Changes in the GAA - super thread

salmocab

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

They have hired the IRFU head of sport science??

What the hell??

Someone like that should be working for GAA as a whole -with a Focus on the underperforming counties- and not adding to the already crazy advantages that Dublin revel in.

Who?

blanch152

RoyalCelt wrote: »

There's a little bit of hype for Dublin football this year with the chance to make history. Still only getting 30k vs Cork, 45k vs Meath, 30k vs Kildare and 10k vs Louth. You'd imagine Roscommon would be under 30k Dubs and under 10k in Omagh. The semi depends on who they play but I'd guess 40k Dubs will go and again in final the same.

But what happens next year when they are going for the 6? No record to be broken, the hype will be at the lowest point ever for the GAA. They're lucky the hurling is the opposite.

Over the last sixty years, can you guess when the three lowest attendances at All-Ireland finals occurred?

The lowest was 1994 for Down's win, but the next two lowest were Kerry's four-in-a-row and Kerry's attempt at a five-in-a-row.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship_finals#Finals

This happens whenever a great team comes along. Dublin attendances have actually held up well compared to great teams of the past.

blanch152

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

If they don't play to adulthood and if they don't support Dublin or other teams in Croke Park then its money wasted which other counties could do with.

Anytime I've been in Croker when the Dubs are playing you'd struggle to see a non national face.

They just aren't participating at a serious level save on the fringes at underage level.

And throwing more millions at it won't help. There's little or no interest in the non national community in Dublin football.

It is money wasted if your only objective is the winning of All-Irelands.

If your objective is to increase juvenile participation in our national games for cultural and health reasons, then it is money well spent.

threeball

blanch152 wrote: »

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

If they don't play to adulthood and if they don't support Dublin or other teams in Croke Park then its money wasted which other counties could do with.

Anytime I've been in Croker when the Dubs are playing you'd struggle to see a non national face.

They just aren't participating at a serious level save on the fringes at underage level.

And throwing more millions at it won't help. There's little or no interest in the non national community in Dublin football.

It is money wasted if your only objective is the winning of All-Irelands.

If your objective is to increase juvenile participation in our national games for cultural and health reasons, then it is money well spent.

Ah now I see. The bould Bertie was cute enough to see the HSE was a complete failure and instead decided to fund Dublin GAA as a proxy HSE to head off obesity at the pass. Man ahead of his time.

RoyalCelt

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

If only every county had a Taoiseach like this.

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/3191859/bertie-ahern-government-grants-saved-dublin-gaa/

The b0llix took taxpayers money and diverted it to Dublin GAA. As dodgy a deal as he ever did. Dublin had won an AI just 7 years before btw.

This makes me sick to the stomach. If I knew this was happening back in 2005 as a teenager and if I knew where it would lead to I we would have saved a fortune. All these years I've been giving the GAA my hard earned cash for Dublin meath matches when in reality I was just finding the Dubs.

Funny how they keep the other counties quiet because they provide funding for their stadiums. Dublin don't have to worry about that. No wonder the likes of meath, Kildare, louth and wicklow are silent as they are asking for money upgrade their kips.

If the other 31 had any balls they'd tell the GAA, up the funding for Dublin lads, we're off to play our own AI by ourselves. Sure it's all about getting Jose and precious playing hurling and camogie. They won't mind sitting out a competition for actual counties. It's participation numbers they genuinely only care about.

blanch152 wrote: »

Over the last sixty years, can you guess when the three lowest attendances at All-Ireland finals occurred?

The lowest was 1994 for Down's win, but the next two lowest were Kerry's four-in-a-row and Kerry's attempt at a five-in-a-row.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship_finals#Finals

This happens whenever a great team comes along. Dublin attendances have actually held up well compared to great teams of the past.

The difference here Dublin have a massive population. Pound for pound your attendances are tragic. The vast majority in the capital don't give a ****e. There's no glory for a province beating counties.

salmocab

GalwayMark wrote: »

did u see recently they hired the ex-IRFU head of sport science how can other counties compete on level playing field anyone?

