Formula 1 2018 - Round 11 – Hockenheim

Charlie-Bravo

https://www.accuweather.com/en/de/hockenheim/68766/weather-radar/167282

There's rain building and tracking down from the north. Plenty of rain off to the east of Hockenhieim. Good chance it'll drop something in the next hour or so.

Inviere

astrofluff wrote: »

https://www.accuweather.com/en/de/hockenheim/68766/weather-radar/167282

There's rain building and tracking down from the north. Plenty of rain off to the east of Hockenhieim. Good chance it'll drop something in the next hour or so.

Some of the shots on Sky there, the sky looked a bit ominous. Fingers crossed for some decent rain. I'll take anything other than a pole to flag procession.

blackdog2

astrofluff wrote: »

https://www.accuweather.com/en/de/hockenheim/68766/weather-radar/167282

There's rain building and tracking down from the north. Plenty of rain off to the east of Hockenhieim. Good chance it'll drop something in the next hour or so.

It had a golden shower for half three, then a light dribble at 4, all disappeared now

AMKC

I think there is going to be a big crash or two in this race. It's going to be a crazy race. Thought Silverstone was good. The beginning of this race is going to be crazy.

Whiplashy

AMKC wrote: »

I think there is going to be a big crash or two in this race. It's going to be a crazy race. Thought Silverstone was good. The beginning of this race is going to be crazy.

I’m not convinced. Unlikely to get two good races in a row these days. Hope you’re right though.

skipper_G

blackdog2 wrote: »

It had a golden shower for half three, then a light dribble at 4, all disappeared now

Yeah it's saying no rain for the next 2 hours now. There's a heavy looking cloud in the background though so not entirely impossible for a shower during the race

walshb

Why the “odd” start time? That’s a couple Grand Prix I have noticed starting at odd times, as in not on the half or the hour..

I'm calling a podium for Hamilton if he keeps it clean. Starting on the softs will give more than the 2 lap advantage suggested there.

skipper_G

walshb wrote: »

Why the “odd” start time? That’s a couple Grand Prix I have noticed starting at odd times, as in not on the half or the hour..

All races this year start at 10 past the hour. Was changed for this year

walshb

skipper_G wrote: »

All races this year start at 10 past the hour. Was changed for this year

No way. Didn’t realize. Any reason why?

Ghost Train

Very clean start, sound like a bit of rain still on the cards at some point

Mike Litoris

Raining already!! Ric not able to do much from the back with the mediums.

walshb

walshb wrote: »

No way. Didn’t realize. Any reason why?

TV, so shows can start on the hour.
Not annoyed about the 10 minutes but the hour does annoy me. If a race started at 1 it was over well before 3, get stuff together and go and do something, now they're not over til 4 which is just outside the sweetspot for last minute things to do.

skipper_G

walshb wrote: »

No way. Didn’t realize. Any reason why?

Yeah it was a change to accommodate broadcasters who's coverage starts on the hour. So they don't have a cold start for the viewers they can give a quick intro before the start proper

walshb

skipper_G wrote: »

Yeah it was a change to accommodate broadcasters who's coverage starts on the hour. So they don't have a cold start for the viewers they can give a quick intro before the start proper

Thanks. Just read up on it on Sky Sports.

skipper_G

With the way the field has spread already Hamilton will do well to come out of this with P5

zetecescort

Modern drivers are a pity, might aswell have waved Hamilton through when they were on the grid and no doubt this will be praised as brilliant driving from Hamilton. He'd find more resistance to passing on the m50

skipper_G

skipper_G wrote: »

With the way the field has spread already Hamilton will do well to come out of this with P5

How? He's 4 seconds off 5th with more durable tyres. 5th is the absolute bare minimum.

flazio

This isn't gearing up to be a great race.

skipper_G

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How? He's 4 seconds off 5th with more durable tyres. 5th is the absolute bare minimum.

Hamilton is 16 seconds behind Verstappen in P4. If the race is dry and strategy goes as planned P5 is all but guaranteed but Verstappen should be clear

walshb

zetecescort wrote: »

Modern drivers are a pity, might aswell have waved Hamilton through when they were on the grid and no doubt this will be praised as brilliant driving from Hamilton. He'd find more resistance to passing on the m50

And Brundle describing it like looking at Senna in your rear view mirror...

Harika

flazio wrote: »

This isn't gearing up to be a great race.

Indeed needs rain or degradation to kick in

flazio

flazio wrote: »

This isn't gearing up to be a great race.

Hamilton could be a joker later on. Red Bull will regret chickening out on their alternate strategy if it doesn't rain, Hamilton will catch him and should be on quicker tyres later.

Whiplashy

If there’s no rain this is going to be dull

skipper_G

skipper_G wrote: »

Hamilton is 16 seconds behind Verstappen in P4. If the race is dry and strategy goes as planned P5 is all but guaranteed but Verstappen should be clear

Yeah but "doing well to get 5th" ain't accurate. The alternate strategy is going to work out nicely for Hamilton, without weather/safety car shenanigans he should come back into play later on. Talk is a one-stopper but looking at how well the softs are going for Hamilton a soft-soft-ultrasupersoft alternate strategy would be worth a shot.

Mike Litoris

flazio wrote: »

This isn't gearing up to be a great race.

Needs a couple of safety cars. Apart from Hamilton and Danny Ric there aint much happening out there.

