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So Michael D IS running again!

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  • #272
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Why do you keep making a point about him being a good candidate? That has nothing to do with the topic which is about him lying/ being economical with the truth or what ever you want to call it.

    Changing his mind after a number of years in the job?


  • #273
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,083 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I am completely disappointed with Higgins running again. The country has changed dramatically over the last seven years, so we should be thinking about changing the person who symbolises the country. Higgins is now a man of the past.

    Unfortunately, to date the alternatives are not so good. There is the anti-vaxxer from Sinn Fein who would be worse than Higgins a symbol, then there is Gavin Duffy who is a businessman turned TV star, not exactly inspiring, the rest I don't know.


  • #274
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I am completely disappointed with Higgins running again. The country has changed dramatically over the last seven years, so we should be thinking about changing the person who symbolises the country. Higgins is now a man of the past.

    Unfortunately, to date the alternatives are not so good. There is the anti-vaxxer from Sinn Fein who would be worse than Higgins a symbol, then there is Gavin Duffy who is a businessman turned TV star, not exactly inspiring, the rest I don't know.

    You've convinced me. Higgins it is.


  • #275
    AGC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭AGC


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Why do you keep making a point about him being a good candidate? That has nothing to do with the topic which is about him lying/ being economical with the truth or what ever you want to call it.

    If You take such exception with a politician changing his mind on a matter like this I would hate to see your reaction on something important.

    He said he was doing 1 term and at the time might have genuinely felt that was what he would do, I am sure he has seen the support he received in 2011 and around the country over the last 7 years to see that people like you are in the minority and that he still has te support of enough people.


  • #276
    oscarBravo
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    I am completely disappointed with Higgins running again. The country has changed dramatically over the last seven years, so we should be thinking about changing the person who symbolises the country. Higgins is now a man of the past.

    I get why someone would want a different president, whether or not I agree with their reasons.

    What I don't get is why they would think that wanting a different president is in any way a reason why the incumbent shouldn't run for re-election.


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  • #277
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,211 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Changing his mind after a number of years in the job?

    Shortly after Gallagher screwed up and he knew he had it in the bag he changed tack and said in his inimiitable mother of sorrows tone that he could always of course 'be influenced by the will of the people' . This guy is the consummate politician, he played people for a sap and is back doing it again and still some are falling for it. I guess a few Gra Mo chrois and talking in riddles does it for some.


  • #278
    dulpit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,191 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Shortly after Gallagher screwed up and he knew he had it in the bag he changed tack and said in his inimiitable mother of sorrows tone that he could always of course 'be influenced by the will of the people' . This guy is the consummate politician , he played people for a sap and is back doing it again and still some are falling for it. I guess a few Gra Mo chrois and talking in riddles does it for some.
    I hate it when politicians run for jobs as politicians. That's the worst. :rolleyes:


  • #279
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,186 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You know Dan if you're not happy about it you can just, you know, not vote for him ?

    It sounds like you're suggesting something daft like he shouldn't be allowed to run.

    © 1982 Sinclair Research Ltd



  • #280
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,211 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    dulpit wrote: »
    I hate it when politicians run for jobs as politicians. That's the worst. :rolleyes:

    No the worst is when some actually believe what he says!


  • #281
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,211 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

    It sounds like you're suggesting something daft like he shouldn't be allowed to run.

    It may sound like that to you but probably not to anybody else.


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  • #282
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Michael d was touted as a man of the people by many for all the great work he did to help the people of countries under oppressive leadership.
    He criticed Reagan's foreign policy when many in this country were raving about how great the man was.
    He is a great man and will be remembered as one. He is loved by the people of a lot of nations because of all his great work. This work didn't help him get elected as a TD, he wasn't going around saying 'I did this', he was just passionate about the plight of people in bad situations.

    Michael D has always been incredibly selective about the "oppressive" regimes that he will criticise, and the ones that he will eulogise.

    He gets a massive free pass from the Irish media on some of the dodgy characters that he's lent his support to over the years.

    That said, I've no particular issue with him running again - that's his right as the incumbent, and he also has the right to change his mind from his previous intention not to run.

