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Le Tour '18 stage 12: Bourg-Saint-Maurice > Alpe d'Huez 175k

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    #182
    Dr. Bre
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    tuxy wrote: »
    Cycling like robots has nothing to do with doping though. It's their massive budget to get the best GC contenders and domestiques that are so good they would be GC riders for any other team. Also highly calculated moves based on power meters.

    Bernal could prob win it if he was on other team..


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    #183
    Kerry Cowboys Ted
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 47 ✭Kerry Cowboys Ted


    tuxy wrote: »
    He lost a good few minutes :(
    10th 5' 11'' down

    Thank you. He needs a good few mountain days to recover that large gap now.
    No win likely for him at 5 11 down.
    I had hoped for a to 5 this year


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    #184
    retalivity
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    fat bloke wrote: »
    How are Sky so consistently out-budgeting everybody? Dan's Arab patrons can't be short of cash to buy a fleet of botox-foreheaded super domestiques surely?

    Ah but the arab lads dont understand the nuances of 'marginal gains' - they'd need to buy brailsford as well


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    #185
    dahat
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    Nibali is out as well, fractured vertebrae.

    A real pity.

    [url]


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    #186
    CrowdedHouse
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    https://twitter.com/mrconde/status/1020007194799026180

    Seven Worlds will Collide



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    #187
    tuxy
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    Kerry Cowboys Ted wrote: »
    Thank you. He needs a good few mountain days to recover that large gap now.
    No win likely for him at 5 11 down.
    I had hoped for a to 5 this year

    If he had a team he would be top 5. Even when he was with quick step he would occasionally get help from a domestique, this year he is pretty much a solo rider.
    fat bloke wrote: »
    How are Sky so consistently out-budgeting everybody? Dan's Arab patrons can't be short of cash to buy a fleet of botox-foreheaded super domestiques surely?

    Sponsors will put the money in when they know their name will be everywhere for 3 weeks straight.

    Fly emirates have advertising in so many sports I guess they decided to only put a small amount into cycling. Same with what ever king/prince has invested, probably just threw loads of money at many sports and cycling was way down the list.


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    #188
    Sal Butamol
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    Meh. So fed up with Mr Inhaler and friends.


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    #189
    greedygoblin
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    tuxy wrote: »
    Sponsors will put the money in when they know their name will be everywhere for 3 weeks straight.

    Fly emirates have advertising in so many sports I guess they decided to only put a small amount into cycling. Same with what ever king/prince has invested, probably just threw loads of money at many sports and cycling was way down the list.


    Sky can't be too happy though with all the booing taking place as their riders cross the line. Maybe the time will come when all the negative publicity will cause them to re-evaluate their involvement in cycling?


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    #190
    tuxy
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    greedygoblin wrote: »
    Sky can't be too happy though with all the booing taking place as their riders cross the line. Maybe the time will come when all the negative publicity will cause them to re-evaluate their involvement in cycling?

    Perhaps but I don't think that will make Sky reconsider sponsorship. It would take a larger scandal for that.
    A big part of it is how the media spins it. Sky are trying to sell a service mainly to British people many on whom will probably consider what happened today to be jealousy on behalf of the French.


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    #191
    [Deleted User]
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    My partner asked me what I thought earlier. If Froome had won these I'd not have been all that bothered really we'd choke on it but we have for the last how many tours? Thomas though makes me think of bloody skoda and le col ads :mad:


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    #192
    Lumen
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    I'm not sure what race anyone else was watching, but what I saw was a bunch of GT contenders having a bit of a slow bicycle race up the last bit of the Alpe (as evidenced by Nibali and Martin clawing back so much time) and then the best sprinter getting it on the flat section.

    Proper bike racing. Not really sure how it could have been more entertaining.

    Froome isn't going to win on this sort of stage without playing to his strengths, i.e. sustained super-maximal efforts when everyone is on the limit.


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    #193
    Macy0161
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    I'm really not seeing the out of the blue aspect of Thomas tbh. He's been building towards this for a few years, since he decided to focus on stage races rather than the classics. He's won several stage races, including Paris Nice and the Dauphine.

    Reading some comments you'd swear his last cycling performance was the Olympics, like the rest of his road career didn't happen. He's far more believable than his (still) team leader.

    Again, tactically the race went great for him. Froome attacking meant he could sit on, well he could anyway as yellow Jersey, then bardet opened the sprint way too early.


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    #194
    irishrover99
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    dahat wrote: »
    Nibali is out as well, fractured vertebrae.

