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Malayalam

I really feel like exploding sometimes with the push of transgenderism on children. For adults, I truly do not care what you do with your body or mind - it is your business completely. Feel free!

But the treatment of children with gender dysphoria is the main social issue of my time with which I have the greatest difficulty. The push to lay the medical ground work for the transition of very young children via puberty blockers and ''social transitioning'' is truly insidious. Sure, a lot more of it seems to be in the US / Australia but the Tavistock Institute in the UK is pushing hard there. There are large online communities welcoming in confused kids and no one is saying anything even though this is as bad as pro anorexia or pro cutting sites. A lot of these kids left alone would desist, and/or accept that they are homosexual, but they are being chaperoned by counsellors and medics to make rapid, irreversible changes. The chemicals will harm them - vascular disease, diabetes, bone density. The ironic inherent contradiction in the ridiculous ideology when extrapolated to its conclusion is that children given puberty blockers when young are presenting for gender confirmation surgery at adulthood and finding they do not have sufficient genital tissue to accommodate the operation!
There is absolutely no need for this idiotic detachment of gender from biology at the youngest age - taking girl/boy references out of childhood books, going out of one's way not to promote gender identity from infancy, youth camps and festivals for transkids, even the fetishizing of drag kids. Worse still, pushing the idea that anyone who questions or does not support the fetish is phobic. It's quite perverted, because it emphasises sexuality in children to a degree that I find has positively pedophiliac undertones. I think a lot of these parents have Munchausen's-by-proxy. There are going to be so many fcuked up young people in some years - people who should have been left alone as kids instead of shoe-horned via a hugely-expanding transgender INDUSTRY.


This is the rag to my bull this morning..... Honestly, I could punch these degenerates. NSFW https://transkids.biz/products/extra-small-silicone-packers
Leave the children alone!

suicide_circus

hormones and ritalin make for better children

somefeen

Emmmm so what were you looking for when you found that?

Temptamperu

You transphobic peace of sh*t!!!

gifted

I just clicked on the link........funny feeling I'm now on a list...

wexie

I have to say I absolutely 100% agree with you, but I can't see this thread going very well as it's becoming an increasingly unpopular point of view.

(Also what the hell were you googling? )

Malayalam

somefeen wrote: »

Emmmm so what were you looking for when you found that?

I was looking at my regular, normal twitter feed.... this sort of sh*t gets around you know.

Sky King

Hopefully my browser has a ULTRA-MEGA DELETE HISTORY option. FFS.

mohawk

Could that link not of come with a warning. Something along the lines of never click this link ever.

wexie

Malayalam wrote: »

I was looking at my regular, normal twitter feed.... this sort of sh*t gets around you know.

I found your problem!!!

Yer welcome

xabi

Why the **** did I click the link on a Saturday morning, ffs op

Malayalam

wexie wrote: »

I have to say I absolutely 100% agree with you, but I can't see this thread going very well as it's becoming an increasingly unpopular point of view.

(Also what the hell were you googling? )

But its's all so fecking crazy. I remember hearing Bret Weinstein a year or so ago say that older women (I'm not that old, but no longer that young) when they had reared their own children turned their attention to the lineage, and that evolutionary biology had provided them with a sort of farsight for the lineage. My farsight sensors are blazing and beeping so loud on this trans kids stuff that it makes me want to roar!

I was about to play devil's advocate and argue against you but that link... Wtf

Malayalam

Just in case someone thinks i have linked to some porn site or weird thing, this is a ''regular'' online business facilitating transitioning kids. Fact is this is a burgeoning area for business...
How about this Huff post article lauding a drag kid. Is that kosher enough?
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/meet-drag-kid-desmond_us_5b3652c2e4b08c3a8f69d067

wexie

Malayalam wrote: »

But its's all so fecking crazy. I remember hearing Bret Weinstein a year or so ago say that older women (I'm not that old, but no longer that young) when they had reared their own children turned their attention to the lineage, and that evolutionary biology had provided them with a sort of farsight for the lineage. My farsight sensors are blazing and beeping so loud on this trans kids stuff that it makes me want to roar!

