This can't go on.

Doctors room ghost

seachto7 wrote: »

National service. Mandatory.

I’d agree with this but if it’s through the so called justice system the first 2 years should be unpaid with the scum housed in barracks and use the money they would get through “entitlements” to feed the good for nothing pond rats.housing them in barracks would also remove them from society so we haven’t to be looking at their rat features faces and listening to their forced ghetto accents

wexie

Vic_08 wrote: »

Mandatory minimum sentences, the judiciary have already proved they are incapable or unwilling to keep society safe from prolific and dangerous criminals.

A bar on concurrent sentences; no more do one get 10 added on for free nonsense.

A sliding scale for repeat offences; probation or suspended is reasonable for some 1st offences. A second chance should be just that, a SECOND chance, fail to take it and you go to prison.

1 year for 2nd offence, 2 for 3rd, 4 for 4th, 8 for 5th and so on. Nobody should be able to rack up 100s of convictions and still be allowed to roam the streets victimising more people.

All criminal procedures should have a victim compensation element attached, every conviction should also include an award to the victim payable by the criminal. If they can't pay then a proportion of their wages or benefits gets diverted to the victim until the debt is cleared, if they are a child then the parents are liable.

forgot something :

seachto7

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I’d agree with this but if it’s through the so called justice system the first 2 years should be unpaid with the scum housed in barracks and use the money they would get through “entitlements” to feed the good for nothing pond rats.housing them in barracks would also remove them from society so we haven’t to be looking at their rat features faces and listening to their forced ghetto accents

Agree. Get them doing some kind of work. Pay them even, but put them in a barracks and force them to do it.

The liberal crawthumpers won't have it though.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Can we not just hang them from the nearest tree and leave them there to rot? Just an idea like...

Doctors room ghost

seachto7 wrote: »

Agree. Get them doing some kind of work. Pay them even, but put them in a barracks and force them to do it.

The liberal crawthumpers won't have it though.

I’d only pay them after completing a 2 or 3 year apprenticeship through the army.leave them on basic entitlements until then and stop all money if they fail in any way to participate in their work

shar01

Okay... this is pie in the sky but...

Local elections are next year. Councillors sit on Policing Committees. A handful of votes can make all the difference in a local election.

Start putting pressure on our councillors to have more foot patrols and take the "broken window" approach.

Yeah, may as well dream here as anywhere else....

seachto7

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I’d only pay them after completing a 2 or 3 year apprenticeship through the army.leave them on basic entitlements until then and stop all money if they fail in any way to participate in their work

Big time. Before people scream "Magdalene laundries", treat them fairly, but be tough.

stevensi

One day I'd love one of the defense lawyers for these kids turn up and say...actually your honour this guy is a scumbag and deserves a heavy sentence! Do they really believe the bull they spout when they talk about a hard upbringing/fell in with the wrong crowd etc...

shar01

stevensi wrote: »

One day I'd love one of the defense lawyers for these kids turn up and say...actually your honour this guy is a scumbag and deserves a heavy sentence! Do they really believe the bull they spout when they talk about a hard upbringing/fell in with the wrong crowd etc...

And fall off that gravy train?

jayobray

stevensi wrote: »

One day I'd love one of the defense lawyers for these kids turn up and say...actually your honour this guy is a scumbag and deserves a heavy sentence! Do they really believe the bull they spout when they talk about a hard upbringing/fell in with the wrong crowd etc...

It's not their job to believe or not, and I suspect many or most have the same opinion of the scrotes as we all do, especially being in contact with them, but their job is to provide a defense.

Well, from early next year we'll have a chance to see in the longer term does the introduction of abortion actually have an effect on the crime rate. It would be great if these scrotes never got born in the first place......

https://scholar.harvard.edu/barro/files/99_0927_crimerate_bw.pdf

jim salter

Thepillowman wrote: »

Any teenager with more than 3 convictions into the army for 4yrs teach them a trade and a bit of respect. Because as far as I can see present policies aren't working.

Forget the army - they will just learn skills and become even bigger cůnts.

Stone quarry, no machines, 12 hour days, minimal food maximum sentences.

sbsquarepants

beertons wrote: »

My grandfather used to drown the pups he didn't want in a bucket of water. Will I tell him to get a bigger bucket?

That's what we need more men like auld granda, he sounds delightful!

Uriel.

Turn children's allowance into a tax credit,
recoup court and policing costs for these renegade children from allowances.
discourage these kind of people from kids in the first place.
with free abortions on the way this should be a no brainer.

how the **** is that child still in the "care" of the mother I don't know.

gandalf

Send these feral kids to live with the Love Both campaigners as they seem to care so much about allowing unwanted kids to be born.

TBH I wouldn't wish these guys on the army, the army don't deserve that sort of crap.

Sentences for crimes need to be more severe the more crime these "individuals" commit.

1-3 crimes set term, 3-6 multiply by 1.25, 6-10 multiply by 1.5, 10-20 multiply by 2. 21+ Life. It would involve building more prisons (with no mod cons).

If we were really cruel just chain them to the walls for the duration of their term and feed them intravenously. By the time they are released they'd be a physical wreak and of no real threat to anyone.

the purple tin

I read about a judge who recently threatened to send a 'paddywagon' to haul a mother off to prison because her two daughters had missed too many days of school the last year, in Ennis I think it was.
Why is the mother of this little scumbag not in the same boat?

Edit- here's a couple of cases
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/mother-of-nine-avoids-jail-for-failing-to-send-three-children-to-school-1.2494377
http://www.thejournal.ie/parents-convicted-over-truant-son-3948735-Apr2018/

How come the mother wasn't sent to jail like these parents?

