So Michael D IS running again!

For Forks Sake · 03-09-2018 10:41pm

Gemma O'Doherty was interviewed by Pascal Sheehy (who carries all the threat of a small puppy) and made an absolute show of herself: go to 16:25 for the fun

For Forks Sake · 03-09-2018 10:57pm

Things don't seem to have improved for her in Cork this evening either

https://twitter.com/pjcoogan/status/1036705486933053440

oof.

Hurrache · 03-09-2018 11:30pm

And she wasn't happy with this
https://twitter.com/LauraMcGonigle/status/1036708638709174272?s=19

https://twitter.com/LauraMcGonigle/status/1036718681412263938?s=19

And then she doubles down
https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1036729880023629829?s=19

04-09-2018 9:26am

Saw Sarah Louise Mulligan on TV3 last night. Had no idea who she was a quick google sorted that

blanch152 · 04-09-2018 9:40am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It was headline news on RTE. Membership defies the leadership.

No biggie, just embarrassing and it may develop into some councilors out on the canvas and campaigning against the chosen FG candidate.

Why is it embarrassing to see a political party with members free to disagree with the leadership as opposed to a political party where members fall in rank like a military organisation with everything the secret leadership decides?

glenfieldman · 04-09-2018 10:05am

Deleted User wrote: »

Saw Sarah Louise Mulligan on TV3 last night. Had no idea who she was a quick google sorted that

Did you see the Sky News debate she had with Colm OGorman ? 100% cringe

04-09-2018 10:12am

glenfieldman wrote: »

Did you see the Sky News debate she had with Colm OGorman ? 100% cringe

I hadn't but I had a look for it there, cringe is an understatement. Hilariously it's posted on her own youtube channel :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tja3CkGqoYg

glenfieldman · 04-09-2018 10:23am

Deleted User wrote: »

I hadn't but I had a look for it there, cringe is an understatement. Hilariously it's posted on her own youtube channel
She also has a clip of Farage in Dublin and she is Voxboxed for 10 seconds :rolleyes:

Hurrache · 04-09-2018 10:32am

blackwhite wrote: »

From what I’ve heard, Freeman has said she voted No herself, but doesn’t seemed to have been involved in any of the campaigns

Her “links” to the Iona Institute is that Maria Steen is her niece. She herself doesn’t seem to have any involvement, but the “liberals” of boards seem to think it’s very progressive to condemn people based on the unconnected actions of their relatives.
She has co-sponsored legislation to prohibit “conversion” therapy, which would put her at odds with the Iona hardliners - but again our “liberal” posters choose to ignore that, and try to imply she’s a paid up member :rolleyes:

She claimed this morning to have never heard of the Iona institute until the 8th referendum, despite her high profile niece as mentioned above. So is she lying, or is she so sheltered from what's happening in Ireland?

https://twitter.com/newsworthy_ie/status/1036902002654150656

blackwhite · 04-09-2018 10:41am

Hurrache wrote: »

She claimed this morning to have never heard of the Iona institute until the 8th referendum, despite her high profile niece as mentioned above. So is she lying, or is she so sheltered from what's happening in Ireland?

https://twitter.com/newsworthy_ie/status/1036902002654150656

TBH that doesn't come across as very credible - given that they were so high profile during the Marriage referendum also.

Her campaign to date has been very quiet - would be interesting to see if anyone will publish what she presented to Cork CC to win them over (I understand all candidates sent a letter or manifesto pack in advance?)

FrancieBrady · 04-09-2018 1:39pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Why is it embarrassing to see a political party with members free to disagree with the leadership

A party issues a decree telling members to do something, and not a wet week into the nomination process the main news is reporting the membership as openly 'defying' the leadership????

No, nothing to see here, move along now.

blanch152 · 04-09-2018 2:53pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A party issues a decree telling members to do something, and not a wet week into the nomination process the main news is reporting the membership as openly 'defying' the leadership????

No, nothing to see here, move along now.

For such a big scandal, you seem to be the only one talking about it.

FrancieBrady · 04-09-2018 5:14pm

blanch152 wrote: »

For such a big scandal, you seem to be the only one talking about it.

I didn't say it was a scandal, I have said a few times that it is hilarious

blanch152 · 04-09-2018 5:37pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It was headline news on RTE. Membership defies the leadership.

No biggie, just embarrassing and it may develop into some councilors out on the canvas and campaigning against the chosen FG candidate.

There is no chosen FG candidate, there is a FG-backed candidate.

Very different.

FrancieBrady · 04-09-2018 5:41pm

blanch152 wrote: »

There is no chosen FG candidate, there is a FG-backed candidate.

Very different.

Fair enough, if the distinction is important to you.

For Forks Sake · 04-09-2018 10:03pm

Joan Freeman claims she didn't know of the Iona Institute until the recent referendum, in spite of the fact that her sister and niece were prominent spokespeople for said 'institute'.

Yeah, I'm not buying that.

https://twitter.com/newsworthy_ie/status/1036902002654150656

Cork Boy 53 · 05-09-2018 1:12pm

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Joan Freeman claims she didn't know of the Iona Institute until the recent referendum, in spite of the fact that her sister and niece were prominent spokespeople for said 'institute'.