    As it stands he appears to be the best of a bad bunch, so can't see how he won't be re-elected.


  • #283
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,186 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    It may sound like that to you but probably not to anybody else.

    You made the one point you have in your OP and since then just repeat repeat repeat.

    blackwhite wrote: »
    He gets a massive free pass from the Irish media on some of the dodgy characters that he's lent his support to over the years.

    But they all reported on what he said on the deaths of Chavez and Castro. It seems that the Irish public mostly don't care. If they do, it'll come out in the campaign.
    That said, I've no particular issue with him running again - that's his right as the incumbent, and he also has the right to change his mind from his previous intention not to run.

    Exactly which makes this thread pointless really

    © 1982 Sinclair Research Ltd



  • #284
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Shortly after Gallagher screwed up and he knew he had it in the bag he changed tack and said in his inimiitable mother of sorrows tone that he could always of course 'be influenced by the will of the people' . This guy is the consummate politician, he played people for a sap and is back doing it again and still some are falling for it. I guess a few Gra Mo chrois and talking in riddles does it for some.

    He's been an excellent President. The last thing we need is another social media/snapchat style over content representative. Putting up with chancers in government is par for the course but a President has the opportunity to distance him or herself from the slight of hand quality we'd get from a Gallagher or Duffy.
    You don't like him and that's grand. He changed his mind, that's it, whatever the reasoning or insinuation. Get over it. Don't vote for him. He did absolutely nothing other than change his mind. I'm glad he did. I'd hate if we got stuck with a jack ass.


  • #285
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,083 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    He's been an excellent President. The last thing we need is another social media/snapchat style over content representative. Putting up with chancers in government is par for the course but a President has the opportunity to distance him or herself from the slight of hand quality we'd get from a Gallagher or Duffy.
    You don't like him and that's grand. He changed his mind, that's it, whatever the reasoning or insinuation. Get over it. Don't vote for him. He did absolutely nothing other than change his mind. I'm glad he did. I'd hate if we got stuck with a jack ass.


    Can you link to any substantive change in Irish society or in world views that Michael D. Higgins as President has been responsible for?

    Your second point that he did absolutely nothing other than change his mind may be more true than you realise.


  • #286
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,211 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    blackwhite wrote: »
    Michael D has always been incredibly selective about the "oppressive" regimes that he will criticise, and the ones that he will eulogise.

    He gets a massive free pass from the Irish media on some of the dodgy characters that he's lent his support to over the years.

    Hear Hear!


  • #287
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Can you link to any substantive change in Irish society or in world views that Michael D. Higgins as President has been responsible for?

    Your second point that he did absolutely nothing other than change his mind may be more true than you realise.

    As President, no. Is that what the president does? So what has Daniel O'Donnell done to fix the health service like? Not what he does?
    I'm referring to an excellent ambassador for the nation as oppose to the riff raff and self publicists we could have or may end up with. You yourself don't hold any of the current contenders in high esteem.


  • #288
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I am completely disappointed with Higgins running again. The country has changed dramatically over the last seven years, so we should be thinking about changing the person who symbolises the country. Higgins is now a man of the past.

    All fluff! There is only one job that the President needs to be good at and that is defending the constitution. The last thing we need in that position is someone with an agenda, because this is not an American presidency and having an agenda could very quickly lead to a constitutional crisis! If you have an agenda then the Dail is were you belong not the presidency.


  • #289
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,750 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    He is on working holidays a lot of the time.
    Went to the funeral of mass killer Fidel Castro and talked of his deep sadness at his death.
    A most over rated president, and keep the media onside by inviting them over for tea so they go easy on him.
    Probably the biggest chancer in the Aras in a long time, lied about one term to get in, goes around espousing anti-capitalist views while living the life of a champagne socialist.


  • #290
    batgoat
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    He is on working holidays a lot of the time.
    Went to the funeral of mass killer Fidel Castro and talked of his deep sadness at his death.
    A most over rated president, and keep the media onside by inviting them over for tea so they go easy on him.
    Probably the biggest chancer in the Aras in a long time, lied about one term to get in, goes around espousing anti-capitalist views while living the life of a champagne socialist.

