So Michael D IS running again!

Hurrache

petronius wrote: »

Michael D - breaks his promise to run again

First time that was mentioned.

petronius wrote: »

says he will reveal how he spends the allowance

If you listened to the doorstep yesterday, he gave the media figures. They then asked him will he publish them, to which he replied I just gave them to you, why don't you now publish them?

VinLieger

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What?

When was G O'D asked for her daughter's medical records?

Well she wasn't as she never used her daughters vaccinations status to push her misguided uninformed anti-vaxx agenda, see how that works?


I dont think she has a daughter, and tbh if she did from what ive learned of her im pretty sure she would have done exactly that as well.


Francie your a SF apologist, i fully believe there is literally nothing you wouldn't defend them on and you are trying to deflect that onto others by insisting that it's everyone else that has an agenda.

FrancieBrady

VinLieger wrote: »

Well she wasn't as she never used her daughters vaccinations status to push her misguided uninformed anti-vaxx agenda, see how that works?


I dont think she has a daughter, and tbh if she did from what ive learned of her im pretty sure she would have done exactly that as well.


Francie your a SF apologist, i fully believe there is literally nothing you wouldn't defend them on and you are trying to deflect that onto others by insisting that it's everyone else that has an agenda.

You say that as if a rabid, irrational anti-republican agenda where everything they do and say is automatically wrong, doesn't also exist. :rolleyes:

There are loads of things about SF I don't apologise for or defend. Do some research and find out before bringing out that tired old deflection stick.

Well she wasn't as she never used her daughters vaccinations status to push her misguided uninformed anti-vaxx agenda, see how that works?

She 'pushed her concerns' about the lack of information at a time when there was a fairly intense campaign of mis-information and sensationalism going on on social media coming from actual anti-vaxxers.

It seems anyone who raised concerns about this is automatically an anti-vaxxer. Which is hilarious tbh.

If there was nothing to be concerned about why did the HSE see fit to launch a campaign of awareness around the use of the vaccine.

Of course, revealing a child's medical data will make everything alright and Ni Riada a suitable candidate! Yeh yeh, who are you trying to cod here! :rolleyes:

Thammer

Have the dragons got anything up their sleeve or are they merely showboating and using the PR

Gallagher seems to have an air of entitlement about him like he deserves to be President

Thammer

Michael d is no better than Gallagher

A blustering protest politician who voted for the tax amnesty

Wants to seal his legacy by being a 2 term president when the honourable thing would be to stand aside

Robert McGrath

Thammer wrote: »

A blustering protest politician who voted for the tax amnesty

What tax amnesty?

Thammer

Robert McGrath wrote: »

What tax amnesty?

Berties tax amnesty

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Posting your anonymous daughters medical history on the internet is not the same thing as giving in to a spurious, of no consequence demand for the medical histories of identifiable people in real life. Get a grip with the vain glorious posturing from the high moral ground.

Unless you have changed your behaviour on here, you wouldn't believe anything she said anyway, by virtue of the fact she is one of your political boogey persons. The very next thing you would be asking for is written proof that they were vaccinated.
She has clearly made her statement fully supporting the vaccine and looking for it's use to be extended. If there is any evidence out there that she is lying, present it.
Your demand that her children be involved in this is creepy in the extreme.

Sorry, if you meet me in real life and engage in a discussion about vaccines, I will happily share that information with you, as I have done on quite a number of occasions with many others. If I ever become a public figure and the question arises, I will also be happy to state it clearly.

The need for leadership on the HPV vaccine issue is clear. That means if you previously said that you weren't getting your children vaccinated, you should set out what happened since. Otherwise you are just another do what I say, not what I do politician in the mould of CJH.

Ni Riadh is a good SF politician. She cleverly uses half-truths and evasions to hide the true nature of what she stands for.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

She 'pushed her concerns' about the lack of information at a time when there was a fairly intense campaign of mis-information and sensationalism going on on social media coming from actual anti-vaxxers.

Glad to see that you finally accept that instead of showing real leadership, Ni Riadh jumped on the anti-vaxxer conspiracy theory bandwagon. We are now all on the same page.

James Brown

Thammer wrote: »

Michael d is no better than Gallagher

A blustering protest politician who voted for the tax amnesty

Wants to seal his legacy by being a 2 term president when the honourable thing would be to stand aside

The well spoken proven international Ambassador for the country, loved by many is the same as back door FF associate from a reality TV show? I don't see it.
The people will decide. I don't always agree, but I'm glad he's running and I've the choice. Gallagher is not an individual I want representing us.

They tried to throw as much mud as they could at Higgins and the office and Higgins came out spotless.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Sorry, if you meet me in real life and engage in a discussion about vaccines, I will happily share that information with you, as I have done on quite a number of occasions with many others. If I ever become a public figure and the question arises, I will also be happy to state it clearly.