    A real pity.

    [url]

    Another nail in the coffin of shame for neymar.

    Broken back? Who cares. Ger up that mountain


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    #195
    Lusk_Doyle
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    Kerry Cowboys Ted wrote: »
    Thank you. He needs a good few mountain days to recover that large gap now.
    No win likely for him at 5 11 down.
    I had hoped for a to 5 this year

    He will never win the tour. He's not good enough nor lucky enough and will never have a team dedicated to him to help him there.


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    #196
    Lumen
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    Lusk_Doyle wrote: »
    He will never win the tour. He's not good enough nor lucky enough and will never have a team dedicated to him to help him there.
    "Not good enough" is a broad brush. Dan's weaknesses are time trialling and inability to avoid bad days.

    But he makes the Tour worth watching and comes across as an all round top geezer so it's all good.


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    #197
    Macy0161
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    Lumen wrote:
    "Not good enough" is a broad brush. Dan's weaknesses are time trialling and inability to avoid bad days.
    The bad days are normally crash related, which does also come down to the team strength to a large degree.

    I also don't think he has a GC mindset. He's not happy racing conservatively.


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    #198
    MPFGLB
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    Macy0161 wrote: »
    The bad days are normally crash related, which does also come down to the team strength to a large degree.

    I also don't think he has a GC mindset. He's not happy racing conservatively.

    The Tour is won by top TTers who can climb

    not by climbers who can maybe on a good day not lose too much time in a TT

    Indurain, LeMond, Roche, Wiggins, Froome, Evans Armstrong (well have to include him here) were all top TTers who could climb
    Contador even coudl pull it out of he bag on TTs

    Dan Martin is a very poor TTer....

    Dumoulin and Bernal , Roglic and even Thoma are class TTers and are possible future winners

    Dan Martin can win stages , classics and stage races without much TTing

    If I were him I'd try for another stage in this Tour and I would also make sure I am top for the Worlds ..a race he can win


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    #199
    WinnyThePoo
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    I like Dan just the way he is. He's been one of the most proactive riders so far this tour.


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    #200
    mloc123
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Thomas though makes me think of bloody skoda and le col ads :mad:

    Remember the year Wiggins won it? Where Froome dragged him up every mountain stage and then stepped aside.


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    #201
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Folks,
    There's a rule about doping speculation. In it's in the charter. In it's in a sticky reminding people about it. And we warned about it yesterday. You can't say you haven't been warned. I've carded a few people for it this morning and deleted several posts quoting them.

    Please, please, don't say or suggest someone is doping unless it has been proven they have.

    Thank you.


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    #202
    Lusk_Doyle
    Registered Users Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Lusk_Doyle


    Lumen wrote: »
    "Not good enough" is a broad brush. Dan's weaknesses are time trialling and inability to avoid bad days.

    But he makes the Tour worth watching and comes across as an all round top geezer so it's all good.

    Like I said, not good enough. You have to be tops (almost) across all disciplines and he is not.

    Great guy amd entertaining no doubt but not a tour or any GT winner. No a bad thing as he has had his big wins and will continue to elsewhere.


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    #203
    ford2600
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    Lumen wrote: »
    "Not good enough" is a broad brush. Dan's weaknesses are time trialling and inability to avoid bad days.

    But he makes the Tour worth watching and comes across as an all round top geezer so it's all good.

    Dan's two weakness are there for good. He's never going to be a good TT'er.

    To avoid bad days he'll have to dope. Can't see it. Not growing up in that house.

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling-upholding-his-familys-values-29365832.html

    Its worth reading for part 2 and Vaughters alone

    It not because his Irish, he's a little more English than Irish anyhow :pac:


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    #204
    Kerry Cowboys Ted
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    ford2600 wrote: »
    Dan's two weakness are there for good. He's never going to be a good TT'er.

    To avoid bad days he'll have to dope. Can't see it. Not growing up in that house.

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling-upholding-his-familys-values-29365832.html

    Its worth reading for part 2 and Vaughters alone

    It not because his Irish, he's a little more English than Irish anyhow :pac:

    Hes a very proud Irishman to be clear


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    #205
    ford2600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    Kerry Cowboys Ted wrote: »
    Hes a very proud Irishman to be clear

    One can identify with more than one nation.

    I have two nephews with a Columbian mother born and raised in Sicily with USA passports. Nephew and niece in Baltimore with an American father. Another niece born in USA but living in Ireland.


    They are all Irish..


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