs.

As for all the rubbish about lack of bins being an excuse.... it a crap excuse and i always carry my dogs stuff. But lack of bins is a very big issue. I can walk from work to my house. 25 minute walk. Not one single bin is on the street and i live and just on the outskirts of Limerick city. Anyone who thinks that is not an issue needs to rethink.

Kivaro

holly_johnson wrote: »

My little fella is more intimately acquainted with my local beach than you are with yore missus so F off if you think that just coz you want to invade for the summer I should lock him up

*mybe this should be in the R&R forum

After that rant, I think you should lock yourself up.

uck51js9zml2yt

Can't blame the dogs. It's the owners.
Like most people in the country they ignore the laws.

holly_johnson

Kivaro wrote: »

After that rant, I think you should lock yourself up.

On what grounds? I walk my dog on a particular stretch of beach as many weeks as I can per year. 95% of the time it’s deserted. Even when there are other people on it, it’s so huge that you usually never need to acknowledge or greet someone. I pick up after my dog. Why shouldn’t he have a free run on it when he loves it so much?

Graces7

Mr.H wrote: »

Thats the sort of stuff i hate. Its also what i mentioned earlier about owners not caring. These people should be allowed to have dogs. If your dog is a little fecker then you dont leave them out free. By all means they need to be walked but with a lead. Without assuming your reaction, my mrs would have to stop me from getting into trouble with the dog owner. But not every dog is like that and we shouldnt treat every dog like that.

In italy and spain dogs are always off the lead. Restaurants bars and even airports you will see dogs with every 5th 6th person just walking along at their side. They have much more respect than we do for dogs.

As for all the rubbish about lack of bins being an excuse.... it a crap excuse and i always carry my dogs stuff. But lack of bins is a very big issue. I can walk from work to my house. 25 minute walk. Not one single bin is on the street and i live and just on the outskirts of Limerick city. Anyone who thinks that is not an issue needs to rethink.

They get misused. Especially now. I used to see a lady walking to work and putting stuff in every bin she passed.. And would need a small army to keep them emptied and tidy .. Easy enough to take a bag and bring your rubbish home

Discodog

iamwhoiam wrote: »

A child will very much have a fear of dogs if that child was ever knocked over or bitten by a dog . My daughter had no parent who taught her fear , a dog who ran across the road when she was playing in my garden and bit her taught her fear

And just to make a point I wouldn't want your friendly tail wagging lab coming up to me on a beach

And what have you done since to ensure that she doesn't grow up with a permanent fear of dogs ?

Mr.H

Graces7 wrote:

They get misused. Especially now. I used to see a lady walking to work and putting stuff in every bin she passed.. And would need a small army to keep them emptied and tidy .. Easy enough to take a bag and bring your rubbish home

And what about if someone is smoking while walking or chewing gum or drinking a coffee etc? Surely having a bin would stop our streets from getting littered?

Our cities are filthy because we have no bins. Its ridiculous to use the excuse that people will use them for household rubbish. That should be a taxable service anyway but thats a rant for another thread.

You want the streets to be clean, provide bins. Its not a crazy suggestion. In fact its a mandatory requirement in planning laws in most countries. You should not be able to walk a half hour and not see a single bin.

arybvtcw0eolkf

pocketse wrote: »

Appologies but if your child is afraid of dogs thats your issue. If your child had an irrational fear of black people should they also be banned from beaches?

Its all a bit annoying really. I walk the beach with my dog all year round. Ive never had and hassle and cleaned up after myself. Most of the people you see all year round on the beach are dog walkers. We get a couple of weeks of sun and the great unwashed arrive out and expect everything to disappear for them.

I was going to reply with almost the same thing.

I walk/run my dogs on Portmarnock beach almost every day of the year and have to listen to the whingers who use the beach for a few hours in the year.

Give me and Richo an empty winter beach anytime

Gamer Bhoy 89

Mr.H wrote: »

As for all the rubbish about lack of bins being an excuse.... it a crap excuse and i always carry my dogs stuff. But lack of bins is a very big issue. I can walk from work to my house. 25 minute walk. Not one single bin is on the street and i live and just on the outskirts of Limerick city. Anyone who thinks that is not an issue needs to rethink.