Who is this? Shane Malone?

Past30Now

I've read this thread over the last week. Loads of interesting viewpoints, a fair amount of half truths on both sides of the argument, and not very much understanding of anyone else's viewpoint. Typical internet chat room behaviour.

Just a couple of quick points

1 Dublin being funded to increase participation is not a bad thing. The DCB 2018 annual report includes the following two paragraphs

"The money Dublin has received has been invested in our Games Development programme solely at nursery and juvenile level. Our Go Games programme alone, over the last 10 years, has seen a participation growth of 58% in football and 98% in hurling and 11,500 fixtures scheduled annually for children in the Under 8 to Under 12 age groups.

Massive numbers attend nurseries the length and breadth of the county on a weekly basis. The focus is on enjoyment, fun and introducing young boys and girls to Gaelic games and their local clubs, while also trying to strengthen the link between the local primary schools and the clubs."

This is good news for the GAA. It would be better if we could replicate it all around the country, but the fact that the money is spent on increasing participation can only be described as a good thing.

2

threeball wrote: »

The only place the money trail leads to is the step up from minor to senior. Dublin are generally no-where to be found at underage bar the odd time popping up in a leinster final or all ireland semi. However they miraculously are extremely successful at u21 (now u20) over the last decade and are again in the mix this year. The very age where money and sports science combine to propel athletes to another level when compared to athletes with a much lower level of funding. This creates the constant conveyor belt that dublin has generated since funding began. Athletes with the same conditioning as a seasoned IC player appear into the team seemlessly with no period of transition. Ordinary players look at their ease while the more gifted are untouchable.

Threeballs quote above is probably the most sensible "Anti-Dub" I've read. Dublin spend a huge amount of money every year on the inter-county teams. This funding comes directly from their sponsorship income, and gives us a significant advantage over other counties. I've watched most of the Dublin minor footballers games in the last two years, and we are at a similar level to most of the teams in Leinster. I've seen stats showing that other counties spend similar amounts , and some counties spend fractions of what the likes of Dublin and Mayo spend. Mayo clearly have to spend a larger portion of their income on getting players back to Mayo/across Mayo for training etc. Dublin (We) are able to spend our funds on ensuring no stone is left unturned in preparing our teams. Again, this is a good thing, but it is also the area that can be changed to ensure a more equitable and competitive championship.

Alan Brogan wrote about this a couple of weeks ago. The sponsorship money flows to those counties who give the sponsors the biggest bang for their buck. Hence AIG are happy and willing to pump significant funds into DCB. This money could be centrally managed, combined with all of the other sponsorships, big and small, and redistributed to all counties on a more equitable basis.

3

Dublin has a bigger population than everyone else. That population is growing as a proportion of the country. Splitting Dublin won't solve the issue of population inequality. It certainly won't solve all of the problems that beset the football championship. The whole of the championship needs to be reviewed. Certain teams just have to show up, to get a place in the super 8. The super 8 itself favours the stronger counties, and gives them yet another chance to recover from a bad result. The idea the Mayo, having been beaten twice so far this year, could still qualify for an All Ireland SF seems perverse, and unfair when compared to Cavan, who lost two matches to Donegal and Tyrone, and are now out. These inequalities happen throughout the championship.

P.S. I've mentioned Mayo twice in the above post, primarily because they have been Dublin's biggest rivals over the last few years. The same arguments could apply to a number of other counties.

ToBeFrank123

Dublin do indeed have a bigger population than everyone else.
County Dublin has 2.5 times the population of County Cork.
Between 2007 and 2018 County Dublin received 15 times the games development funding of Cork from the GAA.
In reality County Dublin should have received 2.5 times the GDF of Cork.
County Dublin has 10 times the population of County Mayo.
Between 2007 and 2018, Dublin received close to 30 times the GDF of Co. Mayo.

