Why is Dublin such a popular destination for Brazilians?

Billy86

We've very different cultures, but in my experience quite similar personalities. Brazilians tend to be happy and like a laugh, love to have a drink or ten and get messy, chatty and outgoing to talk to strangers (particularly after the drinks), quite relaxed (compared to say the Dutch or Germans who would be a good deal more formal) and with a bit of a 'laissez faire but try not to take the p*ss or hurt/offend others' attitude in general while not taking ourselves too seriously.

Atoms for Peace

Don't have too many problems with south American migrants. We share a similar post colonial Catholic history and tradition, ensuring successful intehration.
There is also significant Irish communities in Argentina and Mexico that should be prioritised when it comes to getting visa's.

Le Bruise

The Crowman wrote: »

This thing is a popular childrens TV character there

Bosco really let himself go

Billy86

Le Bruise wrote: »

Bosco really let himself go

You know it's bad when you've got balls for cheeks.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

As many Brazilians, if not more, have recent Italian or German ancestry as have recent Portuguese ancestry.

Le Bruise

Billy86 wrote: »

You know it's bad when you've got balls for cheeks.

You’d certainly have to question some of your life choices!

biko

Cobaca-copperfacejacks

Franz Von Peppercorn

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

As many Brazilians, if not more, have recent Italian or German ancestry as have recent Portuguese ancestry.

It’s fairly mixed. That’s more true of Argentina though.

Franz Von Peppercorn

weldoninhio wrote: »

Incorrect. A person in possession of an EU passport can live in any EU member state for three months and if they don’t have the means to provide for themselves can be repatriated.

Never happens though.

myshirt

Dublin is where the majority of the economic activity is. People will always travel counties for a good value service. There may not be a beauty parlour in their locality.

Richard Hillman

Have quite a few Brazilians in my workplace. An absolute pleasure to be around. Always pleasant, always jovial.

weldoninhio

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Never happens though.

Does in countries that aren’t a soft touch. Germany as an example.

rossie1977

cournioni wrote: »

Not just in Dublin, plenty of them dotted around the country. Particularly in places with food processing plants from what I've seen.

Big Brazilian population here in Roscommon. Story from 15 years ago talks about how 10% of Roscommon town's population were Brazilian https://www.irishtimes.com/news/brazilians-adapt-to-life-in-roscommon-1.351543?mode=amp

Stephen15

Only ever see white or more specifically olive skin Brazilians in Ireland who look like Europeans could as Portugese or Spanish. Even tough most of Brazil's population is mixed race just look at the Brazil football team mostly black guys or have African heritage.

Muahahaha

thebull85 wrote: »

I have noticed an increasing number of Brazilians in Dublin in the last couple of years, a group of 8 of them now live in house on my road.

So whats the attraction with Dublin?

One of the reasons you are seeing so many is that about 3 years ago the UK stopped allowing them a get a work visa while they learn english. They changed the law which now requires them to be studying in a university which costs around £10k tuition fees per year, something that most of them cannot afford. So when the UK changed their law they came here in bigger numbers because they can go to 10 or 15 hours of english lessons and then pretty much work full time (even though their visa here limits them to 20 hours work per week we all know this is widely abused and never policed)

Another factor in the increase was a deal done between Ireland and Brazil to provide young Brazilians with an opportunity to learn english. Rumour has it part of the deal was that the Brazilian government would do their best to extradite solicitor turned conman Michael Lynn who was hiding out in Brazil for over five years at the time. Lynn has been extradicted now from a country that was supposedly safe for fugitives so there might well have been some truth in the rumour.

wakka12

Stephen15 wrote: »

Only ever see white or more specifically olive skin Brazilians in Ireland who look like Europeans could as Portugese or Spanish. Even tough most of Brazil's population is mixed race just look at the Brazil football team mostly black guys or have African heritage.

I think its because white braziliasn are quite a lot wealthier and can afford to come here

Having said that though Ive met dozens of brazilians in ireland who are black or mestizo or mixed

Almost 50% of brazilians are white though anyway(mostly mediterranean descent though so they won't look like northern european white), 40% are mixed, only 10% are black so they're definitely over represented in sports, 1 % native

jimmytwotimes 2013

Stephen15 wrote: »

Only ever see white or more specifically olive skin Brazilians in Ireland who look like Europeans could as Portugese or Spanish. Even tough most of Brazil's population is mixed race just look at the Brazil football team mostly black guys or have African heritage.

Football draws from the lower classes. Those of European descent tend to be, but not exclusively, from middle and upper classes. Like Kaka for example.

