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EU Commission at it again

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    #2
    Brennus335
    Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭Brennus335


    ATC going on strike isn't illegal.
    Giving/receiving unfair state aid is.

    Kind of a difference there.


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    trellheim
    Registered Users Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭trellheim


    ATC going on strike isn't illegal.
    it is if you make it so. messing in this area made Ronnie Reagan fire them all.


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    Brennus335
    Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭Brennus335


    trellheim wrote: »
    it is if you make it so. messing in this area made Ronnie Reagan fire them all.
    That's some twisted logic there.
    Farting in the presence of a lady is illegal if you make it so too.


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    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,691 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Mebuntu wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/eu-commission-investigating-if-ryanair-received-illegal-state-aid-1.3554061

    No doubt on the instruction of Air France.

    Extraordinary, but predictable, that the EU swings into action against Ryanair ad nauseum but have done absolutely nothing about the frequent and on-going strikes by (mainly) French ATC that cause endless trouble and strife to the millions of EU citizens it is supposed to look after.

    The EU makes rulings on state aid constantly.

    The complaint is as if not more likely to have come from a taxpayer in the area than Air France, seeing as their only year-round routes from MRS are to their hubs. It is a small spoke in their system only.


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    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users Posts: 17,188 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Mebuntu wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/eu-commission-investigating-if-ryanair-received-illegal-state-aid-1.3554061

    No doubt on the instruction of Air France.

    Extraordinary, but predictable, that the EU swings into action against Ryanair ad nauseum but have done absolutely nothing about the frequent and on-going strikes by (mainly) French ATC that cause endless trouble and strife to the millions of EU citizens it is supposed to look after.

    You are conflating two different issues to bash the EU Commission


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    Mebuntu
    Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭Mebuntu


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    You are conflating two different issues to bash the EU Commission
    Yes, I AM bashing the EU Commission for doing absolutely nothing about the ATC strikes that are causing chaos every year to millions of EU citizens. Nobody really cares a toss about whether Ryanair got State Aid or not from an airport but everybody cares about having their travel plans disrupted even when they're not flying into or out of France.


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    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users Posts: 17,188 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Mebuntu wrote: »
    Yes, I AM bashing the EU Commission for doing absolutely nothing about the ATC strikes that are causing chaos every year to millions of EU citizens. Nobody really cares a toss about whether Ryanair got State Aid or not from an airport but everybody cares about having their travel plans disrupted even when they're not flying into or out of France.

    Under what rule or law do you what the EU commission to intervene in the French ATC dispute?


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    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    Mebuntu wrote: »
    Yes, I AM bashing the EU Commission for doing absolutely nothing about the ATC strikes that are causing chaos every year to millions of EU citizens. Nobody really cares a toss about whether Ryanair got State Aid or not from an airport but everybody cares about having their travel plans disrupted even when they're not flying into or out of France.

    Don't miss the point here. If the procedure is followed, the strikes are legal. However illegal state aid, as name suggest, isn't...

    A place where the strikes were illegal is not really that nice...


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    Mebuntu
    Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭Mebuntu


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Under what rule or law do you what the EU commission to intervene in the French ATC dispute?

    The French going on strike and disrupting their own country is one thing.

    The EU, allegedly, consists of millions of people from a lot of different countries all joined together as one. These people wish to travel from one EU country to another. They are regularly prevented from doing so because a minute number of people in one of the countries go on strike and close/restrict the airspace even to air traffic not landing in France. With modern systems this airspace could be easily handled from virtually anywhere in Europe or the world.

    The greater good of all EU citizens should have priority here and if there is no current rule then one should be activated and pronto.

    Not going to happen, of course, because it's France we're talking about.


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    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,691 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Mebuntu wrote: »
    Not going to happen, of course, because it's France we're talking about.

    Its not going to happen, because strikes aren't illegal.

    If you want a political rant, this isn't the forum for it and the thread will be closed.


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    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭Nermal


    L1011 wrote: »
    Its not going to happen, because strikes aren't illegal.

    Some strikes are illegal: policy, army, prison officers.

    EU should place ATC in that category.


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    Nate--IRL--
    Registered Users Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭Nate--IRL--


    Nermal wrote: »
    Some strikes are illegal: policy, army, prison officers.

    EU should place ATC in that category.

    The EU doesn't have the authority to do that. Only the French could enact such a law.

    Nate


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    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,691 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Nermal wrote: »
    Some strikes are illegal: policy, army, prison officers.

    EU should place ATC in that category.

    Absolutely not something they have legal authority to do.


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    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭Nermal


    L1011 wrote: »
    Absolutely not something they have legal authority to do.

    Sigh

    National governments should give the EU competency to do it.

    Then the EU should do it.


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    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,691 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Nermal wrote: »
    Sigh

    National governments should give the EU competency to do it.

    Then the EU should do it.

    Yeah, good luck getting that to happen. We aren't county councils in a federated state; that sort of thing is never going to become an EU competency. Try getting it past a referendum here for instance.

    It is, and will remain, down to each individual country.


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