RoyalCelt

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Dublin do indeed have a bigger population than everyone else.
County Dublin has 2.5 times the population of County Cork.
Between 2007 and 2018 County Dublin received 15 times the games development funding of Cork from the GAA.
In reality County Dublin should have received 2.5 times the GDF of Cork.
County Dublin has 10 times the population of County Mayo.
Between 2007 and 2018, Dublin received close to 30 times the GDF of Co. Mayo.

It's annoying the way the Dubs conveniently forget this maybe. Maybe Jim Gavin and the men in Black are flashing their memories.

kilns

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Dublin do indeed have a bigger population than everyone else.
County Dublin has 2.5 times the population of County Cork.
Between 2007 and 2018 County Dublin received 15 times the games development funding of Cork from the GAA.
In reality County Dublin should have received 2.5 times the GDF of Cork.
County Dublin has 10 times the population of County Mayo.
Between 2007 and 2018, Dublin received close to 30 times the GDF of Co. Mayo.

Just for clarity and to provide accurate figures, funding is for games development so it is fair to use the population from 18 years and under as I am sure you agree these funds would not be aimed at men and women in their 40s/50s/60s etc, in this case.

Dublin has 4.5 times the number of children as Cork and 8.9 times the number of Mayo and yes Dublin has received central funding for games development far in excess of those other two counties but none from the Leinster council and no coaches, Cork and Mayo have received amounts from their provincial councils for games development also and receive coaching resources also. Would you care to add those factors in to give a more accurate figure? Yes no doubt Dublin still would have received per head of child. But people are asking for a more even playing field, so for example take the latest figures released for 2018, do you know what they are per head of child? Would it surprise you that Dublin are mid table from the 2018 allocations (not including provincial allocations)? Does that not make you happy that it is becoming more evenly distributed?

ToBeFrank123

kilns wrote: »

Just for clarity and to provide accurate figures, funding is for games development so it is fair to use the population from 18 years and under as I am sure you agree these funds would not be aimed at men and women in their 40s/50s/60s etc, in this case.

Dublin has 4.5 times the number of children as Cork and 8.9 times the number of Mayo and yes Dublin has received central funding for games development far in excess of those other two counties but none from the Leinster council and no coaches, Cork and Mayo have received amounts from their provincial councils for games development also and receive coaching resources also. Would you care to add those factors in to give a more accurate figure? Yes no doubt Dublin still would have received per head of child. But people are asking for a more even playing field, so for example take the latest figures released for 2018, do you know what they are per head of child? Would it surprise you that Dublin are mid table from the 2018 allocations (not including provincial allocations)? Does that not make you happy that it is becoming more evenly distributed?

The damage is long done. Even if Dublin came back into line.

Did you also factor in Dublin's sports grants and sponsorship money?

4.5 times the number of children yet 15 times the GDF...wow that's fair.

8.9 times in the case of Mayo but almost 30 times the GDF.

Nope, you haven't made the case Dublin deserved massively more money than everyone else. The main reason they got it is because Bertie was tired of turning up at Croker to watch the Dubs lose, and also because he was trying to buy Dublin votes. His solution to every problem was throw millions and billions at it and let someone else pick up the tab.

kilns

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The damage is long done. Even if Dublin came back into line.

Did you also factor in Dublin's sports grants and sponsorship money?

4.5 times the number of children yet 15 times the GDF...wow that's fair.

8.9 times in the case of Mayo but almost 30 times the GDF.

Nope, you haven't made the case Dublin deserved massively more money than everyone else. The main reason they got it is because Bertie was tired of turning up at Croker to watch the Dubs lose, and also because he was trying to buy Dublin votes. His solution to every problem was throw millions and billions at it and let someone else pick up the tab.

So my question is what would rectify the situation for you?

