Henry Cavill forced to apologize for #metoo comments

LLMMLL

py2006 wrote: »

And what kind of response would a man get?

The touching and grabbing happened in my teens and early twenties in night clubs which I hardly frequented compared to others.

The workplace comments were just banter and at worse I was embarrassed. But you don't see men huddling together all offended collectively and starting social media movements against women. The only reason that it annoys me somewhat is because certain posters on here remind me of the ENORMOUS double standard in society.

This makes no sense at all.

I assume you are taking the party line that harassers of women are a minority of men.

I’m sure you would agree then that the harassers of men are a minority of women. (BTW you’re active enough in the LON thread to have seen that study that shows men harass far more than women and when a man is harassed it’s usually by another man but let’s leave that aside for the moment).

So any woman who is harassed is unlikely to be a harasser herself.

Yet she is not supposed to complain about this harassment because men don’t complain about theirs? What kind of twisted logic is that?

It might be a double standard if she was a harassed herself but by your standards ( assuming you agree that Male harassers are a tiny minority) that’s unlikely.

LLMMLL

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

And? I'm not seeing any quotes from the man where he says it was alright before.

His comments were quite clearly and succinctly about FLIRTING. Disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

Not at all. He raised it. He talks about liking the “chase”. It’s beyond simple flirting.

DONTMATTER

py2006 wrote: »

What in the hell??

Do you not see what I was doing? You thought you were making a reasonable post and you get a hysterical reaction, it's exactly what I have had to put up with on this thread.

DavidLyons_

LLMMLL wrote: »

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

And? I'm not seeing any quotes from the man where he says it was alright before.

His comments were quite clearly and succinctly about FLIRTING. Disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

Not at all. He raised it. He talks about liking the “chase”. It’s beyond simple flirting.

Nope. The episode is a great example of the negative impact of a movement such as #metoo. Thankfully it's days are mercifully numbered as the loonier elements reveal yourse.... themselves.

LLMMLL

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Nope. The episode is a great example of the negative impact of a movement such as #metoo. Thankfully it's days are mercifully numbers as the loonier elements reveal yourse.... themselves.

*slow clap*

py2006

I'm suddenly reminded why I don't respond to certain posters.

DONTMATTER

py2006 wrote: »

I'm suddenly reminded why I don't respond to certain posters.

The realisation has hit you like a ton of bricks.

Galwayguy35

LLMMLL wrote: »

“Now? Now you really can’t pursue someone further than, ‘No’.

He could have phrased what he was trying to say a bit better but that's all he is guilty of, there's nothing to suggest that HC has done anything wrong so I don't agree with this witchhunt that has taken place against him.

Omackeral

DONTMATTER wrote: »

As I said, too many men are treating women as pieces of meat, that needs to change.

Too many fcuknuggets (online, mostly and thanfully) are treating women as perpetual victims. If harassment is going on, report it, confront it. Most people don't agree with harassment. Not all women are poor little delicate flowers either. Many are quite capable of telling annoying sh*theads to p*ss right off.

Omackeral

Omackeral wrote: »

Too many fcuknuggets (online, mostly and thanfully) are treating women as perpetual victims. If harassment is going on, report it, confront it. Most people don't agree with harassment. Not all women are poor little delicate flowers either. Many are quite capable of telling annoying sh*theads to p*ss right off.

Sure, then they get stalked or killed
I think theres hysteria on both sides here tbh.
I also think and have said before that i have no time for disingenuous nonsense about "oh i dont know about flirting anymore". They know full well. And if they genuinely don't then yes, do stay away from "flirting".

Omackeral

My gripe with this type of issue is that it generalises massively and deals in absolutes. ''Young men need to...'' I'm sorry but why are young men being put in this accusatory spot? Why not just have co-ed consent classes for both genders if that's what the MO is? That way, everyone is singing off the same hymn sheet with the same education.

Omackeral

bluewolf wrote: »

Sure, then they get stalked or killed
I think theres hysteria on both sides here tbh.

Indeed!

Omackeral

Omackeral wrote: »

My gripe with this type of issue is that it generalises massively and deals in absolutes. ''Young men need to...'' I'm sorry but why are young men being put in this accusatory spot? Why not just have co-ed consent classes for both genders if that's what the MO is? That way, everyone is singing off the same hymn sheet with the same education.

Yeah i agree on this

Calhoun

bluewolf wrote: »

Sure, then they get stalked or killed
I think theres hysteria on both sides here tbh.
I also think and have said before that i have no time for disingenuous nonsense about "oh i dont know about flirting anymore". They know full well. And if they genuinely don't then yes, do stay away from "flirting".