Subcomandante Marcos

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Football draws from the lower classes. Those of European descent tend to be, but not exclusively, from middle and upper classes. Like Kaka for example.

Kaka's parents were super wealthy, he grew up in one go the most expensive areas of Sao Paulo and married his the daughter of one of the board members of Christian D'oir.

pauliebdub

It's easier to get into than USA, Canada or the UK and there are much better job prospects here than other places like Spain or Portugal. Do we have an open door, there seems to be thousands of them in Dublin?? I think they're very nice people and great fun to be around.

Sam Quentin

Maybe because it's remotely safer than Rio!?

jay0109

Perhaps this is why Ireland is such a popular location for those coming here to 'study'

http://www.thejournal.ie/student-scheme-4219231-Sep2018/

THE GOVERNMENT HAS approved a scheme which could allow up to 5,000 people from outside the European Economic Area (EEA), who originally came to Ireland to study, to remain in Ireland to work.

The scheme would apply to people who came to Ireland to study between January 2005 and December 2010 and stayed on to work. This move follows a Supreme Court judgement that former holders of student permission were entitled to have their family and privacy rights under the European Convention on Human Rights taken into account as part of their application to remain.

Court challenges were taken after the introduction of new study policy in 2011 which meant non-EEA students could only live in Ireland for a maximum of seven years. The government introduced this new policy to address abuses of the student immigration system and in particular the English language sector where in some cases students were being enrolled over long periods of time without quality course being provided.

In the court challenges, two former students sought permission to change their status allowing them to work and receive social welfare payments. In one case, a woman’s two children had joined her in Ireland and in the second case a man married another non-national in Ireland and they had a child here together.

The court found that in both cases the State had allowed the applicants to stay in Ireland without objection until the law changed and that their rights under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights should have been considered.

We have no immigration policy in this country except that of effectively an open border.

ToddyDoody

cournioni wrote: »

Not just in Dublin, plenty of them dotted around the country. Particularly in places with food processing plants from what I've seen.

Take Gort for example http://www.thejournal.ie/gort-brazil-galway-integration-1793970-Nov2014/

It's the laid back mentality e.g. third highest public debt in the world happily ignored

The Crowman

This bunch have a branch in Cork, have gotten their flyers through the door a few times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Church_of_the_Kingdom_of_God

Hector Bellend

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Chape drink in Diceys

Then into coppers for cheap gash. Then wowburger and a blowie outside stephens green

Mr. Incognito

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

You can get a visa and work. Very few countries offer that. My gf is Brazilian. They are gorgeous

Agree with the over-rated bit as about poster said. Have been to Brazil several times. You don't even see many hot ones in Rio. Most are well below average. The Giselle types come from southern Brazil near florianapolis but are thin on the ground. And they are certainly not the ones that come to Dublin.

sbsquarepants

We recently imported hired one in work, she's very pretty with quite hypnotic bosoooms so she is.
Let them on in I say:D

Odhinn

sbsquarepants wrote: »

We recently imported hired one in work, she's very pretty with quite hypnotic bosoooms so she is.
Let them on in I say:D

All of them, or just the bosoms?

glasso

glasso wrote: »

Agree with the over-rated bit as about poster said. Have been to Brazil several times. You don't even see many hot ones in Rio. Most are well below average. The Giselle types come from southern Brazil near florianapolis but are thin on the ground. And they are certainly not the ones that come to Dublin.

My ex was Brazilian, she was decent enough ......... 7/8 out of 10, some of her friends were fooking utter dogs. Much like any nationality really.

Augeo

Augeo wrote: »

My ex was Brazilian, she was decent enough ......... 7/8 out of 10, some of her friends were fooking utter dogs. Much like any nationality really.

yeah but they have this internationally exalted reputation which is totally unjustified just 'cos there is one hot bird in the crowd at the world cup. huge mix of ethnic origins in Brazil - most of them not conducive to producing hotties. I'd say that the average is below a lot of countries. Colombia on the other hand....

very interesting book called " a death in Brazil" - would recommend it to anyone interested in the country's history and ethnicity.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It’s fairly mixed. That’s more true of Argentina though.

Yeah loads of Argentines are of Italian descent. More Brazilians have Portuguese descent but that's often way back. Quite a few Japanese descended people in Sao Paolo too.

sbsquarepants

Odhinn wrote: »

All of them, or just the bosoms?

The whole kit and caboodle I reckon:D

sbsquarepants

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

. Quite a few Japanese descended people in Sao Paolo too.

Interesting - I always reckon Roberto Firminio looks very Asian!

The_Kew_Tour

Columbia and Argentina are best looking women in SA.