Ok you make silly arguments about Bertie tired of turning up watching them lose etc etc, so I will skip by that and I presume you dont live in Dublin. You do know in the 90s the GAA was dying in Dublin, if nothing was done it would be a tiny minority sport in the city now. The Dublin county board knew this and had to act and so they put forward the strategic plan but yes they needed money and yes they got it and was it fair to other counties, probably not no, but it was needed and I am sure as much as guys like you hate Dublin, the GAA needs Dublin and something dramatic needed to be done. It has been a huge success with huge increases in participation in children, the success of the football team has helped too to increase the interest in the game. Dublin is a huge battleground for hearts and minds with so many other groups and interests vying for their attention too, yes rural Ireland would have other sports in their town but not on the same scale.

Dublin has been a success and it is only a pity it has not been able to be implemented throughout the country but there are different needs in different counties and different politics too in different counties - for example it has to be asked why did two big Kildare clubs in big towns refuse an extra GDO coach each to be assigned specifically to their club? and there will always be an imbalance (which was always there) due to population.

As I said the 2018, 2017 and 2016 figures show a reallignment of the balance but now the other urban centres need to be addressed firstly I think.

But I will revert to my question to you, what in your mind could the GAA do now to rectify it for you?

ToBeFrank123

kilns wrote: »

So my question is what would rectify the situation for you?

Ok you make silly arguments about Bertie tired of turning up watching them lose etc etc, so I will skip by that and I presume you dont live in Dublin. You do know in the 90s the GAA was dying in Dublin, if nothing was done it would be a tiny minority sport in the city now. The Dublin county board knew this and had to act and so they put forward the strategic plan but yes they needed money and yes they got it and was it fair to other counties, probably not no, but it was needed and I am sure as much as guys like you hate Dublin, the GAA needs Dublin and something dramatic needed to be done. It has been a huge success with huge increases in participation in children, they success of the football team has helped too to increase the interest in the game. Dublin is a huge battleground for hearts and minds with so many other groups and interests vying for their attention too, yes rural Ireland would have other sports in their town but not on the same scale.

Dublin has been a success and it is only a pity it has not been able to be implemented throughout the country but there are different needs in different counties and different politics too in different counties - for example it has to be asked why did two big Kildare clubs in big towns refuse an extra GDA coach each to be assigned specifically to their club? and there will always be an imbalance (which was always there) due to population.

As I said the 2018, 2017 and 2016 figures show a reallignment of the balance but now the other urban centres need to be addressed firstly I think.

But I will revert to my question to you, what in your mind could the GAA do now to rectify it for you?

I'm sorry, this is absolute horse manure.

From 1992 - 1995, Dublin competed in 3 All Ireland finals, winning 1 and should have won at least another. Looking forward to seeing how you can spin that as "dying".

In 1991 they went toe to toe for 4 games with a Meath team widely regarded as one of the best of all time in a Leinster first round game. They lost the fourth game to a last minute point. All 4 games were sell outs. The most recent Dublin v Meath Leinster final attracted 47,000.

kilns

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I'm sorry, this is absolute horse manure.

From 1992 - 1995, Dublin competed in 3 All Ireland finals, winning 1 and should have won at least another. Looking forward to seeing how you can spin that as "dying".

In the early 90s they went toe to toe for 4 games with a Meath team widely regarded as one of the best of all time. They lost the fourth game to a last minute free. All 4 games were sell outs. The most recent Dublin v Meath Leinster final attracted 47,000.

Ok so basically you know nothing about the on the ground Dublin GAA scene and are basing it on the senior football team in the 90s with players who were born the mid to early 70s. But lets take your argument, after 1995 it took them 16 years to even reach an All Ireland final, should according to your argument should that now highlight there was something wrong for a county with such a huge population advantage to the others?

In addition you do know the first Dublin meath game drew about the same crowd as the recent Leinster final

Again can you answer my question what would the GAA have to do to rectify the situation for you?

ToBeFrank123

kilns wrote: »

Ok so basically you know nothing about the on the ground Dublin GAA scene and are basing it on the senior football team in the 90s with players who were born the mid to early 70s. But lets take your argument, after 1995 it took them 16 years to even reach an All Ireland final, should according to your argument should that now highlight there was something wrong for a county with such a huge population advantage to the others?