The need for leadership on the HPV vaccine issue is clear. That means if you previously said that you weren't getting your children vaccinated, you should set out what happened since. Otherwise you are just another do what I say, not what I do politician in the mould of CJH.

Ni Riadh is a good SF politician. She cleverly uses half-truths and evasions to hide the true nature of what she stands for.

Leadership is speaking up without fear or favour.
She saw/experienced a lack of clear information and many people being affected by spurious antivaxx stuff on social media. I remember it myself, the touching stories about girls who had died and the poignant photos etc etc.

The HSE had to be spurred into action. And they will have to do that continually about a whole range of things.
Thankfully not all politicians sit back in silence because blanch152 is going to say sensationalist things about them on a website.

Cork Boy 53

Thammer wrote: »

Have the dragons got anything up their sleeve or are they merely showboating and using the PR.

Gallagher seems to have an air of entitlement about him like he deserves to be President

I would think that's exactly what they are doing.

FrancieBrady

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I would think that's exactly what they are doing.

I think Gallagher is almost obsessed with winning this post. He seems robotically programmed he has prepared himself so much for the campaign. Comes across as stiff and weird frankly.

imme

This election is not a circus it is an entire carnival.

The presidency is being cheapened by it.

eastwest

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Leadership is speaking up without fear or favour.
She saw/experienced a lack of clear information and many people being affected by spurious antivaxx stuff on social media. I remember it myself, the touching stories about girls who had died and the poignant photos etc etc.

The HSE had to be spurred into action. And they will have to do that continually about a whole range of things.
Thankfully not all politicians sit back in silence because blanch152 is going to say sensationalist things about them on a website.

If she's an advocate for transparency, when is she going to give the relatives the information on where their loved ones are buried?

honeybear

I can’t warm to any of the candidates thus far

Rhineshark

I have to admit, I did not realise Ni Riada was banging on about the HPV vaccine in 2016. Due to various things I missed that whole national debate and so I'd been under the impression it was a lot earlier but it seems there was a convincing misinformation campaign through 2015-2016. Take-up rates dropped from 87% in 2014 to 51% in 2016. No wonder the HSE were trying to correct the scaremongering.

Unless there's more to it than the one interview in late (sept) 2016 - and her decision, then the other known facts seem to corroborate the argument that she was worried about it and therefore spoke about it and has since been convinced that her fears weren't justified. I appreciate a politician with the courage to change their mind and it looks credible enough.

Her eldest daughter was vaccinated, the question seems to be regarding the next which fits hearing the campaign and getting concerned. It doesn't fit an anti-vaxx agenda for her eldest to have a voluntary vaccination. She now has stated that she supports young men getting it too as it does benefit them as well. That also doesn't fit anti-vaxx. Does SF have an anti-vaxx floating voter issue? It is an oddly left-wing craze as well as sprouting up amongst conspiracy theorists of every stripe. Was SF tending to egg on the whole thing? (Actual questions; as I said, I missed this happening).


She did bring her daughters into it so it's a fair question. She stated that she wasn't having her daughter vaccinated from a position of influence. So some responsibility to clear up that loose end.

Given my limited evidence I lean towards benefit of the doubt. A lot of people were taken in by it.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2013/11/29/interview-with-liadh-ni-riada/amp/
I won't be giving her second preference for a whole bunch of other reasons; I don't like her comments on Adams and sexual abuse being a "family affair" and given the whole Brexit effort leading to unionist tension and their particular paranoia about RoI designs on NI, I am not keen on a SF president right now. The Irish presidency is about the soft hand of diplomacy. It would be a symbol of division right now in the context of Brexit. Also, I thought she was already elected to MEP.

Guess Freeman is second for me then.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Leadership is speaking up without fear or favour.
She saw/experienced a lack of clear information and many people being affected by spurious antivaxx stuff on social media. I remember it myself, the touching stories about girls who had died and the poignant photos etc etc.

And like all good decent SF leaders, she followed the mob.

Leadership is about making the right decisions.

VonZan

At this point my vote will simply be based on the cost to the taxpayer and I'll vote for Michael D but the candidates are appalling. Thankfully the Irish presidency is nothing more than a meaningless title.

We have an anti-vaxxer, a champagne socialist and a couple of former dragons. What an embarrassment to the state.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

And like all good decent SF leaders, she followed the mob.

Leadership is about making the right decisions.

Leadership is about deciding on a course of action regardless of the those who sensationalise your motives. Ask Enda or Leo about that.

You question the information surrounding a vaccine and get called an anti vaxxer. Classic example of your anti republican stance.
No whiff of sulphur so we dig for something else...yawn, blanch, yawn.

