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Should the Isle of Man become part of Ireland?

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Taytoland wrote: »
    I've said it before and I'll say the same again, the EU can go to hell. Certainly won't be seeing me supporting the EU or it's flag.

    Why? Your UK state only exists in its current form since 6 December 1922, and the Orange Order were steadfast against the Act of Union in 1800, wanting to keep their national parliament in Dublin. Not sure if you're taught such things, though. So, why are you suddenly getting attached to the current UK state as if it's a non-negotiable permanent fixture?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,463 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Seems like a nice place but imagine it's boring as **** there and is like living in a medium sized county town

    We should try and take the Faroe Islands too. Seems like a cool place


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    The Isle of Man shouldn't be part of Ireland but I would welcome it into a Celtic League that would include an independent Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall and Brittany.

    My thoughts exactly. Don't forget Galicia either. Besides that it's much easier to get to Douglas to deposit cash in a bank with no questions asked than it is to let's say Andorra or San Marino.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    How are we going to take over the IOM? Hold a referendum like they did in Crimea?

    The IOM is a lovely place. Spent 2 weeks there and still only got to see half the Island.

    And why would a country that has been independent for over 1000 years, want to become part of a union?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    How are we going to take over the IOM? Hold a referendum like they did in Crimea?

    The IOM is a lovely place. Spent 2 weeks there and still only got to see half the Island.

    And why would a country that has been independent for over 1000 years, want to become part of a union?

    That's a good question nobody has thought about that...Doh!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 489 ✭✭Edgarfrndly


    I know a few manx people through the manx language, they are really nice people and think highly of Ireland.

    Back in the day Dev sent a team to the island to record Manx to preserve the language. Those recordings are amongst the only recordings of Manx being spoken by a native speaker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Taytoland wrote: »
    I've said it before and I'll say the same again, the EU can go to hell. Certainly won't be seeing me supporting the EU or it's flag.

    I’m sure the EU is devestated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    Well.. the Manx language, Scots Gaelic and Irish are part of the same branch of Celtic languages called Goidelic Celtic. The 2nd branch of Celtic language, called Brythonic Celtic form the Welsh, Cornish, Breton and the extinct Cumbric and Pictish languages.

    Don’t forget Ulster Scots :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    There was a proposal a few years back to include an Isle of Man team in the League of Ireland. I don't know how much traction it got but there was talk of it to some degree. Here's something on it.

    http://www.the42.ie/isle-of-man-team-irish-connections-2780732-May2016/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Who would willingly be dragged into Brussels rule?

    In their right minds I mean. Clearly the Irish were not. The Irish will do anything you tell them to do if there is a sufficient blanket opinion given through the mainstream media and by the establishment for a few months in advance.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    The IOM is a lovely place. Spent 2 weeks there and still only got to see half the Island.

    And why would a country that has been independent for over 1000 years, want to become part of a union?

    Wanted to go there several times, but air and boat transport was always ridiculously expensive so ended up going to more exotic places in Europe. One way to keep the ruffians out of your country: keep the cost of getting there high. Also, there doesn't seem to be a single good four star or five star hotel there; loads of accommodation that would be worthy of Bray seafront.

    The whole place looks like it could do with modernisation without selling its soul at the same time.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    And why would a country that has been independent for over 1000 years, want to become part of a union?

    Ahem. From Wikipedia:
    The Isle of Man (Manx: Ellan Vannin [ˈɛlʲən ˈvanɪn]), also occasionally referred to simply as Mann (/mæn/; Manx: Mannin [ˈmanɪn]), is a self-governing British Crown dependency in the Irish Sea between the islands of Great Britain and Ireland. The head of state is Queen Elizabeth II, who holds the title of Lord of Mann and is represented by a Lieutenant Governor. Defence is the responsibility of the United Kingdom.

    Doesn't sound very independent to me except in that traditional English colonial pattern of "We'll allow you to call yourselves independent as long as you do everything we say" way. Hmmm. Maybe the EU could learn something there from English policy...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    You do realise that the manx can't stand the Irish?

    We're hated over there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    topper75 wrote: »
    Who would willingly be dragged into Brussels rule?

    In their right minds I mean. Clearly the Irish were not. The Irish will do anything you tell them to do if there is a sufficient blanket opinion given through the mainstream media and by the establishment for a few months in advance.

    We're natural followers.