Again can you answer my question what would the GAA have to do to rectify the situation for you?

Its actually too late to rectify the situation. The whole situation is a mess of Berties and the GAAs making. It would take decades of redistribution of funds and GDOs to other counties starting with Meath and Kildare and other Leinster counties to begin to solve it.

Who gives a damn how often Dublin reach an AI final. You've readily admitted because Dublin weren't reaching finals often enough, the financial rules were changed by the GAA to make sure they reached finals more often.

If that isn't doping, I don't know what is.

kilns

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Its actually too late to rectify the situation. The whole situation is a mess of Berties and the GAAs making. It would take decades of redistribution of funds and GDOs to other counties starting with Meath and Kildare and other Leinster counties to begin to solve it.

Who gives a damn how often Dublin reach an AI final. You've readily admitted because Dublin weren't reaching finals often enough, the financial rules were changed by the GAA to make sure they reached finals more often.

If that isn't doping, I don't know what is.

So you are arguing something and you dont even want to offer up a solution?

Decades to reverse?`If you gauge everything in success terms, how come Dublin have not totally dominated at under age level with most recently Kildare winning the Leinster under 20s. Or how would you deem the situation resolved?

Oh my god seriously? I didnt say the GAA changed the rules so Dublin could reach more finals that was your argument and I was using it against you. As I told you previously the GAA at grassroots in Dublin was on its knees and the strategic review was put in place to save it and it was implemented with great success as evident by increased participation numbers

Dublin have had their greatest group of players ever over the course of the last 10 years and success at senior level as come based on that, guys like Cluxton, Connolly etc are one offs. Just like Mayo probably have had their greatest group of players in the last 10 years too but unfortunately for them they just werent good enough and are now over the hill. Dublin will reach that point too with alot of their important players but due to sheer population advantage and a great manager in Gavin they will stay very relevant each year

ToBeFrank123

kilns wrote: »

So you are arguing something and you dont even want to offer up a solution?

Decades to reverse?`If you gauge everything in success terms, how come Dublin have not totally dominated at under age level with most recently Kildare winning the Leinster under 20s. Or how would you deem the situation resolved?

Oh my god seriously? I didnt say the GAA changed the rules so Dublin could reach more finals that was your argument and I was using it against you. As I told you previously the GAA at grassroots in Dublin was on its knees and strategic review was put in place to save it and it was implemented with great success as evident by increased participation numbers

Dublin have had their greatest group of players ever over the course of the last 10 years and success at senior level as come based on that, guys like Cluxton, Connolly etc are one offs. Just like Mayo probably have had their greatest group of players in the last 10 years too but unfortunately for them they just werent good enough and are now over the hill. Dublin will reach that point too with alot of their important players but due to sheer population advantage and a great manager in Gavin they will stay very relevant each year

I offered up a solution. Because you didn't like it, you just ignored it. A bit like John Horan and the GAA. They know the problem and the solution. Significant redistribution of funds and if anything give more to counties who were underfunded in the past so it will help them improve in a shorter time.

That's a summary of the solution. The practicalities would be more complex though. It would ensure in the long term financial fair play at all levels and ensuring every child in the country has regular access to GDOs, and not just the wealthy clubs in Dublin. So an even distribution of GDOs.

The Golden Generation myth has been exploded re Dublin. Not a single forward from 2011 started in the Leinster final this year and only 5 players started both games in total. Connolly is a peripheral figure at this stage as is McManamon.

Past30Now

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I offered up a solution. Because you didn't like it, you just ignored it. A bit like John Horan and the GAA. They know the problem and the solution. Significant redistribution of funds and if anything give more to counties who were underfunded in the past so it will help them improve in a shorter time.

That's a summary of the solution. The practicalities would be more complex though. It would ensure in the long term financial fair play at all levels and ensuring every child in the country has regular access to GDOs, and not just the wealthy clubs in Dublin. So an even distribution of GDOs.