Yeah, I'm not buying that.

https://twitter.com/newsworthy_ie/status/1036902002654150656

At the end of the day does it really matter if she was aware of the Iona Institute or not? She is attempting to get into the Aras on her own views/policies, not those of her family/relatives.

Zubeneschamali · 05-09-2018 1:16pm

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

At the end of the day does it really matter if she was aware of the Iona Institute or not? She is attempting to get into the Aras on her own views/ policies not those of her family/relatives.

Ionanism runs in families.

feargale · 05-09-2018 1:28pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A party issues a decree telling members to do something, and not a wet week into the nomination process the main news is reporting the membership as openly 'defying' the leadership????

No, nothing to see here, move along now.

Yes, there appears to be a degree of dissent in FG, and in FF too. They both need an army council to whip their foot soldiers (sorry, members) into line.

FrancieBrady · 05-09-2018 2:07pm

feargale wrote: »

Yes, there appears to be a degree of dissent in FG, and in FF too. They both need an army council to whip their foot soldiers (sorry, members) into line.

The reason I am not in a political party is because I couldn't take a party whip or decree.
One wonders why be in FG or any other party and not do what the party want you to do? Openly 'defying' the leadership would signal problems in others parties would it not?

For Forks Sake · 05-09-2018 3:19pm

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

At the end of the day does it really matter if she was aware of the Iona Institute or not? She is attempting to get into the Aras on her own views/policies, not those of her family/relatives.

She sits (I believe vice-chair) on the Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs, they took submissions from the Iona Institute in Feb 2017, so she's either derelict in the duty of her role, or being economical with the truth, either of which should warrant further scrutiny.

blanch152 · 05-09-2018 3:30pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The reason I am not in a political party is because I couldn't take a party whip or decree.
One wonders why be in FG or any other party and not do what the party want you to do? Openly 'defying' the leadership would signal problems in others parties would it not?

I am not a member of a political party either, but I am a member of a number of other organisations. I don't let them tell me what to do and so what?

It is interesting that only SF supporters seem to expect undivided loyalty and fealty from those who are members and councillors. It would explain some of the issues of bullying in that party.

Loafing Oaf · 05-09-2018 3:55pm

For Forks Sake wrote: »

She sits (I believe vice-chair) on the Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs, they took submissions from the Iona Institute in Feb 2017, so she's either derelict in the duty of her role, or being economical with the truth, either of which should warrant further scrutiny.

This sort of thing will probably wreck any appeal she has for the Catholic Right. If she's bending over backwards not to be associated with them, why exactly should they vote for her?

Hurrache · 05-09-2018 3:55pm

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

At the end of the day does it really matter if she was aware of the Iona Institute or not? She is attempting to get into the Aras on her own views/policies, not those of her family/relatives.

Yes, as it raises issues regarding her credibility, or if she has a closeted awareness of what's happening in the state.

Water John · 05-09-2018 4:04pm

We know she personally voted no, but took no part in the Ref. Can't see the point of trying to overflog any family connection to the no campaign.

Hurrache · 05-09-2018 4:05pm

People aren't overflogging the family connection, they're wondering why someone with her family and her role as a senator can claim to have never heard of Iona until the 8th referendum.

feargale · 05-09-2018 4:27pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The reason I am not in a political party is because I couldn't take a party whip or decree.

Lots of people are not in parties. However, it's a wonder you are not in SF because if you have ever uttered a word against them or taken issue with them in any way I for one have missed it.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

One wonders why be in FG or any other party and not do what the party want you to do? Openly 'defying' the leadership would signal problems in others parties would it not?

Because if two people have the same view on everything under the sun then only one of them is thinking. For those who don't like diversity of opinion there are parties that specialise in thought control.

VinLieger · 05-09-2018 5:08pm

Water John wrote: »

We know she personally voted no, but took no part in the Ref. Can't see the point of trying to overflog any family connection to the no campaign.

Because shes been caught out in a blatant lie, so now the obvious question is why is she lying?

FrancieBrady · 05-09-2018 5:17pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I am not a member of a political party either, but I am a member of a number of other organisations. I don't let them tell me what to do and so what?

It is interesting that only SF supporters seem to expect undivided loyalty and fealty from those who are members and councillors. It would explain some of the issues of bullying in that party.

feargale wrote: »

Lots of people are not in parties. However, it's a wonder you are not in SF because if you have ever uttered a word against them or taken issue with them in any way I for one have missed it.

Because if two people have the same view on everything under the sun then only one of them is thinking. For those who don't like diversity of opinion there are parties that specialise in thought control.

So in answer to a point on FF and FG, it's the stock, look over there at SF?

Brilliant work there lads.

blanch152 · 05-09-2018 5:30pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So in answer to a point on FF and FG, it's the stock, look over there at SF?

Brilliant work there lads.

You still haven't explained what is so bad or embarrassing about members of a political party retaining their critical thinking faculties once they join a party.

So Michael D IS running again!

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