Changes in the GAA - super thread

lukin

The one thing I don't understand is why Dublin keep taking this money from the GAA while at the same time claiming the money is not playing any part in their success.
They say they would have won all those All-Ireland's without the funding so if that is the case then what do they need it for? Just go to the GAA and tell them to give them the same as every other county is getting.

kilns

lukin wrote: »

The one thing I don't understand is why Dublin keep taking this money from the GAA while at the same claiming the money is not playing any part in their success.
They say they would have won all those All-Ireland's without the funding so if that is the case then what do they need it for? Just go to the GAA and tell them to give them the same as every other county is getting.

Are you really asking that question? Every cent that Dublin receive does not go to the senior team to make them professionals! In fact no money that comes from the GAA goes to the senior team.

How many kids are living in Dublin? How many GPOs are required to cover this volume, educate yourself and see where the money goes. It does not go into developing the next Brogan, Connolly or Cluxton although they may be the by product, it goes into every single child who is willing to play the games and to encourage those who currently dont


If you break the figures down given by the GAA per county and the number of school going children, the allocation per head surprisingly has Dublin about mid table on those figures. This is what the funds are for.

RoscommonTom

the Jack's dont like what he writes cos its true, fellas will look back at this last few years in the future and take that the all irelands the Dubs won were drugged with money, give me the great kerry team any day off the week,

kilns

RoscommonTom wrote: »

the Jack's dont like what he writes cos its true, fellas will look back at this last few years in the future and take that the all irelands the Dubs won were drugged with money, give me the great kerry team any day off the week,

sure they will ha ha

explain to me how money made the greatest goalkeeper of all time?

Barlett

kilns wrote: »

A lot is not good enough if you are a journalist, he lies alot in his articles and is pulled up on it frequently. One that springs to mind was Nadal at the Australian Open when he was accusing him of taking drugs, he stated he is hitting the ball harder than ever and serving faster than ever, which was totally untrue, as was pointed out to him in 2010 he was hitting it much harder and serving faster but that does not fit with his narrative and most people are not going to check up on these things and believe wow Nadal is doing these things in his later years and therefore form their opinion on it based on what he has said, which is irresponsible and lies

I'm not talking about other sports - all I'm talking about is the GAA and Dublin. While I think he goes too strongly on his criticism, I've yet to see a convincing argument that the huge sums of money handed to Dublin in development grants (not talking about sponsorship or fundraising) have not handed them an artificial advantage over other counties and it's important this is pointed out.

lukin

kilns wrote: »

In fact no money that comes from the GAA goes to the senior team.

Where did you find this information?

kilns

Barlett wrote: »

I'm not talking about other sports - all I'm talking about is the GAA and Dublin. While I think he goes too strongly on his criticism, I've yet to see a convincing argument that the huge sums of money handed to Dublin in development grants (not talking about sponsorship or fundraising) have not handed them an artificial advantage over other counties and it's important this is pointed out.

As stated before, all he does is quote the huge figures which alone look crazy and yes disproportionate to Dublin over a certain period of time. However, he refuses to dig into the figures and analyse them. For example the funds handed out to counties for games development (which is what the big sums are) Dublin is mid table per child of school going age, while not surprisly Leitrim is top followed by counties like Carlow etc. Cork and Galway if I recall are last and second last, maybe thats something which needs to be asked but hey that doesnt make clickbait headlines

Fan of Netflix

I find it funny Joe Brolly blocked Ewan this week on twitter. Brolly great at spewing our insults and bull**** but can't take any probing questions. He's turned into a right company man and yet acts like a socialist champion of the people. Hopefully Brolly is removed from RTE permanently, his punditry is a disgrace. And is part of the reason the GAA is at such a low point. Football supporters deserve better analysis than his attention seeking nonsense.

kilns

lukin wrote: »

Where did you find this information?

The figures that Ewan quotes are Games development funds, which goes directly to GPOs and coaching, if you take the accounts and add up the funds you can see that.

STB.

I haven't read the article but I am sure its full of the usual statistics to fit his anti-Dublin bias.