I think it's absolutely bonkers and I can't see how it's not going to lead to a massive increase in cases where people regret the choices they made (or more appropriately : were made for them).

What I find even scarier than the parents buying into this is the medical community buying into it.

Anecdotally I know about a gender specialist in the HSE (no longer I believe) who's philosophy was that all that is needed to start transitioning is the patients consent. That's it, no psychological evaluation or anything.



(by the way I don't know if this specialist decide to leave of his own accord, or was asked to leave and if that was the case if it was based on his ideas)

dexter_morgan

Malayalam wrote: »

This is the rag to my bull this morning..... Honestly, I could punch these degenerates. https://transkids.biz/products/extra-small-silicone-packers
Leave the children alone!

Putting one of those near a child should be classed as sexual assault

Graces7

Malayalam wrote: »

I really feel like exploding sometimes with the push of transgenderism on children. For adults, I truly do not care what you do with your body or mind - it is your business completely. Feel free!

But the treatment of children with gender dysphoria is the main social issue of my time with which I have the greatest difficulty. The push to lay the medical ground work for the transition of very young children via puberty blockers and ''social transitioning'' is truly insidious. Sure, a lot more of it seems to be in the US / Australia but the Tavistock Institute in the UK is pushing hard there. There are large online communities welcoming in confused kids and no one is saying anything even though this is as bad as pro anorexia or pro cutting sites. A lot of these kids left alone would desist, and/or accept that they are homosexual, but they are being chaperoned by counsellors and medics to make rapid, irreversible changes. The chemicals will harm them - vascular disease, diabetes, bone density. The ironic inherent contradiction in the ridiculous ideology when extrapolated to its conclusion is that children given puberty blockers when young are presenting for gender confirmation surgery at adulthood and finding they do not have sufficient genital tissue to accommodate the operation!
There is absolutely no need for this idiotic detachment of gender from biology at the youngest age - taking girl/boy references out of childhood books, going out of one's way not to promote gender identity from infancy, youth camps and festivals for transkids, even the fetishizing of drag kids. Worse still, pushing the idea that anyone who questions or does not support the fetish is phobic. It's quite perverted, because it emphasises sexuality in children to a degree that I find has positively pedophiliac undertones. I think a lot of these parents have Munchausen's-by-proxy. There are going to be so many fcuked up young people in some years - people who should have been left alone as kids instead of shoe-horned via a hugely-expanding transgender INDUSTRY.


This is the rag to my bull this morning..... Honestly, I could punch these degenerates. https://transkids.biz/products/extra-small-silicone-packers
Leave the children alone!

Amen to this

Caught a youtube of a little one, really a boy but now a girl outwardly. Because at 8 years the child preferred girl things.
Doing ballet.. pink hair,, hormones fed to her and soon to have more to block male puberty

"She" is evangelising, aged 10 . for transchildren. Lovely child but...

This thread should be interesting. Rational views will be classed as transphobic and transphobic views will be viewed as rational. This will bring out the worst of both sides.

Malayalam

Deleted User wrote: »

This thread should be interesting. Rational views will be classed as transphobic and transphobic views will be viewed as rational. This will bring out the worst of both sides.

Sorry. I just had to express myself. Like I say what adults do is their own business. But this childhood stuff is leaking out from Dysphoria conditions to impinge on regular childhoods such as where the terms boy and girl should not be mentioned in books. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/victorian-councils-auditing-childrens-books-on-gender-grounds/news-story/ffeeb0c76090f2461e9babc895e7da61
How confused will children end up?

TerrorFirmer

I deeply regret clicking that link in work.

ArchXStanton

There definitely seems to be a push on,glad I'm not the only one who's noticed

Signore Fancy Pants

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Malayalam

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I deeply regret clicking that link in work.