I concur. But if lack of bins is a known issue then we should all know in advance before heading into a shop....

I live in an area where a bin is hard to come by for a good 3/4 km at a time. Whenever I get a roll and/or drink out the shop I will carry that greasy paper and empty bottle throughout my whole walk until I find a bin before I even think about dropping it in the middle of the pavement.

There is one thing I will always be happy to compare where I live right now (Tramore) to where I lived as a teenager (Coatbridge), is the latter townsfolk didn't give a crap, just drop yir litter and nae consequence.
Tramore is immaculate in comparison, it has very much put me in the better habit of holding onto my rubbish until I can dispose of it properly.

And if you're the type of person that IS going to go to a beach with a lot of stuff, bring a bag and shove yir garbage into it, then bring it to the nearest bin or your car - - why does that need f*cking explaining, jeeeeeeez.

iamwhoiam

Discodog wrote: »

And what have you done since to ensure that she doesn't grow up with a permanent fear of dogs ?

Did you forget to read the thread ? My daughter was encouraged to blame the dog who bit her and not every dog
As an adult she went every Saturday to walk dogs from a dog rescue centre . Is that ok ?

Gamer Bhoy 89

Liliana Early Rafter wrote: »

Give me and Richo an empty winter beach anytime

Beautiful dog

suicide_circus

so can we all agree that just because someone finds something upsetting, that dosnt mean that other people should have to change in order to accommodate them?

Discodog

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Did you forget to read the thread ? My daughter was encouraged to blame the dog who bit her and not every dog
As an adult she went every Saturday to walk dogs from a dog rescue centre . Is that ok ?

No I didn't & I apologise. However I am surprised that you did add that bit onto the original post

Btw the dog that bit here wasn't at fault. Dogs don't have those powers of reasoning. Hopefully you taught her that it was the owner not the dog

meeeeh

Mr.H wrote: »

In italy and spain dogs are always off the lead. Restaurants bars and even airports you will see dogs with every 5th 6th person just walking along at their side. They have much more respect than we do for dogs.

Bs and I 'very been in Italy a lot and travel often to Italian airports and have yet to see the non police dog there.

Anyway this is about the laws in Italy:

If walking a dog in a public area, make sure that large dogs are walked only by individuals older than 18 years old and the dog must be kept on a leash shorter than 5 feet in length. The owner must also have a muzzle with them and have a way to collect and dispose of the dog’s feces.

It is prohibited to use shock collars in Italy.

The only time a dog doesn’t need to be kept on leash is in an area specifically meant to be used by dogs, such as a dog park.

Violating any laws related to animal protection could result with the owner facing fines or criminal charges.

https://europe.stripes.com/pcs/protect-your-pup-learn-italian-dog-laws

Gamer Bhoy 89

suicide_circus wrote: »

so can we all agree that just because someone finds something upsetting, that dosnt mean that other people should have to change in order to accommodate them?

If your dog is trained not to run up to other people's face then leaving him off the leash should be fine, I think... now that I think more about it.

But if your dog is a pain in the hole and is too hyper with other passers-by then keep him leashed and out of people's face - it's only common decency like.

Both my dogs would be the type to chase someone else's ball and run off with it, and would also want to sniff every person they went near -- as a result I wouldn't let them off the leash (I get too anxious when they're off the leash as well so I couldn't anyway). Happy to say neither of them have ever bit anyone or behaved aggressively in their life and one of them in his latter years now.

Little pets, the two of 'em

iamwhoiam

Discodog wrote: »

No I didn't & I apologise. However I am surprised that you did add that bit onto the original post

Btw the dog that bit here wasn't at fault. Dogs don't have those powers of reasoning. Hopefully you taught her that it was the owner not the dog

Well yes of course it was the owners fault but try telling that to a young child who was attacked by a little cranky terrier

Discodog

I have walked my dogs along the shore, twice a day, for over 15 years. I don't walk them on the beach very often as I prefer walking along the rocky shore. Out of courtesy I would always put them on the lead if people are on the beach unless the people are happy to have the dogs loose.