What people forget is that between 1995 and 2011 Dublin weren't at the races. The GAA have their own ethos which is to get as many people as possible playing the game. Unfortunately the development of the games' figures do look disproportionate, but that's hardly surprising given its the main population centre in the country. Its also got a huge number of competing sports to drag people away from the sport.

Having said all that, there are only 15 men on the field at any one time, so for an amateur sport the money is a misnomer. The current set of players themselves are very annoyed at the "financial doping" allegations giving they hold down day jobs. Has any thought been given to the fact that this could be one of those superb teams that come along every 25 years ?

Getting back to Ewan MacKenna, I assume he has his own self serving agenda, to be become relevant ala the Dunphy style of being controversial, which is evident from some of his tweets. Infact having read some of disparaging and rude reponses to people who challenge him, its no wonder he had to fúck off to Brazil. I doubt they play much of the sport over there. He also has an absolutely disgraceful in your face article about Man City pinned to the top of his twitter page.

kilns

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I find it funny Joe Brolly blocked Ewan this week on twitter. Brolly great at spewing our insults and bull**** but can't take any probing questions. He's turned into a right company man and yet acts like a socialist champion of the people. Hopefully Brolly is removed from RTE permanently, his punditry is a disgrace. And is part of the reason the GAA is at such a low point. Football supporters deserve better analysis than his attention seeking nonsense.

You could replace Brolly with the name Ewan and the same applies. They both deserve each other when it comes to their thoughts on GAA

kilns

STB. wrote: »

I haven't read the article but I am sure its full of the usual statistics to fit his anti-Dublin bias.


What people forget is that between 1995 and 2011 Dublin weren't at the races. The GAA have their own ethos which is to get as many people as possible playing the game. Unfortunately the development of the games' figures do look disproportionate, but that's hardly surprising given its the main population centre in the country. Its also got a huge number of competing sports to drag people away from the sport.


Having said all that, there are only 15 men on the field at any one time, so for an amateur sport the money is a misnomer. The current set of players themselves are very annoyed at the "financial doping" allegations giving they hold down day jobs.



Getting back to Ewan MacKenna, I assume he has his own self serving agenda, to be become relevant ala the Dunphy style of being controversial, which is evident from some of his tweets. Infact having read some of disparaging and rude reponses to people who challenge him, its no wonder he had to fúck off to Brazil. I doubt they play much of the sport over there. He also has an absolutely disgraceful in your face article about Man City pinned to the top of his twitter page.

He has created his own little niche for himself and fair play to him, it pays the bills. Its the only reason he is invited on shows like the Last Word because they know what he is like and will be "good radio"

ThunbergsAreGo

La Bamba wrote: »

Would there be anything in this particular article he has written that you would disagree with?

If so, would you mind elaborating on it? Cheers!

To answer your question Ewan,(and to be fair, I haven't read the article in detail) where does this fairness stop?

Do we split Kildare so its the same size as Carlow? Do we fund on a per person basis so that Dublin still receives more? Do we punish kids in Dublin by removing funding for them?

I disagree with the fact that he makes it all about money (which isnt spent on the senior team) and takes away from the achievement on what are amateur players.

The major thing I disagree with, is you setting up a thread on something that is discussed in about 4 others in detail

Bonniedog

RoscommonTom wrote: »

the Jack's dont like what he writes cos its true, fellas will look back at this last few years in the future and take that the all irelands the Dubs won were drugged with money, give me the great kerry team any day off the week,

We could have bought a fkn luxury bus or paid for holidays for lads to play pool in their Jeyes Fluid


BTW. La Bamba's back history is interesting. Seem to recall a cameo appearance a few years back when he was foaming at the mouth over Dublin supporter's "soccer behaviour."

Glad to see he is out..... sorry, back

Barlett

kilns wrote: »

As stated before, all he does is quote the huge figures which alone look crazy and yes disproportionate to Dublin over a certain period of time. However, he refuses to dig into the figures and analyse them. For example the funds handed out to counties for games development (which is what the big sums are) Dublin is mid table per child of school going age, while not surprisly Leitrim is top followed by counties like Carlow etc. Cork and Galway if I recall are last and second last, maybe thats something which needs to be asked but hey that doesnt make clickbait headlines

Fair point but you can switch those to per GAA player registered and the figures look completely different again. The one thing I do find interesting in all this is that fundraising is massive for pretty much every county out there bar Dublin who do little to none and that's because they have so much money, they don't need to. Anyway, in fairness if I was a Dublin fan I'd be defending it to the hilt too. We'll know in the next three/four years if this is simply natural brillance and Dublin are/were fortunate to have so many great players (and a great manager) at once or a clear advantage handed to Dublin in terms of money for coaches.