The Golden Generation myth has been exploded re Dublin. Not a single forward from 2011 started in the Leinster final this year and only 5 players started both games in total. Connolly is a peripheral figure at this stage as is McManamon.

I missed your solution. Would you mind re-stating it?

kilns

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I offered up a solution. Because you didn't like it, you just ignored it. A bit like John Horan and the GAA. They know the problem and the solution. Significant redistribution of funds and if anything give more to counties who were underfunded in the past so it will help them improve in a shorter time.

That's a summary of the solution. The practicalities would be more complex though. It would ensure in the long term financial fair play at all levels and ensuring every child in the country has regular access to GDOs, and not just the wealthy clubs in Dublin. So an even distribution of GDOs.

The Golden Generation myth has been exploded re Dublin. Not a single forward from 2011 played in the Leinster final this year and only 5 players played in total. Connolly is a peripheral figure at this stage.

Your solution is the redistribution of funds?, which has begun as according for example to 2018 figures is fairly even across the board, do you deem that fair?

The wealthy clubs in Dublin do not have exclusive rights to GDOs there are poor clubs too who get access to them as well as plenty of clubs around the country and yes there needs to be more. But for example can you explain why 2 big clubs in Kildare refused to received an extra GDO each for their club? Is that Dublins fault too?

Yet in that same All Ireland final Dublin used 19 players and 11 are still are in the squad and then 2 years later in the final against Mayo in 2013, Dublin used 20 players 17 of those are still in the squad, including the core group who brought them the success over the years and shows how reliant they are on that group and as I said yes because of population and great management they will be relevant and have new players but will never not be as dominant, I personally think they will win this year but that could be it for another 2 or 3 years

fly_agaric

RoyalCelt wrote: »

This makes me sick to the stomach. If I knew this was happening back in 2005 as a teenager and if I knew where it would lead to I we would have saved a fortune. All these years I've been giving the GAA my hard earned cash for Dublin meath matches when in reality I was just finding the Dubs.

It's an interesting article (to me, because I posted wondering about the Bertie conspiracy ToBeFrank123 was ranting about in his posts) but I think you may have misread.

The article states it was government (i.e. taxpayer) grant money that was earmarked for GAA in Dublin, not fundraising (gate receipts etc??) by the GAA. edit: So your tax if that makes it feel better!

Between them, Bailey and Ahern hatched a plan. It involved ring-fencing €1 million a year of State funding for coaching and player development in the capital.

Each club which met strict criteria would be provided €25,000 of the €45,000 needed to hire a full time coach, with the rest of the money raised by the clubs themselves.

In order to avail of funding, the clubs linked in with the local schools, sharing their coach with their new partners. By 2001, the grants aimed at increasing grassroots participation were allocated through the Irish Sports Council, with the backing of the GAA.

The GAA has no god given right to such government sports grant money to distribute as it sees fit afterwards IMO.

Fann Linn

fly_agaric wrote: »

It's an interesting article (to me, because I posted wondering about the Bertie conspiracy ToBeFrank123 was ranting about in his posts) but I think you may have misread.

The article states it was government (i.e. taxpayer) grant money that was earmarked for GAA in Dublin, not fundraising (gate receipts etc??) by the GAA. edit: So your tax if that makes it feel better!



The GAA has no god given right to such government sports grant money to distribute as it sees fit afterwards IMO.

The govt gave and continues to give tax payers money to sports clubs eg golf, soccer, rugby, hockey, even Enda Kenny's local cycling club got money.

Perhaps ye should write to Leo and Paschal and tell them to ditch these grants.

fly_agaric

Fann Linn wrote: »

The govt gave and continues to give tax payers money to sports clubs eg golf, soccer, rugby, hockey, even Enda Kenny's local cycling club got money.

Perhaps ye should write to Leo and Paschal and tell them to ditch these grants.

I think I wasn't clear there, sorry.

What I was trying to say was GAA did not have any right to then go and (somehow) spend that money around the country as they saw fit as they got the grants specifically to do with Dublin and participation there as per that article.

