Loaded sub machine gun found on street.

Poor Uncle Tom

grahambo wrote: »

In fairness this is a known issue with the Audi's
The woman who walked away with the bag "wanted the story"

The Garda station was right there, she didn't need to walk away with it.
There is a Garda manning the gate of the Station on Harcourt St all the time.

There was absolutely no reason to walk away with it.

Amazing, bungling keystone cops and someone finds an angle to lay blame elsewhere

ILoveYourVibes

Rows Grower wrote: »

Found in north inner city Dublin.

A member of the public handed it into a Garda Station.

It was a Garda gun.

Ooops.

Someone needs to be fired and maybe arrested.

ILoveYourVibes

Ten of Swords wrote: »

GSOC recommend no disciplinary sanctions for the 2 detectives. I wonder if they'd be so benevolent if the gun had not been recovered.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/two-gardai-who-lost-submachine-gun-on-dublin-street-should-not-face-sanctions-gsoc-38146575.html

OH NO ....this is NOT ok they should not be allowed keep their jobs.

Beta Ray Bill

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Amazing, bungling keystone cops and someone finds an angle to lay blame elsewhere

Google "audi a6 faulty boot lock"
This is a known issue!!

This whole thing happened in a matter of seconds.

They saw the woman with the bag walking off with it.
Would you pick up a small black duffle bag off the ground in the middle of the street and look at what's inside of it?

Make no mistake she knew EXACTLY what it was, and wanted the drama/news story.

Even if you did look inside of it, the first thing I'd do is call the Garda and tell them there is Gun in a bag right outside your Garda Station. I most certainly would not walk off with it.

Nekarsulm

They saw her pick up the bag, but instead of jamming on the brakes and leaping out and grabbing her and the bag/gun, they drive on and tried to drive back to the spot.
Then we were told that due to traffic they couldn't turn around and by the time they finally drove back, she had disappeared.
This smells like bullšhit to me.
Either they saw her picking up the bag and couldn't be arsed getting out of the Audi to chase her (extreme negligence, dereliction of duty) or the didn't miss it untill later. ( just negligent).
Or more likely, one guy left the bag on top of the boot lid and forgot to put it in the car at all, then came up with the boot lock story later.
Strange there is no CCTV on a Garda Station entrance.....

Edgware

Nekarsulm wrote: »

They saw her pick up the bag, but instead of jamming on the brakes and leaping out and grabbing her and the bag/gun, they drive on and tried to drive back to the spot.
Then we were told that due to traffic they couldn't turn around and by the time they finally drove back, she had disappeared.
This smells like bullšhit to me.
Either they saw her picking up the bag and couldn't be arsed getting out of the Audi to chase her (extreme negligence, dereliction of duty) or the didn't miss it untill later. ( just negligent).
Or more likely, one guy left the bag on top of the boot lid and forgot to put it in the car at all, then came up with the boot lock story later.
Strange there is no CCTV on a Garda Station entrance.....

The CCTV was directed towards the grassy knoll

MrFresh

Be interesting to see how the Commissioner responds. He's eager to fire a Garda for having sex in uniform and filming it. I'd argue losing a machine gun is worse than that. He's holding up promotions for people simply because there is a complaint about them yet there seems to have been a complete cover up of the incident at the gate to hq where he was apparently in an accident while being escorted by armed PSNI officers.

Poor Uncle Tom

grahambo wrote: »

Google "audi a6 faulty boot lock"
This is a known issue!!

And that's why the cops are using it as an excuse.

grahambo wrote: »

This whole thing happened in a matter of seconds.

They saw the woman with the bag walking off with it.

Bull****, if they saw her they would have followed/chased her.

grahambo wrote: »

Would you pick up a small black duffle bag off the ground in the middle of the street and look at what's inside of it?

It doesn't matter what I would do. In this case a member of the public did just as you said.

grahambo wrote: »

Make no mistake she knew EXACTLY what it was, and wanted the drama/news story.

Are we to believe your CT that this woman was stalking the cops waiting for them to slip up so she could expose them? If so, they shouldn't have played so spectacularly into her hands, should they?

grahambo wrote: »

Even if you did look inside of it, the first thing I'd do is call the Garda and tell them there is Gun in a bag right outside your Garda Station. I most certainly would not walk off with it.

The whole thing stinks but one thing shines through the whole debacle and that's the complete ineptitude to the cops involved, they shouldn't be in charge of a walking stick let alone a loaded firearm.

Beta Ray Bill

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

And that's why the cops are using it as an excuse.

That doesnt add up for me, it's what happened. There is no excuses to be made.

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Bull****, if they saw her they would have followed/chased her.

I agree with you.
This is the bit I don't get. if I knew it was a gun I'd have ran after her.
(Unless she ran too that is)

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

It doesn't matter what I would do. In this case a member of the public did just as you said.

Can I ask what you would do?
1: If you saw a black duffle bag on the side of the road would you stop and open it or walk away?
2: If you discovered a machine gun, would call the Garda immediately or would you walk off with it?

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Are we to believe your CT that this woman was stalking the cops waiting for them to slip up so she could expose them? If so, they shouldn't have played so spectacularly into her hands, should they?

No, just an arsehole with an opportunity. If it were me, I would have called the Garda having discovered it, and waited with it until they arrived.
Lot of them out there.

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

The whole thing stinks but one thing shines through the whole debacle and that's the complete ineptitude to the cops involved, they shouldn't be in charge of a walking stick let alone a loaded firearm.

Not really.
This was a GSOC investigation. GSOC HATE the Garda and will throw the book at them for even the smallest infraction.
Ask any Garda and they will tell you this.

The fact that the GSOC found the story to be legit and said the Gardai involved should not face any action says a lot.

You can believe all the sensationalist crap if you want.

GrumpyMe

Rylee Echoing Flu wrote: »

I've no idea tbh.
I seem to recall a guard being shot by another member in a botched bank robbery. Not sure if he died, a Google search might work.
There was a recruit injured by another in training a few years back. From member the recruit was shooting blanks but had not put the Blank Firing Attachment onto the muzzle of his rifle.
I don't recall any soldiers being shot by friendly fire with live ball.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

That was the Abbeyleix bank robbery. Sergeant John Eiffe was shot dead and another Guard injured. No shots were fired by the robbers.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/the-tragic-day-a-young-garda-died-26245908.html

Could also be from 1990 Athy raid
“...Yesterday’s shooting brings this year’s total of men shot by gardaí to 12. Bank raider Austin Higgins was killed in the Athy shoot-out outside the Bank of Ireland on January 12. On that occasion, Garda fire also hit two other gang members, two bank staff and three gardaí.” The Cork Examiner 07/07/1990
http://www.irishnewsarchive.com/ina_wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Irish-Examiner-July-07-1990-Combined-with-logos.pdf
I seem to remember footage of the “siege” on the RTE News, with one shotgun bearing garda doing all movie moves, weapon held high across his upper chest, running to and flattening himself against the wall of the bank beside the entrance – looked OTT/gung-ho at the time.

Dyr

grahambo wrote: »

This was a GSOC investigation. GSOC HATE the Garda and will throw the book at them for even the smallest infraction.
Ask any Garda and they will tell you this.

It's funny to hear gardee whinging about GSOC in the exact same way skangers whinge about the gardee

Beta Ray Bill

Bambi wrote: »

It's funny to hear gardee whinging about GSOC in the exact same way skangers whinge about the gardee

To clarify, I'm not a Garda.

Dyr

grahambo wrote: »

To clarify, I'm not a Garda.

To clarify you said this:

Ask any Garda and they will tell you this.