Then you have the otherside where men are perpetual rapists and stalkers ect, and would nearly go as far as having forced re-education classes.

I have equally no time for people who don't see how trial by twitter/reddit ect can be abused.

Look at the Rosemary McCabe crap last year, where she tried to redefine what rape was. It was a form of metoo and you had people trying to figure out who the guy she mentioned was even though she didnt actually say who it was.

py2006

What maintains my sanity (the little I've left) is the realisation that the loonies are online.

I'm also thankful I'm not wealthy and famous...


*orders another pint

DONTMATTER

Omackeral wrote: »

Too many fcuknuggets (online, mostly and thanfully) are treating women as perpetual victims. If harassment is going on, report it, confront it. Most people don't agree with harassment. Not all women are poor little delicate flowers either. Many are quite capable of telling annoying sh*theads to p*ss right off.

That's great advice, let's hope they put you in charge of counselling rape victims. Just tell them to piss right off.

DONTMATTER

Omackeral wrote: »

My gripe with this type of issue is that it generalises massively and deals in absolutes. ''Young men need to...'' I'm sorry but why are young men being put in this accusatory spot? Why not just have co-ed consent classes for both genders if that's what the MO is? That way, everyone is singing off the same hymn sheet with the same education.

That's what people have been saying. Why don't men jump on board and support this instead of taking offence?

givyjoe

DONTMATTER wrote: »

That's great advice, let's hope they put you in charge of counselling rape victims. Just tell them to piss right off.

Because that's exactly what he's suggesting.. I mean wtf.

DONTMATTER

py2006 wrote: »

What maintains my sanity (the little I've left) is the realisation that the loonies are online.

I'm also thankful I'm not wealthy and famous...


*orders another pint

The worrying thing for women is that the rapists and sexual deviants aren't just restricted to online activity.

DONTMATTER

givyjoe wrote: »

Because that's exactly what he's suggesting.. I mean wtf.

Stop treating women as weak little victims, they have to stand up to rapists and tell them to piss off.

DONTMATTER

It's not just rape. A lot of men appear to think it's ok to grope women. Look at how many metoo stories about that. It seems to be something that's accepted, this needs to change.

The Bishop Basher

DONTMATTER wrote: »

It's not just rape. A lot of men appear to think it's ok to grope women. Look at how many metoo stories about that. It seems to be something that's accepted, this needs to change.

What if it’s just a quick pinch of an arse or something innocent like that ?

Omackeral

DONTMATTER wrote: »

That's great advice, let's hope they put you in charge of counselling rape victims. Just tell them to piss right off.

Yes, because that's what the quote was referring to. Absolute lunacy from you yet again. You are coming across as an actual parody. That's why nobody is taking you seriously. You're constantly on at people here to speak with their sisters, mothers, friends etc and see how they get on. I've seen my sister and friends taking these meatheads down (don't really go on the sesh with my mam!). Plenty of the women I know are well capable of telling bozos to hit the road. They're not little flowers. Funnily enough, if they feel threatened it's usually other men who they'll seek help from ie guys in their party or door staff. But yeah, men=scum women=victims.

givyjoe

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Stop treating women as weak little victims, they have to stand up to rapists and tell them to piss off.

Fairly certain he wasn't referring to rapists with that particular comment.. does that really need to be highlighted to you?

Omackeral

py2006 wrote: »

What maintains my sanity (the little I've left) is the realisation that the loonies are online.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

That's great advice, let's hope they put you in charge of counselling rape victims. Just tell them to piss right off.

Case in point.

Pug160

My thoughts on certain aspects of this have remained pretty much the same for a while now. My belief is that there is a significant minority of men who persue women in an overly aggressive way, and within this group there are all sorts of variations, the most extreme being flat out rapists. But there are layers upon layers of intangibles and different scenarios. It pretty much goes without saying that sexual harrasment or assault is a very serious issue, but it can only be discussed on a case by case basis.

I know some people don't like hearing this, and may think it's an attempt at downplaying the issue, but certain men do get away with a lot more than others. I have seen this with friends who are on different ends of the attractiveness scale. Man A does something very assertive and gets the woman, while Man B damn near gets the police called on him.

Pac1Man

Omackeral wrote: »

don't really go on the sesh with my mam!

She tells them to fuk right off too.