Ash.J.Williams

seamus wrote: »

And Steve Jobs saved Apple, despite being a crackpot.
I applaud the great work she's done with PH. I've fundraised for them.

But that doesn't erase the quackery that's emerging. Miracle cures from Knock. Donations from shady businessmen.

And then, "I never heard of Iona before". Despite her niece being one of the top people in it, and despite a clearly deep religious ideology.

yeah i raised a few quid for them too recently and as a result met a lot of nice people that have dealt with them or lost someone to suicide, but freeman finances stink!!

eastwest

Rhineshark wrote: »

I have to admit, I did not realise Ni Riada was banging on about the HPV vaccine in 2016. Due to various things I missed that whole national debate and so I'd been under the impression it was a lot earlier but it seems there was a convincing misinformation campaign through 2015-2016. Take-up rates dropped from 87% in 2014 to 51% in 2016. No wonder the HSE were trying to correct the scaremongering.

Unless there's more to it than the one interview in late (sept) 2016 - and her decision, then the other known facts seem to corroborate the argument that she was worried about it and therefore spoke about it and has since been convinced that her fears weren't justified. I appreciate a politician with the courage to change their mind and it looks credible enough.

Her eldest daughter was vaccinated, the question seems to be regarding the next which fits hearing the campaign and getting concerned. It doesn't fit an anti-vaxx agenda for her eldest to have a voluntary vaccination. She now has stated that she supports young men getting it too as it does benefit them as well. That also doesn't fit anti-vaxx. Does SF have an anti-vaxx floating voter issue? It is an oddly left-wing craze as well as sprouting up amongst conspiracy theorists of every stripe. Was SF tending to egg on the whole thing? (Actual questions; as I said, I missed this happening).


She did bring her daughters into it so it's a fair question. She stated that she wasn't having her daughter vaccinated from a position of influence. So some responsibility to clear up that loose end.

Given my limited evidence I lean towards benefit of the doubt. A lot of people were taken in by it.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2013/11/29/interview-with-liadh-ni-riada/amp/
I won't be giving her second preference for a whole bunch of other reasons; I don't like her comments on Adams and sexual abuse being a "family affair" and given the whole Brexit effort leading to unionist tension and their particular paranoia about RoI designs on NI, I am not keen on a SF president right now. The Irish presidency is about the soft hand of diplomacy. It would be a symbol of division right now in the context of Brexit. Also, I thought she was already elected to MEP.

Guess Freeman is second for me then.

I can't see a second choice vote among any of the circus running this time. There's only one serious contender, so I don't see the point in voting on down the list.

Rhineshark

eastwest wrote: »

I can't see a second choice vote among any of the circus running this time. There's only one serious contender, so I don't see the point in voting on down the list.

I like to have back-ups although I agree this is a terrible line-up. I deeply dislike the dragon trio and want them as far down the list as physically possible! The competition for the blank space at the bottom is fierce although G O'D would have been a shoe-in.

FrancieBrady

Rhineshark wrote: »

I agree this is a terrible line-up.

I think the field of candidates is a pretty representative cross section of the social and political tensions preoccupying the country tbh.

Rhineshark

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think the field of candidates is a pretty representative cross section of the social and political tensions preoccupying the country tbh.

I don't. Three dragons ain't representative of anything except Dragon's Den.

eastwest

Rhineshark wrote: »

I don't. Three dragons ain't representative of anything except Dragon's Den.

The question is, are they working together to get Gallagher across the line? If he maintains his previous vote, and they succeed in taking enough votes from Michael D, it's always a possibility.

Thammer

eastwest wrote: »

The question is, are they working together to get Gallagher across the line? If he maintains his previous vote, and they succeed in taking enough votes from Michael D, it's always a possibility.

They've done nothing to suggest there's an orchestrated strategy

Or if there is it's not.working

FrancieBrady

Rhineshark wrote: »

I don't. Three dragons ain't representative of anything except Dragon's Den.

One of them represents the old sleeveen FF way of doing business and politics but is trying to come across as a reformed whore so to speak, another represents the somewhat superior/arrogant 'we know best what is good for you' FG way and the third one represents the 'I couldn't really give a ****' attitude of a Michael O'Leary.

eastwest

Thammer wrote: »

They've done nothing to suggest there's an orchestrated strategy

Or if there is it's not.working

The only possible strategy would be to take votes from Michael D. They wouldn't need to work together for that to happen. In fact, any perception they were doing that would damage the strategy, if one exists.
Don't forget though that they are all colleagues on a TV show, and if one of them got the job the others would have advantageous access to our first citizen.

starlit

I'm delighted to see him run again. I'd only vote for a few out of the list of candidates.