    People change their mind Robert, he reasonably assumed he wouldn't be as fit for the job as he actually turned out to be. "Anti Capitalist views", are you trying to bring back McCarthyism? You live in a socialist state, many of his speeches have focused on issues of housing and poverty. Outrageous! I would say in general that our last 3 presidents have been superb and have brought their own slant to the presidency that has made the role far more relevant.


  • #291
    AGC
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    He is on working holidays a lot of the time.
    Went to the funeral of mass killer Fidel Castro and talked of his deep sadness at his death.
    A most over rated president, and keep the media onside by inviting them over for tea so they go easy on him.
    Probably the biggest chancer in the Aras in a long time, lied about one term to get in, goes around espousing anti-capitalist views while living the life of a champagne socialist.

    Complete rubbish, if you’re going to try have a go at least come with facts.


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  • #292
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Higgins is taking the Irish tax payer for a ride.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/ras-silence-on-claims-higgins-stayed-in-3000anight-hotel-37198861.html


  • #293
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,750 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    AGC wrote: »
    Complete rubbish, if you’re going to try have a go at least come with facts.

    Complaining about facts but gave a reply with no substance.


  • #294
    AGC
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Complaining about facts but gave a reply with no substance.

    He did not go to Castro’s funeral.


  • #295
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,301 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    RobertKK wrote: »
    He is on working holidays a lot of the time.
    Went to the funeral of mass killer Fidel Castro and talked of his deep sadness at his death.
    A most over rated president, and keep the media onside by inviting them over for tea so they go easy on him.
    Probably the biggest chancer in the Aras in a long time, lied about one term to get in, goes around espousing anti-capitalist views while living the life of a champagne socialist.

    Michael D. didn't go to Castro's funeral. He did however make a State visit to Cuba after his death. Castro is as much of a mass killer as the previous Baptista regime, aided by the US war machine who were just as responsible.

    One thing Michael D. does very effectively - and that is get right up the nose of the Israelis for being very articulate about their treatment of the Palestinians.


  • #296
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Higgins is taking the Irish tax payer for a ride.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/ras-silence-on-claims-higgins-stayed-in-3000anight-hotel-37198861.html

    BS, Geneva is one one the most expensive cities in the world. A clown seeking publicity and a journalist seek ad clicks. Not news.


  • #297
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,301 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Higgins is taking the Irish tax payer for a ride.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/ras-silence-on-claims-higgins-stayed-in-3000anight-hotel-37198861.html

    Bearing in mind he was the keynote speaker at the conference, I'd imagine the organisers would have arranged his accommodation and picked up the tab.

    http://www.president.ie/en/diary/details/president-delivers-keynote-address-at-ilo-world-of-work-summit-geneva


  • #298
    AGC
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    jm08 wrote: »
    Bearing in mind he was the keynote speaker at the conference, I'd imagine the organisers would have arranged his accommodation and picked up the tab.

    http://www.president.ie/en/diary/details/president-delivers-keynote-address-at-ilo-world-of-work-summit-geneva

    As would be common place with most visiting heads of state to any country


  • #299
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    jm08 wrote: »
    Bearing in mind he was the keynote speaker at the conference, I'd imagine the organisers would have arranged his accommodation and picked up the tab.

    http://www.president.ie/en/diary/details/president-delivers-keynote-address-at-ilo-world-of-work-summit-geneva

    Would you now? Well you were wrong. So how much more digging do you want to do???


  • #300
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    AGC wrote: »
    As would be common place with most visiting heads of state to any country

    He was not on a state visit to Switzerland. And in such situations the visiting head of state is the responsibility of the embassy and as already pointed out standard protocol was followed. Any any given day in Switzerland we probably have between 10 and 20 heads of states in the country.

    More BS digging for no good reason other than trying to find cause for complaint.


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  • #301
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Jim2007 wrote: »
    BS, Geneva is one one the most expensive cities in the world. A clown seeking publicity and a journalist seek ad clicks. Not news.




    He could only find a hotel room for 3k ? I don't buy it.

    If he could only find a room for 500 Euro per night then fair enough, but 3k is just taking the piss.

    Higgins is the very definition of a champagne socialist/limousine liberal.


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