Omackeral

Omackeral wrote: »

My gripe with this type of issue is that it generalises massively and deals in absolutes. ''Young men need to...'' I'm sorry but why are young men being put in this accusatory spot? Why not just have co-ed consent classes for both genders if that's what the MO is? That way, everyone is singing off the same hymn sheet with the same education.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

That's what people have been saying. Why don't men jump on board and support this instead of taking offence?

Quite the contrary and the irony is startling. I, a man, have said let's get everyone to do this hypothetical class. You, I assume a woman, have the phrase ''most men'' in nearly all your vitriolic posts. You seek to demonise, to pigeonhole. You probably think of yourself as a feminist or equalitarian but you're quite the opposite from I've seen of you on this thread. It's the likes of you that actively turn people away from anyone identifying themselves as a femisnist in modern times.

LLMMLL

Yeah that’s fine. Of course it depends on what his approach is like and if he backs off fairly quickly if the woman is not receptive.

Omackeral

DONTMATTER wrote: »

The worrying thing for women is that the rapists and sexual deviants aren't just restricted to online activity.

You don't get to speak for all women but your posting style certainly seems to suggest you think you do. How narcissistic of you.

Calhoun

Omackeral wrote: »

Yes, because that's what the quote was referring to. Absolute lunacy from you yet again. You are coming across as an actual parody. That's why nobody is taking you seriously. You're constantly on at people here to speak with their sisters, mothers, friends etc and see how they get on. I've seen my sister and friends taking these meatheads down (don't really go on the sesh with my mam!). Plenty of the women I know are well capable of telling bozos to hit the road. They're not little flowers. Funnily enough, if they feel threatened it's usually other men who they'll seek help from ie guys in their party or door staff. But yeah, men=scum women=victims.

I also find it funny that in the cases of some of the higher profile males that were responsible for allot of the transgressions around the metoo time was that they clothed themselves in public as white nights/being very progressive.

martingriff

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Why didn't you report it to the police? You're only someone on the internet, why should we believe you? Go to court to prove your story.

Could we not say that about the #metoo who only post on the internet and don't go to the police and prove there story

DONTMATTER

Omackeral wrote: »

Yes, because that's what the quote was referring to. Absolute lunacy from you yet again. You are coming across as an actual parody. That's why nobody is taking you seriously. You're constantly on at people here to speak with their sisters, mothers, friends etc and see how they get on. I've seen my sister and friends taking these meatheads down (don't really go on the sesh with my mam!). Plenty of the women I know are well capable of telling bozos to hit the road. They're not little flowers. Funnily enough, if they feel threatened it's usually other men who they'll seek help from ie guys in their party or door staff. But yeah, men=scum women=victims.

You're the absolute parody! It's rapists = scum. Stop getting offended on their behalf!
If only you were in charge, rape figures would drop overnight. Just stand up to the meatheads girls, tell them to piss off.

Omackeral

givyjoe wrote: »

Fairly certain he wasn't referring to rapists with that particular comment.. does that really need to be highlighted to you?

Honestly wondering if DONTMATTER differentiates.

DONTMATTER

givyjoe wrote: »

Fairly certain he wasn't referring to rapists with that particular comment.. does that really need to be highlighted to you?

It's the same scenario with gropers for example.

LLMMLL

Right well in my experience it’s a lot more than 1% who keep going.

DONTMATTER

Omackeral wrote: »

Case in point.

Well that's your advice. How about we get these men to behave themselves instead of women having to tell them to piss off?

Danzy

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I don’t know if this has been talked about already here but I’ve only just. come across it and am interested in my fellow boardsies think.

Actor Henry Cavill has been forced to apologize for comments related to the MeToo movement. I’m writing this on my phone so can’t link anything just now bit basically he said he’s afraid to approach women for fear of being accused of something he didn’t do which didn’t go down well with feminazi brigade and metooers.

Personally I think he’s got a point and I don’t like the way the metoo movement is determined to deny men their voices and twist everything they say.

I think he has perfectly legitimate concerns and he’s likely not the only one. Metoo was a good thing in the beginning but now it’s a witch hunt and I can understand completely the fears men have as a result.

Afterhours thoughts?

He was perfectly correct and he now has learned that to even talk about it is enough to get one in trouble.

The new puritanical priests are

Omackeral

LLMMLL wrote: »

Yeah that’s fine. Of course it depends on what his approach is like and if he backs off fairly quickly if the woman is not receptive.

100% agree. Doesn't really get any more straight forward than this in fact.