4068ac1elhodqr

Whola, le prison ship:

Currently in use just off the Bronx, but China could likely build one for 1/10th the cost of a fancy Supermax in a few weeks.
Space for a few thousand, no TV facilities on-board.

Eggs For Dinner

This wouldn't happen if these kids had a playground and other facilities to keep them occupied

alchemist33

Donald Trump wrote: »

Where's batman when you need him




Or the Irish equivalent of batman - the 'ra

Baseball batman?

Doctors room ghost

Randy Rotten Gofer wrote: »

Whola, le prison ship:

Currently in use just off the Bronx, but China could likely build one for 1/10th the cost of a fancy Supermax in a few weeks.
Space for a few thousand, no TV facilities on-board.

Good one and any pond rat acting the boll1x could have a wee accident and “fall” overboard

hatrickpatrick

Ah Jaysus, I'm very much torn between my hatred of Dublin scumbags and my hatred of Dublin cyclists when reading this story.

Sleepy

I don't know how we can do anything about the current crop but maybe if we offered any teenager guilty of a second offence 5k to be voluntarily sterilised we could prevent the next generation of scum from being born?

Doctors room ghost

Sleepy wrote: »

I don't know how we can do anything about the current crop but maybe if we offered any teenager guilty of a second offence 5k to be voluntarily sterilised we could prevent the next generation of scum from being born?

I said that before.it would be like planting a tree.its a gift for future generations to enjoy and benefit from and get a vet to do it so as not to stress the already stressed health system

lucast2007us

Chuck Norris wouldn't take this ****e I can tell ya

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Ah Jaysus, I'm very much torn between my hatred of Dublin scumbags and my hatred of Dublin cyclists when reading this story.

What kind of a stupid post is that?

Cyclist get a punch in the face by some scumbag and from that you hate cyclists? How did you manage to turn this into an anti cyclist thread? Wtf are you talking about?

Beanntraigheach

soups05

strange for a topic like this not to have someone coming in defending the scum. it warms my heart that others are coming around to my way of thinking.

the intervention type response of providing second chances, more facilities, all that rubbish has shown to be useless so to me there are two choices:

1) as has been suggested before, increased sentences for each conviction with no do one get one free bs.

2) has anyone considered a purge?

also, with the greatest respect to other posters i am afraid you cannot claim this as a dublin problem, this scum exists in every town and village in the country.

AllForIt

Fabian Bald Sifter wrote: »

What kind of a stupid post is that?

Cyclist get a punch in the face by some scumbag and from that you hate cyclists? How did you manage to turn this into an anti cyclist thread? Wtf are you talking about?

There really should be a thumbs down option on posts, I didn't want to comment on that remark your quoted myself.

Meanwhile, the Children’s Court has heard how a boy, who cannot be named because he is a minor, was aged 14 when he was involved in a string of vicious robberies and a street assault.

He was already a convicted burglar.

As far as the case is concerned the quote above from the Indo article is one of the problems. Why on earth can he not be named when he is capable of murder? His face should be plastered over every newspaper and all shops etc in his community should be warned about him directly by the Gardai.

In recent weeks I recall reading a story in the press about the Government allowing ppl to find out if registered sex offenders are living in their area. Why just sex offenders? My point is someone said earlier that nothing can be done. I don't believe this at all. Lots can be done but afaics absolutely nothing is being done - noting even being considered. I have lots of other ideas myself and I'm just causally thinking about it. It seems to me particularly that where the knacker community in Dublin in concerned and juvenile crime is concerned no Government wants to touch it with a bargepole.

hatrickpatrick

Fabian Bald Sifter wrote: »

What kind of a stupid post is that?

Cyclist get a punch in the face by some scumbag and from that you hate cyclists? How did you manage to turn this into an anti cyclist thread? Wtf are you talking about?

It's just a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" sort of dilemma. I despise Dublin scumbags with a fiery passion, but at the same time if they're doing the Lord's work by engaging in anti-cyclist vigilantism, they have to earn some brownie points, dammit.

Here's a nice idea for a compromise: We pay them to take their rope and use it at traffic-lighted junctions in the city - but they're only allowed to deploy it during moments of the lights actually being red. They get a slap from a baton-wielding robocop type yoke any time they use it inappropriately, but they get a fiver any time they successfully decapitate a light-breaking menace to humanity. Everyone wins.

In other news: Welcome to AH, we hope you enjoy your stay :pac:

One eyed Jack

Uriel. wrote: »

Turn children's allowance into a tax credit,

Tax credits for children already exist.

recoup court and policing costs for these renegade children from allowances.

It would cost more to attempt to recoup the cost of child benefit than it does to pay it, and even then the amount recouped wouldn't even come close to covering the cost of court appearances and policing.

discourage these kind of people from kids in the first place.
with free abortions on the way this should be a no brainer.

It's a no-brainer of an idea alright. No thought put into it whatsoever. It may have been some people's intent to introduce abortion to deal with undesirables that way, but reality had other ideas if we look at the US and the UK. Their juvenile crime statistics are even worse than ours!

how the **** is that child still in the "care" of the mother I don't know.

See point two above. It would simply cost more to incarcerate children than it would to allow them to remain with their parents. We've already tried incarceration of the undesirables in Irish society, and now we look back at that time in our recent past and condemn those people who incarcerated the undesirables in Irish society at the time.

One would hope the next generation would have learned from the experiences of generations that went before them, but apparently not.