Kivaro

pocketse wrote: »

Appologies but if your child is afraid of dogs thats your issue. If your child had an irrational fear of black people should they also be banned from beaches?

Inappropriate comparison, but you still received a lot of thanks for the post.
A common theme among dog owners is how they equate their pooches at the same level as humans. Now in many instances, I even prefer dogs over some humans, but a little respect is all that is requested.

Most of us just want you to keep your dogs to yourself. We don't want them to jump up on us or even get too close to us. We don't want them pee-ing on our stuff on the beach or we don't want to step on their deposits. The easy solution to many of these problems is to keep them on a leash, but that's too much to ask for many dog owners. If I see a dog on a leash on a beach, then I don't mind, because I get the sense that the dog owner would pick up after the dog too.

yrreg0850

Pat Mustard wrote: »

Here you go:

https://www.clarecoco.ie/water-waste-environment/publications/clare-beach-bye-laws-2016-4183.pdf

Fair play to you for unearthing this.
Pity Clare Co Co would not enforce their own byelaws.

Specialun

Sandra Clever Schoolgirl wrote: »

No, it isn't. It's a compromise. Some people only get to use the beach a few times a year and irresponsible dog owners shouldn't be allowed ruin it for them.

why do some only get to use the beach a few times a year. nothing stopping them from going there all the time?

**spoiler alert** i know its because of the weather

and i stand over my point that its selfish to want a ban when it suits ya.

can you explain where the compromise is? because it should be a 2 way street. on the dogs side its the dog not being on the beach during xyz. what are non dog owners compromising on?

kylith

Gamer Bhoy 89 wrote: »

There are a million other places you can walk a dog in peace and without being labeled a nuisance that are not prohibited, including certain beaches that allow dogs, so you have zero excuse apart from the one that says "I can go where I like with my dog", then you're just stubborn and stuck up.

On this point, there really aren't, or if there are I'd love you to tell me where they are.

Can't go to the beach cos it's full of people, can't go to the park cos it's full of people, can't walk along the canal cos it's full of srotes, can't walk the dog on the street cos he's terrified of cars, physically can't walk him sufficiently on lead because he's too high energy.

wexie

kylith wrote: »

On this point, there really aren't, of if there are I'd love you to tell me where they are.

Can't go to the beach cos it's full of people, can't go to the park cos it's full of people, can't walk along the canal cos it's full of srotes, can't walk the dog on the street cos he's terrified of cars, physically can't walk him sufficiently on lead because he's too high energy.

How dare you have a dog anywhere near civilization !!!

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Mr.H wrote: »

My dog often ran out of the water and loved shaking it at me. Anytime he looked to go to others i would call him over and he came to me.

I agree that all dogs should be kept under control at all times in all places. If they dont have a good call back then should always be on the lead in public no matter where.

But its this whole ridiculous society we have where you have signs in parks saying all dogs must be on the lead and no ball games..... so you are not supposed to play ball in a park ffs. These laws are absolutely ridiculous and thought up by snobs who have no grasp of reality.

Why should a kid not be allowed to play ball in a park?

Why should a dog not be able to run free on a beach or in a park and like the kid, spend their built up energy?



Firstly i am sorry to hear that.

But i was bitten as a child. My brother was. I have a few friends that were. I cant think of any that where bitten unprovoked though. I am not claiming your daughter provoked the dog. I am claiming it is very rare for that to happen. Your daughter is likely scared because of her parents reaction when she is near a dog now. Not your fault. Its natural to be protective. But fear of being bitten goes away when you realise dogs dont want to just bite everyone.

Some owners do mistreat their dogs but usually those dogs are top scared to go near people.

Also i am not pretending there are not vicious dogs out there. Of course there are. Would you stay away from all people just because you saw some stories about some horrible people?