    Always need to be lead by the nose.

    Brits or Europeans, it doesn't matter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Whatever about the isle of man I fully support annexing rockall

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1maOiysZe-4


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,812 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    They can do whatever they want, but if they want to come they better throw them stupid fcuking trains in the sea first.

    They can convert them into greenways so Irish MAMILs can cycle on them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Don't see the point really. Isle of mann has a tiny population, smaller than most small cities in ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    I never even knew the place existed untill just now !!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    I've said it before and I'll say the same again, the EU can go to hell. Certainly won't be seeing me supporting the EU or it's flag.

    I’m sure the EU is devestated.
    That is why I voted to leave the treaty of Rome. Maybe if they did better I might have voted the other way. But alas, it wasn't to be.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    At least Mark Cavendish will be Irish


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    At least Mark Cavendish will be Irish

    Marc Ó Cábhaindís?

    Tá sé thar barr an lead sin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭rgodard80a


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Seems like a nice place but imagine it's boring as **** there and is like living in a medium sized county town

    Yep, the natives are prone to depression and call the island "The Rock".
    So drink and promiscuity are/were rife and about 20 years ago they had a bad AIDS outbreak.

    It's a lovely little island and I've very fond childhood memories of it with amusements parks, steam trains, electric trams, horse drawn trams, traditional English promenade setup, Laxey wheel etc.

    But they're clearly English, but have absolutely no issue with the Irish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    They are NOT English, they are Manx. Which means they have the social views of an Ulster Presbyterian with a toothache.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Assuming this celtic utopia were to come about peacefully (:pac:), how are you going to finance these absolutely massive civil engineering projects?



    Also Rockall would have to be administered by Leitrim (obviously!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭theyoungchap


    Just think of all the hassle the rich and famous would have to go through to move all their dealings off that island

    Yeah, and then we'd take the millions they have earned and give it to welfare recipients..........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Money!!!
    A bridge connecting scotland to northern ireland would not be economically viable at all I think it was discussed on boards a lot
    And holyhead to dublin is just too long for a bridge

    I would absolutely love to be able to drive to london though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    fxotoole wrote: »
    Don’t forget Ulster Scots :pac:

    Isnt that just a speech impediment?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭theyoungchap


    Has the Isle of Man got some oil well or something that I am missing? Why do people want it, to build bridges, etc.

    The only place we should look at building a bridge to is mainland UK.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Isle of Man is a tax heaven for the wealthy like Monaco, Lichtenstein, San Marino, Andorra and Gibraltar. So unless you kept the tax exemptions for Manx citizens many of whom are Irish or British businessmen who are Manx citizens to avoid tax in their own countries its not gonna happen.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Ahem. From Wikipedia:


    Doesn't sound very independent to me except in that traditional English colonial pattern of "We'll allow you to call yourselves independent as long as you do everything we say" way. Hmmm. Maybe the EU could learn something there from English policy...

    The IOM has one of the oldest systems of government in the world and is recognised as an independent sovereign state by the UN and the EU. (Although its not a member of either like Switzerland)

    The only "control" the UK has is defence and some foreign policy which is for convenience. The IOM could take control of these things if it wished.

    If the "English" were calling the shots, why did the IOM still have the death penalty , flogging and a ban on homosexuality until recently??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 JimBob Gooseman


    I do agree with people that say the IOM is very much irrelevant, especially on the global stage, but if that is the case then why would people mind a united Ireland taking it over?

    I can't imagine it would cost that much to run the place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Jayses, the football and hurling calendars are stretched enough as it is without adding another county to the mix.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Never gonna happen. It would cost BILLIONS to construct and would not recoup its investment even if the bridge carried road, high speed rail and pipelines. There is no infrastructure on either side so that would all have to be build, and the nearest city on the Scottish side would be Glasgow.
    Building a bridge or tunnel would have problems with Beaufort's Dyke. It's quite deep, but that's not the only problem.

    They dumped all the left over munitions from WWII there, including chemical weapons. About 1.17 million tonnes of the stuff. And there's a good bit of the old "glow in the dark" down there too.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Where the op was suggesting, east Antrim (likely Torr Head) to the Mull of Kintyre (Torr Mhor hill, south of Campbelltown), wouldn't encounter the Beaufort's Dyke as it is further to the south.

    The route is simply impractical, road/rail travel would be considerable slower than air, and the boat would still be quicker for cargo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    No, our road deaths would go sky high thanks to the tt races.

