Formula 1 2018 - Round 11 – Hockenheim

kopite386

10 second time penalty for Sainz

TheChrisD

Ghost Train wrote: »

Will Hamilton get penalty for that I wonder. Maybe confusion about which Mercedes was being called in

Has to. Absolutely has to. Passed the bollard for the entry to pit lane, then deliberately drove off the track to go back onto the main circuit.

If that's not a 27.3 violation, I don't know what is. If you tried to do that in NASCAR or IndyCar you'd be slapped with a penalty so fast...

walshb

Rossi IRL wrote: »

If positions were reversed they would be told the same for this race.

Mercedes need a 1-2. The whole Mercedes higher ups are there for this race.

I still hate team orders. Ferrari's team order was worse, telling a driver to let the car behind overtake is worse than telling the car behind to hold position in my eyes.

Ferrari more telling Kimi not to hold up Seb, who was clearly faster...that is proper team orders...

Rossi IRL

TheChrisD wrote: »

If you tried to do that in NASCAR or IndyCar you'd be slapped with a penalty so fast...

Which is completely irrelevant as this is Formula 1

flazio

TheChrisD wrote: »

Has to. Absolutely has to. Passed the bollard for the entry to pit lane, then deliberately drove off the track to go back onto the main circuit.

If that's not a 27.3 violation, I don't know what is. If you tried to do that in NASCAR or IndyCar you'd be slapped with a penalty so fast...

Not even under investigation. If it was to be investigated, it'd would be by now.

TheChrisD

TheChrisD wrote: »

Has to. Absolutely has to. Passed the bollard for the entry to pit lane, then deliberately drove off the track to go back onto the main circuit.

If that's not a 27.3 violation, I don't know what is. If you tried to do that in NASCAR or IndyCar you'd be slapped with a penalty so fast...

I don't anything in 27.3 that he violated tbh.

Vic_08

Deleted User wrote: »

Would have gone with a "Go **** yourself James" there myself. :P

Rosberg would have too.

walshb

What a comeback win, and what a 1-2 Merc result!

TheDoctor

What a drive from the Champ!!! Legend

TheChrisD

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't anything in 27.3 that he violated tbh.

Deliberately left the track to avoid having to drive through the pit lane, and thus gained the advantage of not having to drive at pit-lane speed. Cut and dry to me.

27.3 wrote:

Drivers must make every reasonable effort to use the track at all times and may not deliberately leave the track without a justifiable reason.

Drivers will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with it and, for the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.

Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage. At the absolute discretion of the race director a driver may be given the opportunity to give back the whole of any advantage he gained by leaving the track.

walshb

Did Lewis pit the same number times as Botas and Kimi?

TheChrisD

TheChrisD wrote: »

Deliberately left the track to avoid having to drive through the pit lane, and thus gained the advantage of not having to drive at pit-lane speed. Cut and dry to me.

You have it bolded, justifiable reason. Someone makes a mistake it's justifiable.

ctrl-alt-delete

So there you go, Love won it for Hamilton.

ScrubsfanChris

Mercedes team radio Hamilton wins

walshb

walshb wrote: »

Did Lewis pit the same number times as Botas and Kimi?

No, he 1-stopped.

TheDoctor

One of the greatest drives of all time

Cool_CM

Feck. Fair fups to Mercedes and Lewis, but I'd say that it's more having your rival crash out of the lead that conquers all.

skipper_G

Double points finish for Force India is nice. Shame Mercedes played team orders at the end, Bottas had fresher tyres there was a fight there

walshb

Deleted User wrote: »

No, he 1-stopped.

Was that ultimately why he won, his one stopping and he s good tyre choice?

ctrl-alt-delete

Deleted User wrote: »

No, he 1-stopped.

1 and a little bit :pac:

Simon Gruber Says

Well, that was disappointing

TheChrisD

Deleted User wrote: »

You have it bolded, justifiable reason. Someone makes a mistake it's justifiable.

A justifiable reason would be a car crashed in the pit entry making it literally impossible to enter... Your engineer being indecisive is not.

Charlie-Bravo

Hulkenberg, great drive.

Harika

Besides the obvious, great jobs from hulk, grosjean, force India, Ericsson and hartley.