Perhaps I should edit the OP to say that the link contains an image and purchasing link to tiny silicone penises available in an online shop for transkids, the slightly larger penis being geared for children aged 5 - 8 years and the mini one for children under 5, that they can wear in tight underpants so that small girls who identify as boys can get the satisfactory feeling of ''packing''

It's just too ridiculous. But not even as ridiculous as the far more regular and unquestioned practice of administering drugs to children to stop the development of their secondary sexual characteristics or the normal growth of their penis, or binders for girls who have been taught to hate their breasts....or, I could go on forever. Because guess what trans lobby, the rest of us are not sitting around dribbling confusedly while you round up the kids, we can see perfectly well what is happening. :mad:

Not at all. I actually meant it will be interesting. You are completely entitled to hold your concerns and I don't necessarily disagree with everything you said.

There is absolutely an erosion of certain societal norms for the sake of pandering to a vocal minority and to grandstand as some sort of Liberal pariah. Not everything is an attack on a minority although everything seems to be interpreted as such.

I'm just waiting for the ridiculous attacks from both sides. Unless you wholesale agree with zealots on either side you are either a transphobe or child abuser.

I think at the minute I'm classed as a transphobe for saying distinctly untransphobic comments.. I'm sure that will change soon depending on what way my words are misrepresented. I'm sure it's only a matter of time until I'm racist, ageist and anti semetic for disliking woody allen.

Graces7

Deleted User wrote: »

Not at all. I actually meant it will be interesting. You are completely entitled to hold your concerns and I don't necessarily disagree with everything you said.

There is absolutely an erosion of certain societal norms for the sake of pandering to a vocal minority and to grandstand as some sort of Liberal pariah. Not everything is an attack on a minority although everything seems to be interpreted as such.

I'm just waiting for the ridiculous attacks from both sides. Unless you wholesale agree with zealots on either side you are either a transphobe or child abuser.

I think at the minute I'm classed as a transphobe for saying distinctly untransphobic comments.. I'm sure that will change soon depending on what way my words are misrepresented. I'm sure it's only a matter of time until I'm racist, ageist and anti semetic for disliking woody allen.

Do you really care what others think and say? Would it change your views?

sabat

How come the black todger isn't available in mini? That's ethnic stereotyping and I've a good mind to report them to the NAACP.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0895/5586/products/colors_packersMINI_large.jpg?v=1503593198


Images removed, still there in the link. LINK IS NSFW

Malayalam

That's edgy research there, sabat. Good work

HappyAsLarE

The Left went too far with the Gulags. Now they are going to far with bull****.

wexie

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

The Left went too far with the Gulags. Now they are going to far with bull****.

Just out of morbid curiosity......do you think they are one and the same left?

pleas advice

Malayalam wrote: »

Perhaps I should edit the OP to say that the link contains an image and purchasing link to tiny silicone penises available in an online shop for transkids, the slightly larger penis being geared for children aged 5 - 8 years and the mini one for children under 5, that they can wear in tight underpants so that small girls who identify as boys can get the satisfactory feeling of ''packing'' :

"Wear underwear over these to avoid the harm that zippers and seams can do."

thats some good advice right there^

pleas advice

Now these may look "too" tiny to some, but we have done a lot of research and think these are pretty accurate in their overall size. That said they are a scaled down version of a larger Packer, so the proportion is not what you might see attached to an AMAB kid.

AMAB = assigned male at birth, had to look that up

HappyAsLarE

wexie wrote: »

Just out of morbid curiosity......do you think they are one and the same left?

No, but people need to be wary of when the wings spread too far from centre.

TheValeyard

Why all circumcised? Trans discrimination against natural foreskin!


