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Awkward cross-country high-end (ish) Build. Advice welcomed.
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18-07-2018 11:57amHi,
Bit of an Awkward one:
UK Upgrade
I Live in the UK and I just upgraded my old PC.
Got a Acer 34" 1440p Ultrawide, i7 3770, 8GB of RAM and SSD all second hand for £555. Happy, but FPS took a huge hit due to resolution increase.
Only Question about this upgrade: I am removing a i5 3570K (never overclocked, going to sell) can I use the i5's stock cooler for the i7?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel - Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (Purchased For £76.00)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (Purchased For £0.00)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (Purchased For £34.51)
Storage: Samsung - 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For £85.00)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card
Case: Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For £50.00)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full 32/64-bit (Purchased For £0.00)
Monitor: LG - 24GM77 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor
Monitor: Acer - Predator XR341CK 34.0" 3440x1440 75Hz Monitor (Purchased For £310.00)
Mouse: Razer - DeathAdder Wired Laser Mouse
Headphones: SteelSeries - Siberia 350 (Black/Orange) 7.1 Channel Headset (Purchased For £0.00)
Total: £555.51
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-18 11:17 BST+0100
New Build
However, I want to split my time between the UK and Belgium where my wife lives. So I am building a PC in her place that can handle work stuff (Scientist).
I bought the following in the UK Prime day sales:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (Purchased For £140.20)
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 275R (White w/Tempered Glass) ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For £63.00)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For £64.28)
Mouse: Logitech - MX Master Bluetooth Wireless Laser Mouse (Purchased For £39.00)
Other: AmazonBasics High-Speed HDMI Cable - 10 Feet (Latest Standard) (Purchased For £5.15)
Other: Vitalitim 2.4Ghz Full-size Ergonomic Wireless Keyboard for Desktop PC Lunix Windows Mac IOS Google Android TV - UK Layout (Purchased For £19.99)
Other: Corsair MM100 Mouse Pad - Black (Purchased For £6.00)
Other: Power Strips with USB ports 3 Way Outlets 6 USB Ports Surge Protection Power Strip Universal Power Socket with 2M Bold Extension cord Smart USB charger Power (EU Plug, Black-Grey) (Purchased For £15.80)
Total: £353.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-18 11:21 BST+0100
Obviously this doesn't contain any of the parts that make a computer a computer so I now need to decide on CPU/Motherboard/RAM.
1. What is your budget? [€700, for remaining parts]
2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? [Office, Scientific analysis with large datasets, programming in R, Bioinformatics, gaming down the line. Might need to do a linux dual boot)]
3. Do you need a copy of Windows? [Yes, cheapest possible way to get it]
4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? [Yes see the parts I have already bought above.]
5. Do you need a monitor? [No we have a 40 " 4K Samsung TV, I'll use that for the time being]
5a. If yes, what size do you need. []
6. Do you need any of these peripherals? [should have everything]
7. Are you willing to try overclocking? [Yes, but cautious]
8. How can you pay? [Bank Transfer/Credit Card/Laser or Paypal]
9. When are you purchasing? [In the next month, from Belgium/Dutch sites]
10. If you need help building it, where are you based? [Nope, should be fine]
My Intel Option:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (€317.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€173.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€204.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Total: €696.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-18 12:38 CEST+0200
My Ryzen option
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor (€307.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard (€161.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (€195.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Total: €665.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-18 12:43 CEST+0200
Motherboard needs bluetooth, wifi and RAM slots up to 64 GB (if datasets keep getting larger). Bioinformatics technically prefers buffered RAM but I can do without.
Any Advice would be appreciated. Basically I know a bit about components but when it comes down to fans, motherboard extras, power consumption, RAM speed/timings for Ryzen, GPU vs internal graphics, AMD vs Intel, I'm out of my depth.
Cheers
Conor0
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Yes the same cooler is fine, but why not just give your wife your old PC and get yourself the newer Ryzen or i5/i7?
i7-3770 is still a fairly good processor, but obviously a Ryzen 2700 or i5-8600/i7-8700 are a lot better.
