Waterford developments

Johnboy1951 · 25-02-2021 11:03am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Waterford is on eco-eye (RTE1) this evening, programme is about Ireland 2040, spacial hubs etc. I expect it'll deal with us in about 30 seconds as is the way of RTE but you never know.

Did you get your expected 30 seconds?

It did not appear here

Cork and Limerick, yes, but Waterford?

Dunmoreroader · 01-03-2021 1:56pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Did you get your expected 30 seconds?

It did not appear here

Cork and Limerick, yes, but Waterford?

I saw it; we didn't get a mention.

Harry Palmr · 01-03-2021 2:00pm

Typical. I saw a tweet which referenced us.

Harry Palmr · 11-03-2021 7:57pm

https://waterford-news.ie/2021/03/11/sufficiently-funded-university-is-a-must-for-the-region-says-ibec/

A few bits and pieces from IBEC

In the review, Ibec calls for the upgrading of the N24 (Waterford to Limerick) and N25 (Rosslare to Cork) national primary roads “to ensure vital port access and greater collaboration between the three cities and metropolitan areas and drive the region’s growth, as a counterbalance to Dublin”.

The report also recommends the “accelerated delivery of an integrated sustainable transport across metropolitan Waterford, capable of supporting significant levels of population and employment growth”.

Further recommended regional road improvements include the N80 (which effectively runs from Tullamore to Enniscorthy) and the N11/N25 Oilgate to Rosslare road, linking into the M11, enhancing access to Rosslare Europort.

Ibec has also recommended investment in “regional co-working smart e-hubs to embrace economic opportunities arising from new ways of working post-Covid, attract and retain high-value talent and provide resources and facilities to support towns and villages”.

Funding must be provided for “the future development and expansion of the region’s ports, including the facilitation of offshore renewable energy projects”, the review notes.

Meanwhile, the “right housing and tenure mix (e.g., apartment focus, rental sector, ageing population, students, social housing, affordable housing etc) must be provided for”.

Muttley79 · 15-03-2021 7:30pm

https://waterford-news.ie/2021/03/15/e27-6m-secured-for-ambitious-city-centre-project/
Great news today for waterford.long over due.

Yellow_Fern · 15-03-2021 9:00pm

Muttley79 wrote: »

https://waterford-news.ie/2021/03/15/e27-6m-secured-for-ambitious-city-centre-project/
Great news today for waterford.long over due.

Roofing O'Connell St. sounds pretty terrible. CPOing houses on O'Connell St. is legally pretty dicey.

tonc76 · 15-03-2021 11:56pm

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Roofing O'Connell St. sounds pretty terrible. CPOing houses on O'Connell St. is legally pretty dicey.

Care to elaborate?

Oscar Madison · 16-03-2021 12:56am

Muttley79 wrote: »

https://waterford-news.ie/2021/03/15/e27-6m-secured-for-ambitious-city-centre-project/
Great news today for waterford.long over due.

If that's their plans for the city what a total waste!

It's like communion money to WCC!

tonc76 · 16-03-2021 1:49pm

Oscar Madison wrote: »

If that's their plans for the city what a total waste!

It's like communion money to WCC!

Ever hear the saying "it'd be a great country if you could roof it?"

Here is a plan to roof O' Connell St (an area of the city that has massive potential) and yet it's a waste. The roof over the Apple Market was a great idea but through traffic should have been removed to achieve the most benefit.

The alternative to regenerating the city centre is to keep expanding the city outwards which brings no value.

The Continental Op · 16-03-2021 1:55pm

tonc76 wrote: »

Ever hear the saying "it'd be a great country if you could roof it?"

Here is a plan to roof O' Connell St (an area of the city that has massive potential) and yet it's a waste. The roof over the Apple Market was a great idea but through traffic should have been removed to achieve the most benefit.

The alternative to regenerating the city centre is to keep expanding the city outwards which brings no value.

You mean because its such a run down dump it can't get any worse?

Its the ass end of town and does expand the city but back into an old run down part of town.

Yellow_Fern · 16-03-2021 2:39pm

tonc76 wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

It can create a dark damp space. It actually doesnt rain that much in Waterford. The cold and wind is as much a reason people dont live outdoors as the rain.

hardybuck · 16-03-2021 3:17pm

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

It can create a dark damp space. It actually doesnt rain that much in Waterford. The cold and wind is as much a reason people dont live outdoors as the rain.

I think you've got to consider what the area might be used for. Recently there has been efforts to put more life music and events down there, so this will encourage more moves in this regard.

tonc76 · 16-03-2021 3:19pm

The Continental Op wrote: »

You mean because its such a run down dump it can't get any worse?

Its the ass end of town and does expand the city but back into an old run down part of town.

Not at all. Yes it's run down but here's a plan to change it which could then spur a modernisation of the "old run down part of town! as you put it.

The potential of O' Connell St is to bring people into the city at night be that for bars, restaurants, clubs, theatre etc and for all of that to be under a roof. They could have heated outside seating etc thereby increasing the footprint of some of those businesses. Covered outdoor entertainment areas while "new" to Ireland are not a new phenomenon globally.

tonc76 · 16-03-2021 3:27pm

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Roofing O'Connell St. sounds pretty terrible. CPOing houses on O'Connell St. is legally pretty dicey.

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

It can create a dark damp space. It actually doesnt rain that much in Waterford. The cold and wind is as much a reason people dont live outdoors as the rain.

So it sounds pretty terrible as it might create a dark damp space?? What a negative outlook!

If it rains - sheltered
If it's cold - outdoor heaters
If it's windy - wind breakers

Yeah, you're right - pretty terrible :rolleyes:

Interested to hear about the potential CPO issues also if you can share?