Pug160

Pug160 wrote: »

I know some people don't like hearing this, and may think it's an attempt at downplaying the issue, but certain men do get away with a lot more than others.

As do women. I've seen women who go out, flirt with men she doesn't know, touching them, being provocative, and then laughing with her friends as she turns him down. We've all seen women acting out either in overly aggressive manners, or playing friends against each other as they try to "win" her attention. Just as we've seen women who physically assault men based on the assumption that a man won't hit her back.

In the case of women doing these things, it's assumed (and accepted) that it's a minority. When men act out in a negative manner, we men say it's a minority, but we're told it's not. There is a crapton of double standards in our society regarding how the two (main) genders behave socially.

I know that this wasn't what you were suggesting, but reading your post got me thinking of it.

DONTMATTER

Omackeral wrote: »

Quite the contrary and the irony is startling. I, a man, have said let's get everyone to do this hypothetical class. You, I assume a woman, have the phrase ''most men'' in nearly all your vitriolic posts. You seek to demonise, to pigeonhole. You probably think of yourself as a feminist or equalitarian but you're quite the opposite from I've seen of you on this thread. It's the likes of you that actively turn people away from anyone identifying themselves as a femisnist in modern times.

What are you on about? I haven't said most men! Maybe you're getting confused with saying most rapists are men, this is fact. I've said time after time that men should be getting on board the metoo movement instead of getting offended on behalf of scumbags.

DONTMATTER

Omackeral wrote: »

You don't get to speak for all women but your posting style certainly seems to suggest you think you do. How narcissistic of you.

No, let's leave that to the expert. Piss right off will solve everything!

DONTMATTER

martingriff wrote: »

Could we not say that about the #metoo who only post on the internet and don't go to the police and prove there story

Whooossssshhhhhhhh!

DONTMATTER

DONTMATTER wrote: »

What are you on about? I haven't said most men! Maybe you're getting confused with saying most rapists are men, this is fact. I've said time after time that men should be getting on board the metoo movement instead of getting offended on behalf of scumbags.

It is a fact that most men are rapists? Or it is a fact that certain feminists claim most men are rapists?

Which is it? Are you saying most men are rapists? I'm confused.

Omackeral

DONTMATTER wrote: »

You're the absolute parody! It's rapists = scum. Stop getting offended on their behalf!
If only you were in charge, rape figures would drop overnight. Just stand up to the meatheads girls, tell them to piss off.

Ah, the ''NO, YOU ARE!'' response. Excellent. Good work. Well done.

Listen, everyone fcuking abhors rapists. Everyone. That's why the scumbags are seen as the lowest of the low. Even in the criminal world. They're worse than rats and murderers in prison. That's why they need their own individual jails. You're barking up the wrong tree if you think I'm getting offended on behalf of sex offenders. I really think you know you're losing a debate though and making a show of yourself so you're just resorting to low and shocking tactics. Sad.

givyjoe

Omackeral wrote: »

Honestly wondering if DONTMATTER differentiates.

See the post after yours.. obviously not.

Mister Vain

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Just stand up to the meatheads girls.

py2006

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As do women. I've seen women who go out, flirt with men she doesn't know, touching them, being provocative, and then laughing with her friends as she turns him down. We've all seen women acting out either in overly aggressive manners, or playing friends against each other as they try to "win" her attention. Just as we've seen women who physically assault men based on the assumption that a man won't hit her back.

In the case of women doing these things, it's assumed (and accepted) that it's a minority. When men act out in a negative manner, we men say it's a minority, but we're told it's not. There is a crapton of double standards in our society regarding how the two (main) genders behave socially.

I know that this wasn't what you were suggesting, but reading your post got me thinking of it.

+1

givyjoe

LLMMLL wrote: »

Right well in my experience it’s a lot more than 1% who keep going.

A lot more than 1% of who.. all men?!

DONTMATTER

Deleted User wrote: »

As do women. I've seen women who go out, flirt with men she doesn't know, touching them, being provocative, and then laughing with her friends as she turns him down. We've all seen women acting out either in overly aggressive manners, or playing friends against each other as they try to "win" her attention. Just as we've seen women who physically assault men based on the assumption that a man won't hit her back.

In the case of women doing these things, it's assumed (and accepted) that it's a minority. When men act out in a negative manner, we men say it's a minority, but we're told it's not. There is a crapton of double standards in our society regarding how the two (main) genders behave socially.

I know that this wasn't what you were suggesting, but reading your post got me thinking of it.

There's a difference between most men are rapists and most rapists are men. Learn it.