    Exactly -- huge selling point to tempt them motorracing-crazed Nordies back into the deal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Where the op was suggesting, east Antrim (likely Torr Head) to the Mull of Kintyre (Torr Mhor hill, south of Campbelltown), wouldn't encounter the Beaufort's Dyke as it is further to the south.

    The route is simply impractical, road/rail travel would be considerable slower than air, and the boat would still be quicker for cargo

    Aside from that the road journey once you get to Scotland would be like death warmed up. Scottish roads are a feck8ng depressing slog. You need loads of happy thoughts on those roads.


  • Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    County Louth is considerably larger than the Isle of Man.

    What other advantages do you see to this hypothetical?

    Somebody call Westminster and ask of they’ll do a swap. They can have Louth, keep the 6 counties and we’ll even give them Cork back (three birds with one stone there) and we get the TT’s. Feck it, we’ll throw Donegal into the deal and we’ll cut the road death toll I reckon.

    If they hardball, we’ll add in Monaghan, Cavan and Leitrim (if anyone can actually prove it exists) plus the Moyross Estate (perfect for hunting/bloodsports) and most of North Dublin.

    Excellent suggestion OP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭fando


    No. They need their good roads.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    I think the following peoples should be given the option of joining us: -

    1. Faroe Islands.
    2. Shetland.
    3. Orkney.
    4. The Outer Hebrides.
    5. The Inner Hebrides.
    6. The Isle of Wight.
    7. Guernsey.
    8. Jersey.
    9. Indonesia.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Manx people are all inbred weirdos and we already have Dingle.

    And what's worse, Donegal.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Boris Johnson and Arlene Foster have both supported the notion of a bridge as recently as 2 weeks ago. Both the Mull of Kintyre route and the Larne - Portpatrick route (which would traverse the Beaufort's Dyke) are under consideration. Guess we'll see.

    Price tag estimated to be £15 Billion GBP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Are Am Eye wrote: »
    I think the following peoples should be given the option of joining us: -

    [...]
    4. The Outer Hebrides.
    [...]

    Importing a bunch of Gaelic-speaking Presbyterian fundamentalists would certainly confuse the pain of some of our existing language/religious/culture wars.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    JayZeus wrote: »
    If they hardball, we’ll add in Monaghan, Cavan and most of North Dublin.

    Are ye trying to scare them away!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    JayZeus wrote: »
    we’ll even give them Cork back

    I assume this is punishment for bad behaviour. Only I'm not sure whose.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    Boris Johnson and Arlene Foster have both supported the notion of a bridge as recently as 2 weeks ago. Both the Mull of Kintyre route and the Larne - Portpatrick route (which would traverse the Beaufort's Dyke) are under consideration. Guess we'll see.

    Price tag estimated to be £15 Billion GBP


    GDP/Population wise I think that pari passu the UK would be paying 13-14 Billion of that. Not a bad idea. We'd be happy to chip in our own little bit.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Are Am Eye wrote: »
    I think the following peoples should be given the option of joining us: -


    [...]
    9. Indonesia.

    We can finally get started on the Wexford - Surabaya tunnel :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Boris Johnson and Arlene Foster have both supported the notion of a bridge as recently as 2 weeks ago. Both the Mull of Kintyre route and the Larne - Portpatrick route (which would traverse the Beaufort's Dyke) are under consideration. Guess we'll see.

    Price tag estimated to be £15 Billion GBP

    The Larne route is surely a lot saner. (If only on the scale of full-blown neurosis to danger to self and others.) 50% shorter road route to get to Glasgow, also provides similar access to Cumbria. (Not sure why anyone'd want access to Cumbria, but still.)

    Go the other way, and to make it remotely practical you'd have to "knock through" a heck of a lot to get access to populated areas, in particular to avoid driving around Loch Fyne. At that stage, you're better just waiting for Elongated Muskrat to come along with a giant TBM and build a direct Belfast-Glasgow hyperloop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,583 ✭✭✭LeBash


    bear1 wrote: »
    In what reality would this ever happen? What benefit would this bring to the island/s?

    He said it in the OP, a tax haven


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    LeBash wrote: »
    He said it in the OP, a tax haven

    But that's just legislative fiat. Could make the same arrangements in, oh, let's say completely at "random", North Tipp (as was).


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