What could Ireland do to emulate Croatia's success

Mars Bar

Deise Vu wrote: »

If you could get 9 year olds to train 5 times a week then play a match and you could get coaches willing to give up that much time we wouldn't need anyone's DNA. That bit was a tad shocking for me. You might get some mad GAA lads willing to do that for the parish but soccer doesn't attract that kind of fanatical dedication.

You wouldn't have coaches "willing to give up their time". They should be getting paid for their work and have the relevant experience and qualifications. Probably in an environment where they have decent facilities and some full time staff.

We'll keep losing our decent coaches to other countries as long as the only job you can get in a full time manner is as a development officer with the FAI.

inforfun

That 5x a week thing cant be a standard for all of Croatia but probably only at a few top clubs.

Ah ..that is easy... i can just copy paste from Feyenoord.nl

Feyenoord Academy is the leading youth development programme in the Netherlands. Feyenoord Academy offers a tailor-made daily elite sport training and education programme based at the Varkenoord training complex a few steps from De Kuip. It’s an optimal setting for talented youngsters to develop their potential as they work towards realising their ultimate dream of signing a professional contract and breaking into the Feyenoord first team.

So yeah, they spend all day al the club mon-friday. Have school and football training.
That is how you get them to train 5x a week.

blinding

inforfun wrote: »

That 5x a week thing cant be a standard for all of Croatia but probably only at a few top clubs.

Ah ..that is easy... i can just copy paste from Feyenoord.nl



So yeah, they spend all day al the club mon-friday. Have school and football training.
That is how you get them to train 5x a week.

It’ll take Delay-laney a long time to get that sort of thing up and running not a mind paying for it .

Deise Vu

Mars Bar wrote: »

You wouldn't have coaches "willing to give up their time". They should be getting paid for their work and have the relevant experience and qualifications. Probably in an environment where they have decent facilities and some full time staff.

We'll keep losing our decent coaches to other countries as long as the only job you can get in a full time manner is as a development officer with the FAI.

How many coaches could we afford and at what standard would they be operating if they are spread thin? I don't know how familiar you are with schoolboy soccer but if you are suggesting we pick 20 or so 9 year olds for elite training I can absolutely guarantee you that 10 of them will turn out out to be duds by the time they are 15 and that 16 or 17 of the best 15 year olds will have been totally overlooked at 9.

Mars Bar

The only players getting that opportunity here are those on the etb course (post secondary) and the course here in Galway that combines the leaving cert and playing. Much too late at that point (although the etb course is the best thing that ever happened to me and a reason I'm a full time coach now).

Mars Bar

Deise Vu wrote: »

How many coaches could we afford and at what standard would they be operating if they are spread thin? I don't know how familiar you are with schoolboy soccer but if you are suggesting we pick 20 or so 9 year olds for elite training I can absolutely guarantee you that 10 of them will turn out out to be duds by the time they are 15 and that 16 or 17 of the best 15 year olds will have been totally overlooked at 9.

Oh I haven't a clue!

We are doing it already on a tiny, tiny scale with the national leagues and development centres going right down to u10.

inforfun

blinding wrote: »

It’ll take Delay-laney a long time to get that sort of thing up and running not a mind paying for it .

It is not the Dutch FA paying for all that.
Feyenoord invested all their CL money of last year in redeveloping the youth academy and had a completely new built training complex built for the first team.

Youth academy:



1st team:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq_6-EdhS1I

Now of course not every Dutch club has facilities like that but PSV, Ajax, AZ, Utrecht, Heerenveen and quite a few more do.

Of course the Dutch FA is showing off when new Dutch talents are breaking through but they are almost as inadequate as the Irish FA.
The recently appointed head coach of the U21's is the ultimate proof of that. The guy was literally chased away by the supporters of his last club Willem II because they couldnt stand the horrible defensive tactics he had them play any longer

blinding

inforfun wrote: »

It is not the Dutch FA paying for all that.
Feyenoord invested all their CL money of last year in redeveloping the youth academy and had a completely new built training complex built for the first team.

Youth academy:



1st team:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq_6-EdhS1I

Now of course not every Dutch club has facilities like that but PSV, Ajax, AZ, Utrecht, Heerenveen and quite a few more do.

Of course the Dutch FA is showing off when new Dutch talents are breaking through but they are almost as inadequate as the Irish FA.
The recently appointed head coach of the U21's is the ultimate proof of that. The guy was literally chased away by the supporters of his last club Willem II because they couldnt stand the horrible defensive tactics he had them play any longer

Whatever happened to Dutch Total football or even Dutch Attacking football . You’d think that after the 2010 Tripe ( even though they got to the final ) they would have gone back to what they are good at . They are not a great example if their system for the last while . Something has gone wrong with their national team for the last while . Are they being overreached especially towards defensive football to the detriment of attacking and individual talent . Something wrong there somewhere .

inforfun

blinding wrote: »

Whatever happened to Dutch Total football or even Dutch Attacking football . You’d think that after the 2010 Tripe ( even though they got to the final ) they would have gone back to what they are good at . They are not a great example if their system for the last while . Something has gone wrong with their national team for the last while . Are they being overreached especially towards defensive football to the detriment of attacking and individual talent . Something wrong there somewhere .

You cant stick to tactics if you dont have the players for it anymore.

What the Dutch did in South-Africa has been overshadowed by that 1 action of De Jong.
They did play some good football leading up to the final.
No one talks about what Melo did to Sneijder, everybody know what De Jong did though.


Van Gaal copied Koemans work at Feyenoord in 2014 with that 5-3-2 formation because he wanted a result in Brazil. And he got it. But the football was more negative than under Van Marwijk in 2010.
But 2010 had De Jong and 2014 had that 5-1 and THAT Van Persie goal.


And then came Danny Blind.
Which of course was a Dutch FA appointment.

Nowadays there is a lack of attacking talent. The van Persies and Robbens arent there at the moment. Can happen. Before they won the Euro's in 88 they missed out on qualifying for 3 tournaments (82,84,86) and were horrible in 1980 euros.

But there will be better times again. Enough very young talent(16 to 19 year olds) at the moment at Ajax, AZ, PSV and Feyenoord. And we have to hope that the ones that were robbed by foreign clubs will not be ruined like the likes of Bruma, Rekik, Barazite to name just a few, were.