#foreskinEquality

dexter_morgan

Nuts by Nuts

Nuts buy Nuts

Nuts

Malayalam

pleas advice wrote: »

AMAB = assigned male at birth, had to look that up

I reckon people should look up a lot more stuff regarding transkids. If I talk about it though to people I know, or family, the 90% reaction is flinching, head -shaking and refusal to discuss. As if it is some crazy underground weird stuff that will have no affect on their lives, or their children, or grandchildren.
But it will have an affect on future generations. This is one branch of transhumanism, the deeply subversive idea that humans can be built better. And the targeting of children is an active, manipulative and very well-funded lobby. I heard about the stated intention of politically rationalising puberty blockers for young children over 10 YEARS AGO from someone in the know. And it has come to pass. There is nothing innocent about this movement. It has not been generated from grass roots - it is social engineering.

Will I Am Not

Possibly more disturbing is that their colours are flavours. Could they not have called them brown, light brown etc?
Weird.

wexie

Malayalam wrote: »

This is one branch of transhumanism, the deeply subversive idea that humans can be built better. And the targeting of children is an active, manipulative and very well-funded lobby. I heard about the stated intention of politically rationalising puberty blockers for young children over 10 YEARS AGO from someone in the know. And it has come to pass. There is nothing innocent about this movement. It has not been generated from grass roots - it is social engineering.

With what goal though??

Like what is it they are trying to achieve?

I'm all for trying to build a society where as many people can be as happy as they can be etc. etc. etc.

But that's not what's being achieved here. What this is encouraging is lots of people all of a sudden realizing (when their brains and personalities have finally matured) that they've made a really horrible mistake from which there is no way back.

And before anybody starts with the transphobia nonsense : I absolutely believe gender dysphoria is real and appreciate (as much as I can) that it is probably a hugely complicated issue. If someone suffers from it I would be fully supportive of a society that supports people in sorting that out for and with them.

What I do not believe however is that life changing, irreversible decisions such as these can be made pre puberty. Just as I believe that we shouldn't force 10 year old to pick a profession and in the grand scheme of things that would be a much less far reaching decision.

Malayalam

wexie wrote: »

With what goal though??

Like what is it they are trying to achieve?

I'm all for trying to build a society where as many people can be as happy as they can be etc. etc. etc.

But that's not what's being achieved here. What this is encouraging is lots of people all of a sudden realizing (when their brains and personalities have finally matured) that they've made a really horrible mistake from which there is no way back.

And before anybody starts with the transphobia nonsense : I absolutely believe gender dysphoria is real and appreciate (as much as I can) that it is probably a hugely complicated issue. If someone suffers from it I would be fully supportive of a society that supports people in sorting that out for and with them.

What I do not believe however is that life changing, irreversible decisions such as these can be made pre puberty. Just as I don't believe that we shouldn't force 10 year old to pick a profession and in the grand scheme of things that would be a much less far reaching decision.

Well without going into some of my ideas that are more out there I suggest business and money as a goal for a start. To have a growing percentage of children hooked into perpetual daily reliance on the pharmaceutical industry with lifelong need for surgeries, not to mention counsellors, psychotherapists, advocates, trainers, educators, etc. this is a huge potential market for unscrupulous profiteers.

Omackeral

pleas advice wrote: »

AMAB = assigned male at birth, had to look that up

Or as we call it in the real world, a baby boy.

heretothere

That is honestly disturbing! I am all for adults being who they want to be and honestly if they are doing what makes them happy and it's not hurting anyone go for it.

But under 5 tiny fake willies wtf! How can a child that young possibly know. Transgender must affect a tiny % of the population and they will come to that conclusion naturally over their life. Why go around confusing things

wexie

Malayalam wrote: »

Well without going into some of my ideas that are more out there I suggest business and money as a goal for a start. To have a growing percentage of children hooked into perpetual daily reliance on the pharmaceutical industry with lifelong need for surgeries, not to mention counsellors, psychotherapists, advocates, trainers, educators, etc. this is a huge potential market for unscrupulous profiteers.

Well....I guess get em while they're young makes sense from a business point of view....but bleedin 'ell. I do hope that's not true.