Ghost Train

Love conquers all... Ok

Mercedes a little lucky
Nice that the bit of rain mixed it up

ScrubsfanChris

TheDoctor wrote: »

One of the greatest drives of all time

Rossi IRL

TheChrisD wrote: »

Deliberately left the track to avoid having to drive through the pit lane, and thus gained the advantage of not having to drive at pit-lane speed. Cut and dry to me.

Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage.

He didn't gain any time as it was under the safety car, he didn't overtake anybody by cutting the track. He also rejoined when it was safe to do so, ie not at racing speeds.

walshb

F1 celebrations are cringe!

TheDoctor

TheDoctor wrote: »

One of the greatest drives of all time

Definitely not.

walshb wrote: »

Was that ultimately why he won, his one stopping and he s good tyre choice?

That and luck with timing, safety car and his teammate being told not to attack.

TheChrisD wrote: »

A justifiable reason would be a car crashed in the pit entry making it literally impossible to enter... Your engineer being indecisive is not.

Let's see what they decide, but if out-braking yourself is justifiable then I'm sure a miscommunication is too.

donspeekinglesh

TheDoctor wrote: »

One of the greatest drives of all time

You're joking. Not even in the top 100. He won because of team orders and a rival that messed up. He'd have to give everyone a one lap headstart to have any win in any recent Merc to be considered a great.

Faugheen

Lol so many tears.

Charlie-Bravo

At no stage did they say stay out to Hamilton, that was a complete fluke. There should be a rule about the pit lane entry and you committing to it. Once past the bollard, keep to the chosen side should be the rule.

flazio

I'm not a mod but please please PLEASE. Give over with all the Lewis gushing and bashing.

donspeekinglesh

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

You're joking. Not even in the top 100. He won because of team orders and a rival that messed up. He'd have to give everyone a one lap headstart to have any win in any recent Merc to be considered a great.

It was a very good drive, I don't like him but can't deny that. There was plenty of luck, somehow his tyres lasted ages (have to credit him partly for that) despite traffic and he got lucky with timing of rain and SC and there were the team orders. Too many caveats for it to be one of the great drives.

RobertKK

I think Lewis was praying yesterday at qualifying when his car failed and he was knelt beside it.

Charlie-Bravo

flazio wrote: »

I'm not a mod but please please PLEASE. Give over with all the Lewis gushing and bashing.

Ok, I feel sorry for Bottas as he is the true winner today.

donspeekinglesh

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage.

He didn't gain any time as it was under the safety car

He gained a load of time compared to driving through the pit lane, which is what should have happened after he committed to pit entry.

ctrl-alt-delete

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage.

He didn't gain any time as it was under the safety car, he didn't overtake anybody by cutting the track. He also rejoined when it was safe to do so, ie not at racing speeds.

Where would he have ended up had he either continued through the pit or pulled in behind Bottas who was delayed at his stop,

That bit would explain if he got any lasting advantage or not.

Whiplashy

You gotta love Kimi. He knew exactly what they meant!

Rossi IRL

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

You're joking. Not even in the top 100.

Cringe, it's undeniable that he is one of the greats.

Faugheen

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage.

He didn't gain any time as it was under the safety car

He gained a load of time compared to driving through the pit lane, which is what should have happened after he committed to pit entry.

Have you got the data there?

If you haven't, then you're guessing.

Frank Bullitt

Cracker of a race, although would have preferred more rain to really whip it up.

Hamilton was stellar today, just fast all around and kept the tires alive for that long stint. Vettel will be kicking himself hard for that one!

Mercedes boss to Hamilton:

Harika

https://twitter.com/hlawiczka/status/1021045913517809664?s=20

Interestingly how many mid fielders stopped for inters

flazio

Now the rain really falls.

Whiplashy

Now it buckets down....typical

ScrubsfanChris

Typical, race is over and we have torrential rain

donspeekinglesh

Faugheen wrote: »

Have you got the data there?

If you haven't, then you're guessing.

No I'm not. He lost 2-3 seconds hopping across the grass. It takes 15 seconds+ to drive though the pits.

Ghost Train

Did find this post about the pit entry in interlagos
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZx1SKXCIAAhyqL.jpg

skipper_G

I love how simple and straight forward Force India kept the strategy, a nice clean 1 stop and let the rest go on inters and full wets (yes looking at you Toro Rosso you absolute clowns)