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Henry Cavill forced to apologize for #metoo comments

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  • #802
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    It's you who is ignoring what's been said.

    Ok. I'm convinced you don't actually read the posts submitted.


  • #803
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It does when there is no effort made to separate the rapists/scumbags from the gender. The vast majority of articles/observations arising from the metoo campaign refer to the male gender as a whole. They're not trying to make any real distinction about the behavior of individuals, and instead, it's about aspects like "toxic masculinity" or a "rape culture" where the whole male gender is made responsible. It's the same with "consent classes" where calls are being made to bring them in for boys... regardless of the fact that most males do not force/break consent. The actions of the few are being attributed to the whole, and 'we' are being made responsible for that.

    And the metoo campaign doesn't seek to establish a framework regarding the types of claims, where and when they happened, or frequency. If someone experienced something 50 years ago, it's being added to the claims about recent events. There is no effort being made to distinguish between the circumstances of the claims, and so everything is inflated.

    It's really not that difficult to see it as an attack on our gender, since there is a lack of similar initiatives or declarations about "female" violence. In that case, the amount of female violence is low, but if we were to apply the same logic being used about male violence, it wouldn't matter. We should still be seeing claims about "toxic femininity", or consent classes for women. There is a ton of double standards being applied... and the use of logic is very selective.

    The majority of rapists are male, the huge majority. This is a fact and can't be disputed. That might be where you're getting confused. Toxic masculinity is talking about these rapists and scumbags at that level. They are toxic.

    That's who you should be getting angry at. There would be no talk of consent classes etc without these toxic males. We stamp out them and then we stamp out all the stuff you're complaining about.

    It really is that simple. If the overwhelming majority of rapists were female then we'd be talking about these toxic females. It's not.


  • #804
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    professore wrote: »
    Nope not confused at all. The agenda is very clear.

    Yes it's very clear. It's an attack on rapists and other scumbags. If you don't participate in the type of behaviour these toxic males participate in, then you have nothing to worry about.


  • #805
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Good God. The logic...


  • #806
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ok. I'm convinced you don't actually read the posts submitted.

    Look in the mirror.


  • #807
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Good God. The logic...

    I don't know why you're getting offended! I can't make it clearer, the metoo movement is not an attack on all males, it's an attack on males who rape, harass and abuse women.


  • #808
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    Look in the mirror.

    This has gone beyond childish, and tedious. You are incapable of addressing individual points or supporting your "beliefs" (admittedly after all these pages I'm still not clear if you actually believe the sexist rubbish you're posting)

    Still. I am finally done. Second time is a charm.


  • #809
    Cleopatra_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Cleopatra_


    I think it's ridiculous that Henry Cavill felt the need to apologise in this instance, he didn't say anything remotely offensive.

    I used to roll my eyes about some of the #metoo stuff until I went on a night out a few months ago and I was raped. In the aftermath I wasn't sure how to feel about what happened and had many people on this site tell me that I had "buyer's remorse" or the equivalent. It opened my eyes a lot.


  • #810
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This has gone beyond childish, and tedious. You are incapable of addressing individual points or supporting your "beliefs" (admittedly after all these pages I'm still not clear if you actually believe the sexist rubbish you're posting)

    Still. I am finally done. Second time is a charm.

    This is just crazy! I have not said one thing that can be considered as sexist. At this stage I think the male posters on here will get offended at everything.


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  • #811
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Cleopatra_ wrote: »
    I think it's ridiculous that Henry Cavill felt the need to apologise in this instance, he didn't say anything remotely offensive.

    I used to roll my eyes about some of the #metoo stuff until I went on a night out a few months ago and I was raped. In the aftermath I wasn't sure how to feel about what happened and had many people on this site tell me that I had "buyer's remorse" or the equivalent. It opened my eyes a lot.

    I'm really sorry to hear that. I hope you are recovering well and have all the support you need. It's a horrible thing to go through.
    I'd consider deleting that post though, it's quite likely you'll have posts directed at you that will be unkind. I hope not but going by posts here it's quite likely.
    Look after yourself and I wish you the best.