I do think these sports grants are a bit of an opaque system to disburse such funding alright which can be subject to parish pumpery by Enda, Bertie or whoever (edit: think Shane Ross got some stick from the media too over one given to Wesley College) is in power at the time but that's a whole other can of worms.

RoyalCelt

Watch bertie here at the Dublin westmeath match in 2004. You can pinpoint the exact moment he decides to pump millions into Dublin GAA. https://youtu.be/JC_r-2MFh4k

Fann Linn

15 year old videos. Really scraping the barrel now.

kilns

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Watch bertie here at the Dublin westmeath match in 2004. You can pinpoint the exact moment he decides to pump millions into Dublin GAA. https://youtu.be/JC_r-2MFh4k

To be frankly honest, that is stupid

But being a Meath man, what do you think about all the internal politics within your county which many whom I know are saying is holding them back. There seems to be a very big divide in your county in terms of selection of players, where North Meath does not even get considered. That is not me saying this it is people from Meath.

I think politics in county boards is one of the biggest things holding many counties back, Dublin for one (as I can only speak for them) is well run and free from such infighting politics

dunnerc

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Why can't Dublin spend some of their millions funding them? Why do the GAA need to pay 50%? Dublins GAA accounts show they have a big surplus every year so they clearly have the excess funds to do so. The GAA are bent over backwards for the Dubs the past 20 years.

I wouldn't split Dublin in 4 but it will have to be in 2. I also wouldn't split Dublin now while they're creating history. I'd let them do 10 or 11 in a row and see if they can catch Kerry's Sam total. But it will have to happen.

We could have a situation in 100 years where 50% of the population is in Dublin. It's not 1888 anymore. It could take 20 years to normalise North and South Dublin and maybe an AI win for each to get the fans fully behind it but when it becomes tradition it will be the GAA's biggest asset. The biggest Derby in Ireland and it would really capture the imagination of the capital. No more 30k/40k fans turning up for big games.

You'd also like to think North and South Dublin won't continue to steam roll everybody, especially in Leinster because otherwise we're ****ed. I can't see Dublin split more then two working. You'd imagine with Meath and Kildares populations continuing to grow they could compete most years with Dublin North or South.

Is whinging on HoganStand not enough for you Jack_Goff ? To much time on your hands .

Beechwoodspark

It’s clear that Congress is the route to take to change the crazy situation that has developed.

Delegates need to get their house in order pre congress to be effective on this.

kilns

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s clear that Congress is the route to take to change the crazy situation that has developed.

Delegates need to get their house in order pre congress to be effective on this.

Crazy situation? change route?

Could you please elaborate

robbiezero

kilns wrote: »

Your solution is the redistribution of funds?, which has begun as according for example to 2018 figures is fairly even across the board, do you deem that fair?

The wealthy clubs in Dublin do not have exclusive rights to GDOs there are poor clubs too who get access to them as well as plenty of clubs around the country and yes there needs to be more. But for example can you explain why 2 big clubs in Kildare refused to received an extra GDO each for their club? Is that Dublins fault too?

Yet in that same All Ireland final Dublin used 19 players and 11 are still are in the squad and then 2 years later in the final against Mayo in 2013, Dublin used 20 players 17 of those are still in the squad, including the core group who brought them the success over the years and shows how reliant they are on that group and as I said yes because of population and great management they will be relevant and have new players but will never not be as dominant, I personally think they will win this year but that could be it for another 2 or 3 years

They aren't in any way reliant on that group at this present moment, bar maybe Cluxton.

kilns

robbiezero wrote: »

They aren't in any way reliant on that group at this present moment, bar maybe Cluxton.

From the players used in the All Ireland final of 2013 (6 years ago) the following 17 players are still in the squad

Cluxton
McMahon
OCarroll
Cooper
McCarthy
McCaffrey
McAuley
OSullivan
Kilkenny
Connolly
Mannion
Andrews
Brogan
OGara
Daly
Rock
McMenamon

I think they are still reliant on more than Cluxton out of this group no?