Brazil are overrated but that's not say they don't have any. Just not on every corner.

irishguitarlad

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Columbia and Argentina are best looking women in SA.

Brazil are overrated but that's not say they don't have any. Just not on every corner.

Forgot Venezuela;-)

seamus

My understanding is that the Brazilians have a really good communications chain, very similar to the Irish and Italians in New York during the 1800s/1900s.

When someone arrives fresh from Brazilia, they'll already have the name and contact details of someone who will then hook them up and introduce them the to the wider Brazilian community. Thus they seem to pop up in "clusters", with loads of them moving into a single area at the one time.

Other nationalities who maybe aren't quite so far from home or highly-skilled workers, will move to Ireland without needing to connect to a community for assistance on the ground. So they won't "cluster" quite so much.

Same reason Nigerians, Chinese and similar "far from home" ethnic groups appear in clusters.

pickarooney

wexie wrote: »

That looks like the lovechild of Alf and Roseanne :eek:

It's like Podge T-bagged Bosco

pickarooney

weldoninhio wrote: »

Does in countries that aren’t a soft touch. Germany as an example.

Germany is widely and routinely mocked for being a soft touch in immigration; it's arguably the most controversial aspect of the current administration.

chicorytip

Brazilian society is very homophobic so it's not surprising that many gay people from that country seem to be moving here to experience more personal freedom.

jace_da_face

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Forgot Venezuela;-)

Aren't they all in Brazil now?

irishguitarlad

jace_da_face wrote: »

Aren't they all in Brazil now?

Yeah Perú and Colombia as well by all accounts. On a side note I think South American women age pretty poorly (wealthy ones and actresses the exceptions) in comparison to European women.

imme

jay0109 wrote: »

Perhaps this is why Ireland is such a popular location for those coming here to 'study'

http://www.thejournal.ie/student-scheme-4219231-Sep2018/

We have no immigration policy in this country except that of effectively an open border.

Ireland is remiss in setting up these schemes, they don't benefit anyone in Ireland other than providing slave labour, pizza delivery staff, rickshaw drivers.

People don't go home, they stay in Ireland.
At a time of housing pressures it is hard to believe that Ireland still has these schemes up and running.

Who financed the supreme court case???

thebull85

seamus wrote: »

My understanding is that the Brazilians have a really good communications chain, very similar to the Irish and Italians in New York during the 1800s/1900s.

When someone arrives fresh from Brazilia, they'll already have the name and contact details of someone who will then hook them up and introduce them the to the wider Brazilian community. Thus they seem to pop up in "clusters", with loads of them moving into a single area at the one time.

Other nationalities who maybe aren't quite so far from home or highly-skilled workers, will move to Ireland without needing to connect to a community for assistance on the ground. So they won't "cluster" quite so much.

Same reason Nigerians, Chinese and similar "far from home" ethnic groups appear in clusters.

Yeah and add to this when one leaves an apartment another one of their compatriots is there straight away to take there place.

Landlords are scum, Irish people have no chance in the current rental market.

Das Reich

Brazilian here. Actually the places in Ireland full of Brazilians are not near Dublin. Gort, Kilbeggan, Ballyjamesduff, Roscommon, Ennis, Newcastle West, Carlow, these are the towns where Brazilians live. They arrived in 1999 after being collected with working visa in a meat factory in a city called Anapolis, to work on meat factories in Ireland. The number increased till 2008 when many of them returned home, and started to increase since then.

Das Reich

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Yeah Perú and Colombia as well by all accounts. On a side note I think South American women age pretty poorly (wealthy ones and actresses the exceptions) in comparison to European women.

Brazilian women are very ugly and most of them very americanized, no Brazilian man fancy on marry some of them. Those countries you mentioned around Brazil are even much worse, in Peru they are very short and fat, they look like under counter fridge, they have almost no mediterranean people there, people are amerindian. I lived few months in Peru and feel like a giant. After returning to Brazil I did find any woman beautiful.

Dr Turk Turkelton

Das Reich wrote: »

Brazilian women are very ugly and most of them very americanized, no Brazilian man fancy on marry some of them. Those countries you mentioned around Brazil are even much worse, in Peru they are very short and fat, they look like under counter fridge, they have almost no mediterranean people there, people are amerindian. I lived few months in Peru and feel like a giant. After returning to Brazil I did find any woman beautiful.

Under counter fridge- your my new favourite poster!
I do tend to agree with you though having lived in New York, the Ecuadorian women were the same and a lot of the Mexican women as well.