Fan of Netflix

kilns wrote: »

You could replace Brolly with the name Ewan and the same applies. They both deserve each other when it comes to their thoughts on GAA

Ewan is what he is, but Brolly has been the main GAA pundit on RTE for many years and has articles in the same newspaper. It's also really annoying the amount of people who listen to Brollys soundbites on TV and repeat them as fact.

The fact he has been allowed get away with his personal attacks on so many decent people for many years is shameful. It looks like RTE are finally cutting back on his appearances I was very happy to see him not on TV recently. The man has no manners at all, possibly the rudest man I've ever seen on television. His comments on Sean Cavanagh were a disgrace. Anyone remember when he was calling Marty Morrissey ugly in the studio? Pure bullying. The level he operates is in the gutter.

Weepsie

Ewen McKenna lives in Brazil but has given out about people arriving in Ireland from abroad

Most of what he writes is garbage too. He's a contrarian and nothing more.

kilns

Barlett wrote: »

Fair point but you can switch those to per GAA player registered and the figures look completely different again. The one thing I do find interesting in all this is that fundraising is massive for pretty much every county out there bar Dublin who do little to none and that's because they have so much money, they don't need to. Anyway, in fairness if I was a Dublin fan I'd be defending it to the hilt too. We'll know in the next three/four years if this is simply natural brillance and Dublin are/were fortunate to have so many great players (and a great manager) at once or a clear advantage handed to Dublin in terms of money for coaches.

Thats missing the point, GPOs go into schools which dont have GAA members, they are competing for children who may not be registered players, the clue is in the name Games Development funding.

It seems you are not around the club scene in Dublin as every club fundraises hard every year to pay for all expenses. The sheer volume of coaches is not even covered by the GAA funding and every club in Dublin must pay 50% for their coach, so each year they must find these funds in addition to running the club.

Fan of Netflix

Weepsie wrote: »

Ewen McKenna lives in Brazil but has given out about people arriving in Ireland from abroad

Has he? Where? He strikes me as very lefty, he's always going on about Bolsanaro in Brazil.

Weepsie

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Has he? Where? He strikes me as very lefty, he's always going on about Bolsanaro in Brazil.

It was a year or two ago. He was in a huff about something on twitter. I can't remember what it was exactly but I remember thinking, "but you live abroad"

It was fairly throwaway in fairness, but shows a side of his hypocrisy

elefant

kilns wrote: »

Thats missing the point, GPOs go into schools which dont have GAA members, they are competing for children who may not be registered players, the clue is in the name Games Development funding.

GPO's don't work in schools that already have GAA members? Is that really true?

I thought GPO's worked with clubs, then went out to schools to encourage players there to take up the sports and join the local club?

Fan of Netflix

Speaking of Brolly I see Fintan Kelly of Monaghan owned him, Brolly ****ting all over Clones and the people charging for parking. Another classic from man of the people Joe. Apparently he is the only one allowed make money from GAA. Biggest dickhead in the GAA.

https://twitter.com/FintanKelly2/status/1145783156441833473

La Bamba

Bonniedog wrote: »

We could have bought a fkn luxury bus or paid for holidays for lads to play pool in their Jeyes Fluid


BTW. La Bamba's back history is interesting. Seem to recall a cameo appearance a few years back when he was foaming at the mouth over Dublin supporter's "soccer behaviour."

Glad to see he is out..... sorry, back

Fair enough, I wrote something over 3 years ago that was a bit juvenile at a time when I was actually pissed off about something in my personal life. If I had the same oppurtunity again I wouldnt have written that- you live and you learn. Now, you seem to have taken the steps of going through my post history to attack me instead of actually debating the point in question.If you would like to tell me what points in the ewan mackenna article I posted that you disagree with please feel free to do so.