Mike Litoris

walshb wrote: »

And Brundle describing it like looking at Senna in your rear view mirror...

We need another Eddie Irvine in the sport!

H3llR4iser

I can understand midfield drivers not going too much out of their way to fight people in faster cars, but this is absolutely ridiculous - they're basically waving Hamilton past. Not surprised about Ocon, but Alonso and Leclerc I would have expected to at least show a bit of balls. Same thing happened in Silverstone with both Hamilton and Raikkonen coming through the field.

Ferrari going for a 2-stopper then, assume they're covering off Hamilton.

H3llR4iser

H3llR4iser wrote: »

I can understand midfield drivers not going too much out of their way to fight people in faster cars, but this is absolutely ridiculous - they're basically waving Hamilton past. Not surprised about Ocon, but Alonso and Leclerc I would have expected to at least show a bit of balls. Same thing happened in Silverstone with both Hamilton and Raikkonen coming through the field.

They're not allowed to weave and with DRS the difference is too big and all they'd be doing is slowly themselves down.

seamusk84

Sacrificial Raikkonen again I think.

flazio

Anyone else picking up a strange buzzing sound on Ricciardo on board?

H3llR4iser

Deleted User wrote: »

They're not allowed to weave and with DRS the difference is too big and all they'd be doing is slowly themselves down.

Then don't just let them go in the twisty part. Keep your driving and wait for the "inevitable" pass in the DRS zone - which isn't "inevitable" apparently, Ricciardo has been stuck behind Alonso for a while.

zetecescort

H3llR4iser wrote: »

I can understand midfield drivers not going too much out of their way to fight people in faster cars, but this is absolutely ridiculous - they're basically waving Hamilton past. Not surprised about Ocon, but Alonso and Leclerc I would have expected to at least show a bit of balls. Same thing happened in Silverstone with both Hamilton and Raikkonen coming through the field.

From 11th down fair enough but its nonsence to see drivers in points positions doing it

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H3llR4iser

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Then don't just let them go in the twisty part. Keep your driving and wait for the "inevitable" pass in the DRS zone - which isn't "inevitable" apparently, Ricciardo has been stuck behind Alonso for a while.

You can cover one side of the track. Go narrow and with DRS they'll go wide and get past and you're offline. Riccardo's got the **** engine, a Ferrari or Merc with DRS is a different beast.

Faugheen

Lads, F1 bores the tits off me nowadays.

The cars are far too grounded and the dirty air is far too much. Once a car gets within two seconds they get tankslappers.

Bring back refuelling (I know it won't happen) to have some form of strategy too.

Some great driving at the hairpin between them 3 there.

Ferrari both 2-stopping on softs?

seamusk84

Come on rain! Safety car would also be acceptable.

Alonso still not pitted. It sure what the thinking is there.

ScrubsfanChris

Deleted User wrote: »

Ferrari both 2-stopping on softs?

Vettel did 26 laps plus qualifying on the Ultra soft tyres, surely he can do 40 laps on the soft?

Rossi IRL

Rain Rain Rain

Please rain now

H3llR4iser

Faugheen wrote: »

Lads, F1 bores the tits off me nowadays.

The cars are far too grounded and the dirty air is far too much. Once a car gets within two seconds they get tankslappers.

Bring back refuelling (I know it won't happen) to have some form of strategy too.

Refueling brought the most insanely boring racing F! has ever witnessed - unless you were in Italy back then (Ferrari winning every race makes racing "exciting" there ). Races like the 1997 Italian grand prix with the first 6 cars within 1 second of each other for 53 laps and exactly 0 overtakes nor any attempts between them. F1 has always been quite "boring" to the casual viewer, it's not Nascar. The same argument went around in the 70s, 80s and so on

Deleted User wrote: »

You can cover one side of the track. Go narrow and with DRS they'll go wide and get past and you're offline. Riccardo's got the **** engine, a Ferrari or Merc with DRS is a different beast.

That rule has actually been dropped (silently I have to say, I realized about it earlier this year, so it's easy to not know about it) as a part of the "Verstappen package". Still, nothing that can be done in the straights, but what Ocon, Alonso and Leclerc (on Ricciardo) did is just "please, be my guest".

Faugheen

25 laps on the softest tyre, which is two compounds down from the middle tyre.

What's the point in these races when most require one stop?

ScrubsfanChris

Ah fup!

flazio

Danny, why didn't you just leave it out on the track? Cleared without even a VSC.

Mike Litoris

Ric out again.

Rossi IRL

For this rain to make it good it has to happen before Hamilton pits so that when the 2 of them put they will be battling to the end.

Knowing our luck the rain will happen when the race ends

Faugheen

Faugheen wrote: »

25 laps on the softest tyre, which is two compounds down from the middle tyre.

What's the point in these races when most require one stop?

It's ****ed but hard to blame Pirelli because whatever they do is wrong. :pac: Other than a specific set of circumstances at certain tracks the tyres don't degrade across the compounds as it "should". Once in a while there'll be a track where the hard tyres don't degrade at all but the others degrade at a similar rate to each other but one will be a second a lap quicker. With the different surfaces and weather it's not gonna be easy to find compounds that will work the way they want across the season.

skipper_G

Goddamn Tag Heuer power unit, another DNF for Danny Ric