Massive difference between the two.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

holly_johnson wrote: »

*flame war alert* i have a little Westie cross doggie & a holiday home beside the beach in Wexford. I live in Dublin. My little guy gets excited from the minute we put him in the car till he gets there. He loves the beach. But he’s afraid of himself over the water. He runs & runs on the sand. Why shouldn’t he be able To?

He poos? I pick it up. Scobies sometimes visit this normally deserted beach & leave detritus like (Jaysus) used condoms & nappies yet we are meant to magically make them disappear? Cop the f on.

My little fella is more intimately acquainted with my local beach than you are with yore missus so F off if you think that just coz you want to invade for the summer I should lock him up

*mybe this should be in the R&R forum

This is exactly what I meant by people who live near a beach, supported by all taxpayers, thinking they have a special claim on it. You don't.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Specialun wrote: »

why do some only get to use the beach a few times a year. nothing stopping them from going there all the time?

**spoiler alert** i know its because of the weather

and i stand over my point that its selfish to want a ban when it suits ya.

can you explain where the compromise is? because it should be a 2 way street. on the dogs side its the dog not being on the beach during xyz. what are non dog owners compromising on?

No it's not because of the weather. Houses near beaches are expensive. People who work full time don't have the opportunity to go to the beach for walks through out the year.

Those who can are very fortunate. To then claim that people who only get a couple of weeks during the Summer to enjoy the beach, and who don't want uncontrolled dogs running around are selfish are...... well, selfish.

tritriagain

Sandra Clever Schoolgirl wrote: »

This is exactly what I meant by people who live near a beach, supported by all taxpayers, thinking they have a special claim on it. You don't.

What have taxpayers got to do with a beach. Jesus wept.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Discodog wrote: »

I have walked my dogs along the shore, twice a day, for over 15 years. I don't walk them on the beach very often as I prefer walking along the rocky shore. Out of courtesy I would always put them on the lead if people are on the beach unless the people are happy to have the dogs loose.

This is a perfect example of a considerate dog owner.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

tritriagain wrote: »

What have taxpayers got to do with a beach. Jesus wept.

Who do you think pays for the upkeep of the beach? So why do people who live beside the beach think they have some 'right' to let their dogs run free during the Summer season because 'hey, we use the beach all year around'.

That is why taxpayers have something to do with the beach. AndI doubt Jesus is as obtuse as you, so not weeping.

Specialun

bella is still yapping **** about taxpayers and imaginery rights to ownership from locals

meeeeh

I think that people shouldn't have a dog if they are not able to exercise it enough on lead and in the areas where dogs are allowed. I am not overly bothered if dogs are not on the lead somewhere deserted (deer or rabbits might not be too happy) but in more crowded areas Fluffy shouldn't be of the lead. And if you can't achieve that then you shouldn't have a dog. I also don't think crowded beaches are appropriate place for dogs.

iamwhoiam

No one has more right to a public beach regardless of whether they walk on it three times a day 365 days a year . The rules apply to that person same as the person who uses it every five years

Graces7

Mr.H wrote: »

And what about if someone is smoking while walking or chewing gum or drinking a coffee etc? Surely having a bin would stop our streets from getting littered?

Our cities are filthy because we have no bins. Its ridiculous to use the excuse that people will use them for household rubbish. That should be a taxable service anyway but thats a rant for another thread.

You want the streets to be clean, provide bins. Its not a crazy suggestion. In fact its a mandatory requirement in planning laws in most countries. You should not be able to walk a half hour and not see a single bin.

Take your litter home with you. A small bag, or are you too..

No bins where i live and no litter. Could walk all day and night and not see one .Any rubbish i generate when out comes home with me.

Specialun

the beach i live near is not too far from city folk. when it goes over 14 degrees they all flock to it. every night without fail the kunts leave the place in a mess. boxes of beer, crisp packets, empty bottles. At the weekend they have beach parties and end up leaving booze burnt out fires and condoms, used normally.

these are the low life city folk that frequent the local beach. taxpayers. ban these people.

iamwhoiam

Graces7 wrote: »

Take your litter home with you. A small bag, or are you too..

No bins where i live and no litter. Could walk all day and night and not see one .Any rubbish i generate when out comes home with me.