Kivaro

imme wrote: »

Ireland is remiss in setting up these schemes, they don't benefit anyone in Ireland other than providing slave labour, pizza delivery staff, rickshaw drivers.

People don't go home, they stay in Ireland.
At a time of housing pressures it is hard to believe that Ireland still has these schemes up and running.

Who financed the supreme court case???

One could guess that the The Immigrant Council of Ireland was involved; especially after listening to their glee on radio today discussing the court case outcome.

If you think about the approximate 5,000 who could now stay in Ireland and get welfare after this court case, it is shocking when you think how this number will increase drastically with the reunification scheme that the Government ridiculously approved.
Don't forget that welfare is not just dole; it is children's allowance, medical cards, free housing, and the magical welfare list goes on and on.

Das Reich

imme wrote: »

Ireland is remiss in setting up these schemes, they don't benefit anyone in Ireland other than providing slave labour, pizza delivery staff, rickshaw drivers.

People don't go home, they stay in Ireland.
At a time of housing pressures it is hard to believe that Ireland still has these schemes up and running.

Who financed the supreme court case???

No I have a question for Irish for any other European.

I am not saying immigration is good, I am even against it, but why they complain about south americans or chinese, most of them work and are not muslim, and at the same time they not only open the doors to gypsies and muslims but they go to their countries to bring them here. It sounds a paradox, I see the same in UK, they talk about Polish and yet they country is filled with people that have only one thing in mind, convert Europe to islam. As Polish people are white and catholic, then can be blamed without been called a racist, I did read a comment below about how Brazil is homophobic, really? In Brazil gay marriage was allowded in 2013 even before than Ireland.

Why Irish, English and other Europeans, they feel free to bash Chinese, Eastern European and some other non muslim nationalities, but when it comes to talk about muslims they all get affraid? I would like to hear.

evolving_doors

Brazillians of what?

irishguitarlad

Das Reich wrote: »

Brazilian women are very ugly and most of them very americanized, no Brazilian man fancy on marry some of them. Those countries you mentioned around Brazil are even much worse, in Peru they are very short and fat, they look like under counter fridge, they have almost no mediterranean people there, people are amerindian. I lived few months in Peru and feel like a giant. After returning to Brazil I did find any woman beautiful.

I meant that the Venezuelans are ending up in Perú and Colombia as well, not just Brazil.

fly_agaric

Das Reich wrote: »

No I have a question for Irish for any other European.

I am not saying immigration is good, I am even against it, but why they complain about south americans or chinese, most of them work and are not muslim, and at the same time they not only open the doors to gypsies and muslims but they go to their countries to bring them here.
It sounds a paradox, I see the same in UK, they talk about Polish and yet they country is filled with people that have only one thing in mind, convert Europe to islam. As Polish people are white and catholic, then can be blamed without been called a racist, I did read a comment below about how Brazil is homophobic, really? In Brazil gay marriage was allowded in 2013 even before than Ireland.

Why Irish, English and other Europeans, they feel free to bash Chinese, Eastern European and some other non muslim nationalities, but when it comes to talk about muslims they all get affraid? I would like to hear.

I don't know if I'd agree with including Ireland along with UK or most other countries in Europe. I don't think many people "feel free to bash" any group of immigrants. There doesn't seem to be much complaining either.
There has been very high immigration here for most of the past 20 years now, none of the main political parties are questioning it/calling for a clamp down & there is no far right party pushing the issue. Some people definitely do think it is too high (and will comment on likes of this thread), but its obviously something the public is not highly concerned about and its not something they will vote on as a single issue.
Otherwise there would be Irish versions of parties like the [pretty much] single-issue ones getting support across the EU (UKIP, AfD etc) and as yet we don't have these.

As regards "gypsies" one thing that has to be noted is they are different to S. American & Chinese immigrants as they are Europeans from EU member states and fully entitled to avail of EU freedom of movement.

Muslims (in the UK) may cause a lot of problems (compared to Polish or S. American or Chinese immigrants) but the muslims there are not "immigrants" any more. I mean most of them would be 2nd or 3rd generation at this point...
Part of it might also be issue of being cast as a racist when expressing anti-immigrant sentiments towards muslims. Another factor IMO is the UKs anti-EU attitudes - they consider the arrival of the Polish/Eastern Europeans as an imposition from the EU (freedom of movement) while in a sense the muslims were "their" immigrants brought in from the former Empire. Another issue of course is that, as I said, muslims themselves are well settled in the UK. Some of them might not exactly be happy about an influx of new immigrants & consider them taking potential visa spots + jobs from extended family members. I think that was played on during the Brexit referendum in some areas.