Barlett

kilns wrote: »

Thats missing the point, GPOs go into schools which dont have GAA members, they are competing for children who may not be registered players, the clue is in the name Games Development funding.

It seems you are not around the club scene in Dublin as every club fundraises hard every year to pay for all expenses. The sheer volume of coaches is not even covered by the GAA funding and every club in Dublin must pay 50% for their coach, so each year they must find these funds in addition to running the club.

No, but I am around the club scene in Mayo and know the exact same as the above is true regarding fundraising for all clubs there with the added pressure of trying to fund inter-county teams as well as paying off a stadium loan. And I know Dublin must pay 50 % for their coach with the GAA covering the other half - if the same deal existed in Mayo I think they'd have more than three full time coaches in the county and I reckon the same could be said for pretty much every county out there.

STB.

Another point that is sadly missed is that Dublin went through regular slump periods of under performance. Just look at the 70s before Keaveney et al. Dublin had to be rebuilt from scratch back then.


Also the financial doping would have you believe that the Dublin management have imported athletes from abroad at considerable cost when nothing could be further from the truth. There are quite a number of players that are sons of former Dublin players. McCaffrey, Rock, McManamon, McCathy, Brogan just off the top of my head. Many of these have come into the game younger, but I have no doubt that they dedicate their own time to improve their own games, whilst also holding down day jobs.

kilns

elefant wrote: »

GPO's don't work in schools that already have GAA members? Is that really true?

I thought GPO's worked with clubs, then went out to schools to encourage players there to take up the sports and join the local club?

Not all kids in any school are all GAA members, so GPO who are affiliated to a club go into the school run coaching sessions and encourage kids to take up the game.

The issue I have with Ewan talking just in big figures is that he makes Dublin out to be Ivan Drago with all the science and expert training while the others are Rocky training away in the snow with no facilities, while totally ignoring what the money goes towards, getting kids playing sport and being active

BarryD2

Anyone with half a brain can see the reality of the situation. The growth of Dublin success is entirely in line with what has happened in terms of business, employment, housing, public investment etc over the past decades. All these are hugely slanted towards Dublin.

Then there's the structure of the current AI which effectively exists to keep the stronger counties in the competition and so on.

It's no surprise that the gap between the counties is widening all the time and that Dublin as a county team is stretching well beyond the others.

You'd suspect that the only thing that will bring on change is declining gate attendances for county football games.

The standard of any given match is slightly irrelevant - what people want to see is a closely fought game. And a variety of winners.

kilns

BarryD2 wrote: »

Anyone with half a brain can see the reality of the situation. The growth of Dublin success is entirely in line with what has happened in terms of business, employment, housing, public investment etc over the past decades. All these are hugely slanted towards Dublin.

Then there's the structure of the current AI which effectively exists to keep the stronger counties in the competition and so on.

It's no surprise that the gap between the counties is widening all the time and that Dublin as a county team is stretching well beyond the others.

You'd suspect that the only thing that will bring on change is declining gate attendances for county football games.

The standard of any given match is slightly irrelevant - what people want to see is a closely fought game. And a variety of winners.

Thats another debate entirely, I think the provincial championships needs to be done away with for a start and it may be unpopular but some counties could combine and create something like a 16 team conference but so many vested interests its hard to keep people happy

Barlett

BarryD2 wrote: »

Anyone with half a brain can see the reality of the situation. The growth of Dublin success is entirely in line with what has happened in terms of business, employment, housing, public investment etc over the past decades. All these are hugely slanted towards Dublin.

Then there's the structure of the current AI which effectively exists to keep the stronger counties in the competition and so on.

It's no surprise that the gap between the counties is widening all the time and that Dublin as a county team is stretching well beyond the others.

You'd suspect that the only thing that will bring on change is declining gate attendances for county football games.

The standard of any given match is slightly irrelevant - what people want to see is a closely fought game. And a variety of winners.

Agreed, at the end of the day people want shocks and drama - that determines attendance levels.

STB.

BarryD2 wrote: »

Anyone with half a brain can see the reality of the situation. The growth of Dublin success is entirely in line with what has happened in terms of business, employment, housing, public investment etc over the past decades. All these are hugely slanted towards Dublin.

Perhaps you can explain what happened between 1995 and 2011.