So do I but I still think more bins in crowded places will at least encourage some to use them

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Specialun wrote: »

bella is still yapping **** about taxpayers and imaginery rights to ownership from locals

And Specialun is still being rude, inarticulate and crass and failing to make any intelligent or respectful argument in support of his view :rolleyes:

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Specialun wrote: »

the beach i live near is not too far from city folk. when it goes over 14 degrees they all flock to it. every night without fail the kunts leave the place in a mess. boxes of beer, crisp packets, empty bottles. At the weekend they have beach parties and end up leaving booze burnt out fires and condoms, used normally.

these are the low life city folk that frequent the local beach. taxpayers. ban these people.

Yes, lets ban all taxpayers because they all leave the beach in a mess. Including, I presume, the many taxpayers who also walk their dogs on the beach.

Specialun

Sandra Clever Schoolgirl wrote: »

Yes, lets ban all taxpayers because they all leave the beach in a mess. Including, I presume, the many taxpayers who also walk their dogs on the beach.

but you want to ban dogs for the behaviour of a few? hypocrite much

do you fell as people pay tax it gives them tne right to do whatever they like to the beach

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Specialun wrote: »

but you want to ban dogs for the behaviour of a few? hypocrite much

Where did I say I want to ban all dog owners?

Specialun

Sandra Clever Schoolgirl wrote: »

Where did I say I want to ban all dog owners?

so which dog/dog owners do you want banned during xyz time

Rubberchikken

When humans respect the beach. When they take home their rubbish. When they stop allowing their kids to use the beach as a toilet. When the gaa fan idiots stop hitting a sliotar over strangers heads and think its perfectly acceptable behaviour.
Then and only then will i agree with banning innocent dogs from public beaches.

meeeeh

Specialun wrote: »

so which dog/dog owners do you want banned during xyz time

Personally none as long as they leave their dogs at home when beaches are full. Some here assume dogs have same rights as humans, they don't, they are animals.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Specialun wrote: »

so which dog/dog owners do you want banned during xyz time

Specifying times during which dogs should not be not be on the beach, during 3 months of the year, is not 'banning them from the beach'. Anymore than I'm 'banned' from buying alcohol in the supermarket etc.

Quit with the drama and learn to compromise.

Specialun

Rubberchikken wrote: »

When humans respect the beach. When they take home their rubbish. When they stop allowing their kids to use the beach as a toilet. When the gaa fan idiots stop hitting a sliotar over strangers heads and think its perfectly acceptable behaviour.
Then and only then will i agree with banning innocent dogs from public beaches.

boom. again on this ball

Specialun

Sandra Clever Schoolgirl wrote: »

Specifying times during which dogs should not be not be on the beach, during 3 months of the year, is not 'banning them from the beach'. Anymore than I'm 'banned' from buying alcohol in the supermarket etc.

Quit with the drama and learn to compromise.

what compromise do the people have? considering 80% wont be there when its not hot

also you completely ignored the comment about the constant dirt left by “taxpayers”

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Specialun wrote: »

what compromise do the people have? considering 80% wont be there when its not hot

The compromise is that during the Summer months dogs will have limited access to the beach, the rest of the year they don't.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Specialun wrote: »

what compromise do the people have? considering 80% wont be there when its not hot

also you completely ignored the comment about the constant dirt left by “taxpayers”

No I didn't. I stated that you can't separate taxpayers who leave dirt from dog owners who may be one and the same.

Of course people shouldn't be allowed leave rubbish on the beach and that should be properly monitored and prosecuted, in the same way that dog owners who ignore rules re dogs on the beach should be monitored and prosecuted.

Specialun

Sandra Clever Schoolgirl wrote: »

The compromise is that during the Summer months dogs will have limited access to the beach, the rest of the year they don't.

jesus h christ

in order for there to be a “compromise” there needs to be a concession by each party. we have 2 parties here. party a is the dog with their owner. party b is the visitor or “taxpayer” that you love referring to

party A has the compromise in this situation to not run on the beach during xyz time. so again i repeat my q

what is the compromise of party b?