  • #812
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    The majority of rapists are male, the huge majority. This is a fact and can't be disputed.

    Not only is it a fact, it's an automatic given in this jurisdiction. No woman in this country has ever been convicted of rape because they're not capable of it according to the law, as far as I know. Now tell me that's not sexist.


  • #813
    7aubzxk43m2sni
    Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭7aubzxk43m2sni


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    I'm really sorry to hear that. I hope you are recovering well and have all the support you need. It's a horrible thing to go through.
    I'd consider deleting that post though, it's quite likely you'll have posts directed at you that will be unkind. I hope not but going by posts here it's quite likely.
    Look after yourself and I wish you the best.

    Trolling everyone is one thing but faking empathy is pretty pathetic.


  • #814
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Alessia Spicy Simpleton wrote: »
    Trolling everyone is one thing but faking empathy is pretty pathetic.

    What is wrong with you? Do you not have any sympathy for rape victims at all?


  • #815
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    This is just crazy! I have not said one thing that can be considered as sexist.

    Followed by....
    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    At this stage I think the male posters on here will get offended at everything.

    This sh*t is bananas... B-A-N-A-N-A-S! Just absolutely startling and mind-boggling! Very worrying if it's real and not a troll game.


  • #816
    7aubzxk43m2sni
    Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭7aubzxk43m2sni


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    What is wrong with you? Do you not have any sympathy for rape victims at all?

    If you had even the slightest respect for rape victims you wouldn't use their experiences to make petty insults and troll people.


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  • #817
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Alessia Spicy Simpleton wrote: »
    If you had even the slightest respect for rape victims you wouldn't use their experiences to make petty insults and troll people.

    Am, I think you'll find it is you who's making petty insults! I notice you haven't said anything to Cleopatra. Why is that?
    I wished her well and am just warning her to be careful.


  • #818
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Alessia Spicy Simpleton wrote: »
    If you had even the slightest respect for rape victims you wouldn't use their experiences to make petty insults and troll people.

    It was a scummy post. Suggesting people on here would rise up and have a go. Those toxic men! Absolutely lower than a snakes belly. I wonder if the poster Cleopatra hadn't included her story and only said the part about Henry not needing to apologise, would the outlook be different. I'm betting it would. You'd be against the agenda then of course.

    Cleopatra, I hope you can see that people here questioning some of the #MeToo types is not a slight against actual victims.


  • #819
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    Yes it's very clear. It's an attack on rapists and other scumbags. If you don't participate in the type of behaviour these toxic males participate in, then you have nothing to worry about.

    Let's rewrite this from my example shall we?

    Yes it's very clear. It's an attack on criminals and other scumbags. If you don't participate in the type of behaviour these toxic black people participate in, then you have nothing to worry about.


  • #820
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    professore wrote: »
    Let's rewrite this from my example shall we?

    Yes it's very clear. It's an attack on criminals and other scumbags. If you don't participate in the type of behaviour these toxic black people participate in, then you have nothing to worry about.

    What is this? Are you trying to say that crime is committed by black people in 90+% of cases? This is mental stuff.


  • #821
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,648 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Mod: DONTMATTER, don't post in this thread again


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  • #822
    py2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    I'm really sorry to hear that. I hope you are recovering well and have all the support you need. It's a horrible thing to go through.
    I'd consider deleting that post though, it's quite likely you'll have posts directed at you that will be unkind. I hope not but going by posts here it's quite likely.
    Look after yourself and I wish you the best.

    I was about to like your post after reading the first line.

    What you said next is absolutely disgusting and appalling misrepresentation of the posters here. Shame on you.


  • #823
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    As long as he behaves appropriately he’ll be fine.

    If only it were that simple. This may come as a shock to some people but women can and do lie. They can and do make mistakes. They can and do twist regret in something it isn’t.

    As a woman I don’t like where metoo has taken us.


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