Curious about your even more out there ideas now.

Malayalam

wexie wrote: »

Well....I guess get em while they're young makes sense from a business point of view....but bleedin 'ell. I do hope that's not true.

Curious about your even more out there ideas now.

I will hang onto them to keep me warm in my lair, but a suggestion of a more subversive idea would be the atomisation of social bonds and the breakdown of the individual into a state of restless anomie that makes them much more dependent on the state rather than on traditional structures. For example one can see hints of this in legislation that could (I did not say will) remove children from the family if the parents will not take institutional advice to transition or adequately support their children to this end.eg Bill 89 in Ontario.

Graces7

Graces7 wrote:

Do you really care what others think and say? Would it change your views?

Yes. That's why I use discussion boards; to see others points of view and then weigh them against my knowledge and beliefs and then come to an informed opinion.

Quite bizarre that you would think any different.

Do you come on to threads close minded?

FurBabyMomma

I think that if more people were willing to let kids be kids and express themselves how they want without trying to read into their futures, then we would see less extremism on either side.

For example, my 2 year old boy is absolutely nuts about vehicles and given that neither myself or his father are, this is something that comes from him. At the same time, if his sister puts sparkly clips in her hair, he will come looking for them too. He'll put a baby doll to bed and tell us all to be quiet. He has a pram that sometimes has a teddy in it, but mainly trucks and sand.

None of this means anything to him. All toys are fun. Sparkly things are nice to look at. If an adult wants to make a judgement that allowing him to do these things will "turn him gay' (very common reaction still) or that at 2 he is confused about his gender, then the problem lies with the adult projecting their viewpoint onto him. Kids are kids and should be free from judgement.

Lone Stone

i thought this was about peak trains for some reason

wexie

^^^^^

what she said

they're kids, let them be kids, if they're weird kids, let them be weird kids

FTA69

I'm sick to the back bollix of this sort of stuff to be honest. I'm sick of hearing about it

padd b1975

Too immature to vote.
Too immature to drive.
Too immature to have sexual intercourse.
Too immature to live independently.

Mature enough to have their minds filled with this dangerous guff.

Scary times we're living in...

Atoms for Peace

Those parents are self entitled lunatics obviously suffering some sort of Munchausen syndrome by proxy.

FTA69

The left in Britain are consumed with this sh*t, the heads of the unions and various Labour Party types are in the press this week rowing over it - mainly because some trans activists have been beating up and threatening left wing feminists who disagree with them. It's mental. I had to do security at a labour event last Saturday because a speaker there was deemed "anti-trans" and the ent was subjected to threats.

In Haringey we had a left alliance to take over the council, throw out the Blairite types and prevent all the council housing being sold to a private developer. Now that alliance is being destroyed as people row about terminology and who gets to p*ss where. As if anyone in Tottenham gives a solitary f*ck about this kind of thing. So instead of the left talking about housing, jobs, youth opportunities and services - we're shouting about some niche virtue signalling dogsh*t. It's embarrassing at times. It really is.

Malayalam

FTA69 wrote: »

The left in Britain are consumed with this sh*t, the heads of the unions and various Labour Party types are in the press this week rowing over it - mainly because some trans activists have been beating up and threatening left wing feminists who disagree with them. It's mental. I had to do security at a labour event last Saturday because a speaker there was deemed "anti-trans" and the ent was subjected to threats.

In Haringey we had a left alliance to take over the council, throw out the Blairite types and prevent all the council housing being sold to a private developer. Now that alliance is being destroyed as people row about terminology and who gets to p*ss where. As if anyone in Tottenham gives a solitary f*ck about this kind of thing. So instead of the left talking about housing, jobs, youth opportunities and services - we're shouting about some niche virtue signalling dogsh*t. It's embarrassing at times. It really is.

that's part of it. Divide and conquer. Take the sting out of real issues by making people crazy.