Christy Browne · 16-03-2021 6:37pm

The Continental Op wrote: »

You mean because its such a run down dump it can't get any worse?

Its the ass end of town and does expand the city but back into an old run down part of town.

So...don’t improve it then? Let’s just leave it a run down dump forever. Great solution.

The Continental Op · 16-03-2021 6:44pm

Christy Browne wrote: »

So...don’t improve it then? Let’s just leave it a run down dump forever. Great solution.

If people don't have the money to come into town to spend it then I don't see the point.

Harry Palmr · 16-03-2021 6:44pm

This is the built environment version of protesting about Covid restrictions by gathering in a group.

How do you know how much money there is?

The Continental Op · 16-03-2021 7:06pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This is the built environment version of protesting about Covid restrictions by gathering in a group.

How do you know how much money there is?

I don't but its fairly obvious people haven't been spending it in Waterford along with other towns and cities for a good few years now because of all the empty shops.

Harry Palmr · 16-03-2021 7:46pm

Which means a better shopping/retail/leisure "experience" is needed. Pent up demand. Keep the money here rather than it leaking out to Cork and Dublin/Kildare in particular.

A council of despair changes nothing.

Wanderer78 · 17-03-2021 8:53am

The Continental Op wrote:

I don't but its fairly obvious people haven't been spending it in Waterford along with other towns and cities for a good few years now because of all the empty shops.

With deposits increasing significantly during covid, there certainly could be pent up demand there, when all this moves on. creating opportunities to spend makes a lot of sense, online retail is also exploding, putting extra pressure on local businesses

The Continental Op · 17-03-2021 10:37am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Which means a better shopping/retail/leisure "experience" is needed. Pent up demand. Keep the money here rather than it leaking out to Cork and Dublin/Kildare in particular.

A council of despair changes nothing.

Start by spending the money on easy free parking then.

But no the council would prefer to make it as difficult as possible for people to get into town and park a car to go shopping.

Maybe a council of despair but I do despair of the council.

JohnC. · 17-03-2021 10:51am

It's not difficult to park. And why should it be free?

The Continental Op · 17-03-2021 10:56am

JohnC. wrote: »

It's not difficult to park. And why should it be free?

Because you don't want to give people any reason not to come to Waterford and every reason not to go elsewhere.

Asdfgh2020 · 17-03-2021 10:01pm

The Continental Op wrote: »

Because you don't want to give people any reason not to come to Waterford and every reason not to go elsewhere.

Name an urban area/centre where there are no parking charges......? I would say locally parking charges are some of the lowest in the country. There are plenty of places where you can get parked for €5 for whole day. It would be close to that for an hour in cork or Dublin....is €5 going to make someone drive to Kilkenny, Wexford, cork Dublin for the day and spend up to €50 fuel/parking.....your argument is weak

The Continental Op · 17-03-2021 10:06pm

Asdfgh2020 wrote: »

Name an urban area/centre where there are no parking charges......? I would say locally parking charges are some of the lowest in the country. There are plenty of places where you can get parked for €5 for whole day. It would be close to that for an hour in cork or Dublin....is €5 going to make someone drive to Kilkenny, Wexford, cork Dublin for the day and spend up to €50 fuel/parking.....your argument is weak

I shop in Dungarvan and get free parking, hour and a half free in Scanlon,s yard then free in Aldi or Lidl.

Imagine Aldi or Lidl charging for parking?

BBM77 · 17-03-2021 10:23pm

The Continental Op wrote: »

I shop in Dungarvan and get free parking, hour and a half free in Scanlon,s yard then free in Aldi or Lidl.

Imagine Aldi or Lidl charging for parking?

Silly comparison in fairness. The reason is the population is so small in Dungarvan giving parking free for an hour and a half is not a problem. Doing that in Waterford city would clog all parking spaces up.

The Continental Op · 17-03-2021 10:39pm

BBM77 wrote: »

Silly comparison in fairness. The reason is the population is so small in Dungarvan giving parking free for an hour and a half is not a problem. Doing that in Waterford city would clog all parking spaces up.

That suggests paid parking is used to stop people from coming to Waterford? Why else would the parking spaces be clogged if parking was free? Free parking would only be clogged if there weren't enough parking spaces for all those that wanted to park.

Deiseen · 17-03-2021 10:41pm

Asdfgh2020 wrote: »

Name an urban area/centre where there are no parking charges......? I would say locally parking charges are some of the lowest in the country. There are plenty of places where you can get parked for €5 for whole day. It would be close to that for an hour in cork or Dublin....is €5 going to make someone drive to Kilkenny, Wexford, cork Dublin for the day and spend up to €50 fuel/parking.....your argument is weak

The argument is extremely weak but a lot of people seem to have this mindset.

Not really sure what to do in these cases? Maybe the only way is to provide 'free' parking but with a catch? Maybe spend €20+ in shops in town and your parking is free or something like that?

Parking in Waterford is basically free but you just cannot convince some people.

The Continental Op · 17-03-2021 10:48pm

Deiseen wrote: »

The argument is extremely weak but a lot of people seem to have this mindset.

Not really sure what to do in these cases? Maybe the only way is to provide 'free' parking but with a catch? Maybe spend €20+ in shops in town and your parking is free or something like that?

Parking in Waterford is basically free but you just cannot convince some people.

I used to work in the center, I'd take some convincing it was free or that there was enough of it.

BBM77 · 17-03-2021 11:03pm

The Continental Op wrote: »

That suggests paid parking is used to stop people from coming to Waterford? Why else would the parking spaces be clogged if parking was free? Free parking would only be clogged if there weren't enough parking spaces for all those that wanted to park.

Ahhhh, yeah!

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