FPS dips are to be expected at that resolution with the 780Ti. A great card in its day, still a reasonably good card, but really you'd want a GTX1070 at a minimum for that resolution to enjoy games at high settings @ stable 75fps.0 -
TerrorFirmer
Cheers for the reply
Gaming is going to take a back seat for a while, dang. but I may try and get a second hand 1070 when the new 11 series come out, was looking at 980tis but just not enough of a jump imo
I have lots of access to good computing in the university here, new Mac as primary device/access to proper linux workstations/super computing if i needed it but my idea is to be able to do as much as I can in Belgium so I can actually spend some time with my wife. Plus this maybe my last chance to max out a build before I have to dedicate everything to being an adult.0 -
980 Ti would be a 30-50% uplift in performance, especially at higher resolutions or in newer games
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/1964-nvidia-gtx-980-ti-benchmark-vs-780ti-980-titanx-290x/Page-2Only Question about this upgrade: I am removing a i5 3570K (never overclocked, going to sell) can I use the i5's stock cooler for the i7?Bioinformatics technically prefers buffered RAM but I can do without.
https://ark.intel.com/Search/FeatureFilter?productType=processors&ECCMemory=true&CoreCountMin=6&ClockSpeedMhzMin=3200&IntegratedGraphics=true
If you want a 6c/12t CPU with ECC this could be it.
Also be aware that Ryzen CPUs need a discrete graphics card so that can push up cost of build.0 -
Yeah I think its time to try and sell my 780 ti while it is still worth something. I'd be happy with a 2nd hand 980 ti or 1070.
On another note for anyone watching this thread.
Has anyone ever travelled with PC components as carry on on a flight? In particular, I want to wrap up a motherboard/RAM/CPU with fan and travel with it, or would they get afraid? I had no problem with boxed hard drives before but that might be a bit much.0 -
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Got an offer of 220 GBP for a used 2700x, good deal? No info on why they are selling, hopefully not a bad chip.0
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So I picked up the 'used' Ryzen 2700X for £220, from one of the worst neighbourhoods in Manchester (and that's saying something). The original thermal paste was still on the fan so it was actually unused, which is nice.
So here is where I stand (got an old GPU from my brother in law):
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor (Purchased For £220.00)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (Purchased For £140.20)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 760 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card (Purchased For £0.00)
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 275R (White w/Tempered Glass) ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For £63.00)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For £64.28)
Mouse: Logitech - MX Master Bluetooth Wireless Laser Mouse (Purchased For £39.00)
Other: AmazonBasics High-Speed HDMI Cable - 10 Feet (Latest Standard) (Purchased For £5.15)
Other: Vitalitim 2.4Ghz Full-size Ergonomic Wireless Keyboard for Desktop PC Lunix Windows Mac IOS Google Android TV - UK Layout (Purchased For £19.99)
Other: Corsair MM100 Mouse Pad - Black (Purchased For £6.00)
Other: Power Strips with USB ports 3 Way Outlets 6 USB Ports Surge Protection Power Strip Universal Power Socket with 2M Bold Extension cord Smart USB charger Power (EU Plug, Black-Grey) (Purchased For £15.80)
Total: £573.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-27 18:23 BST+0100
Now I need to pick a decent board. Wonder If I should wait till the B450 boards come out, or just go with a x470. I might as well overclock now that I got a X version Ryzen so unsure if B450 can actually OC or not. No interest in SLI but would like WiFi.
Boards of course are going to be easy to pick compared with the Ryzen RAM cluster ****.0 -
Well might as well let you guys know the final build. Going to put it together this weekend
Went with one of the new B450 boards, to save a few coins, I'll have to down-clock the RAM to 3400 or 3200, which I don't mind, I might get better timings on it.
I will be using a UHD Samsung TV to power it until I move it home to be the motherland.
Only thing is I may need a better GPU to power this at 4K above 25Hz, which will be painful to look at (ghosting when moving a window). Hopefully the TV can display in 1080P.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor (Purchased For £220.00)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (Purchased For £140.20)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 760 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card (Purchased For £0.00)
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 275R (White w/Tempered Glass) ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For £63.00)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For £64.28)
Mouse: Logitech - MX Master Bluetooth Wireless Laser Mouse (Purchased For £39.00)
Other: AmazonBasics High-Speed HDMI Cable - 10 Feet (Latest Standard) (Purchased For £5.15)
Other: Vitalitim 2.4Ghz Full-size Ergonomic Wireless Keyboard for Desktop PC Lunix Windows Mac IOS Google Android TV - UK Layout (Purchased For £19.99)
Other: Corsair MM100 Mouse Pad - Black (Purchased For £6.00)
Other: Power Strips with USB ports 3 Way Outlets 6 USB Ports Surge Protection Power Strip Universal Power Socket with 2M Bold Extension cord Smart USB charger Power (EU Plug, Black-Grey) (Purchased For £15.80)
Other: TEAM GROUP DARK PRO " EDITION" 16GB (2X8GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C16 3600MHZ DUAL CHANNEL KIT - BLACK (Purchased For £164.00)
Other: MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC (Purchased For £131.80)
Total: £869.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-21 10:05 BST+01000
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