Total weapon joining team

Diceicle

Turkish1 wrote: »

You say the approach is obvious (re going to the market) so why arent you doing so? Or perhaps you have but not mentioned it - if so how did you fare?

Leaving isn't my end goal - I'm a couple of years off that yet as the package would have to be fairly good to consider leaving my employer - work/life stuff.

Turkish1 wrote: »

Bitter - I mean your whole attitute here seems to show resentment towards someone who has worked themselves into a more advantageous position than you in the workplace (at least financially) while seemingly being obviously inferior to you. Overall this type of resentment can be commonly referred to as being 'bitter'.

They have not 'worked' themselves anywhere. It was given through attrition and being promoted out. Nothing about quality here. To be real for a minute, my conduct here is dictated by the interactions I receive. My professional life and behaviour in a professional setting is a completely seperate thing.

Turkish1 wrote: »

So can you clarify why this person is a total weapon? So far you have said they are perfectly nice to talk to, competent in their current role and have a history of being sick. Perhaps i missed something but IMO they are not the criteria that would classify someone as a total weapon.

'Weapon' wasn't meant to get into the title - can't recall if i put it in the OP but that word carries the wrong connotation - Victim would be more suitable. I suppose this would be a person who you could have a coffee with a lunchtime, talk to in the corridor but eventually their lack of presence in the office etc and what appears to be hypochondriac tendencies will wear thin. By and large I'm actually pretty sympathetic to their personal situation.

Diceicle

Glass fused light wrote: »

If you are not front line client facing marketing your role is a cost to the marketing department, the PA role benefits by directly supporting the client facing role.


But unless it's assigned to you it's your choice.

Thanks I'll take that on board

anewme

Diceicle wrote: »

Unless my phrasing was off / I didn't make myself clear - I didnt want opinions per se. Tactics was what I craved.
I get ratty when people are being a-holes. Can't help it. Would have been happy to have polite interactions without the attacks - already pointed out the 'weapon' in the title was a mistake on my part - that was meant to be a working title.


Jesus Christ, you dont think I go on like this in work do you? I wouldn't have a job. Are you always the same all the time? Work-wise I would be described as polite and hard working(I imagine)

See above.

You are getting ratty because people don’t agree with you.

Don’t under estimate people.

Your hostility and negative attitude is so visible.

Why do you think so many people have seen through this?

You would not be able to mask this. They know in work.

Bitterness only effects the bitter party.

Diceicle

fritzelly wrote: »

What someone else is paid is no business of yours, you admit you are paid the going rate - why do you think you should be paid more when they could hire someone else tomorrow for the same wage (and probably less)

Its like there's an echo in here.....
Sorry, can't go over this ground again.

fritzelly wrote: »

PA roles are generally well paid positions just due to the nature of the job

€60k? I know some PA's are paid well, and deservedly so - but they'd be (to my mind) more akin to office managers. Bear in mind, I know the job this PA will do - I know it very well.
Also, they're not currently a PA so its a new role to them. Not like we're getting an elite PA here.

mada82

I think the OP is on the wind up. No one lacks this much self awareness.

Well played OP you reeled a good few in.

Diceicle

listermint wrote: »

Youve dressed it like your an extremely green DBA salary increases don't even appear to be a valid request given your greeness.

It sounds like your actually only figuring out the DBA role and moved from some other skillset.

If however you were a mid or senior level DBA you might have a point. It seems you don't given current information

I've barely explained my role on this thread. Its not what i'm after - but I'll keep playing. One or two are giving some good input though.

Diceicle

davo10 wrote: »

The yanks would say you "doubled down" on this post,

Doing my bit to keep boards alive and active.

fritzelly

Diceicle wrote: »

Doing my bit to keep boards alive and active.

The self importance is definitely alive and kicking

mada82

Why don’t you take your own advice you posted on a thread about lazy colleagues a few weeks ago?

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Document your evidence where your colleagues are lacking - dates, times, what wasn't done that should have been.
Bring a copy to your line manager (LM).
Strongly suggest that you collaborate on a report that will be sent to head manager.
Leave LM with the understanding that it's going to head manager with or without their input.
Unquote

Diceicle

anewme wrote: »

You are getting ratty because people don’t agree with you.

Don’t under estimate people.

Your hostility and negative attitude is so visible.

Why do you think so many people have seen through this?

You would not be able to mask this. They know in work.

Bitterness only effects the bitter party.

Thank you, Dr. Anewme.
I'm salty when someone fires first or make a plainly stupid assumption about me personally - but they fire first. You'll notice that any interaction where someone has attempted constructive assessment of my sitation I have been quite cordial.
Seen through what? Mask what? This is the kind of pseudo-intellectual ballaxology that turns alot of people off of boards, you know?
Here's a newsflash, just because someone can be a bit salty on one thread does not mean that they are that person all the time - or even that person right now.
Right now, I'm listening to some nice music and and winding up people on the internet. Tomorrow I'll spend time with my family. And next week will in all probabilty be a grand and uneventful work week. No bitterness around.
Are you the same person 24/7, online and offline?

Diceicle

fritzelly wrote: »

The self importance is definitely alive and kicking

If realism is self-imortance I don't know what to tell you.
Maybe one of the good Doctors on this thread can diagnose you.

Diceicle

mada82 wrote: »

Why don’t you take your own advice you posted on a thread about lazy colleagues a few weeks ago?

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Document your evidence where your colleagues are lacking - dates, times, what wasn't done that should have been.
Bring a copy to your line manager (LM).
Strongly suggest that you collaborate on a report that will be sent to head manager.
Leave LM with the understanding that it's going to head manager with or without their input.
Unquote

That's terrible advice!

listermint

Diceicle wrote: »

I've barely explained my role on this thread. Its not what i'm after - but I'll keep playing. One or two are giving some good input though.

You just moved into a low level DBA role for a marketing company.

Sounds handy even handier at 50k . You could sleep walk into daily tasks.

Sounds ultra difficult.....

Diceicle

listermint wrote: »

You just moved into a low level DBA role for a marketing company.

Sounds handy even handier at 50k . You could sleep walk into daily tasks.

Sounds ultra difficult.....

You believe everything you read, don't you?

listermint

Diceicle wrote: »

You believe everything you read, don't you?

You wrote it. You believe everything that your reading.

Don't you


Ohhhhhhhh damm son

Diceicle

listermint wrote: »

You wrote it. You believe everything that your reading.

Don't you


Ohhhhhhhh damm son

What?
Dear God.
I'm deliberately obscuring details.
For example, I dont actually work for a marketing company....

anewme

Diceicle wrote: »

What?
Dear God.
I'm deliberately obscuring details you dolt.
For example, I dont actually work...

This is more like it in fairness.

Diceicle

anewme wrote: »

This is more like it in fairness.

Working on that arm-chair psychology degree in my spare-time if that counts...

anewme

Diceicle wrote: »

Working on that arm-chair psychology degree in my spare-time if that counts...

Well might have better earning potential for you, so crack on.

Diceicle

anewme wrote: »

Well might have better earning potential for you, so crack on.

Touche, Dr.

screamer

I love the moral high grounders I this post OP. Let me tell you, the majority of people would feel the same way. This smacks of a sideways promotion whereby the weapon is too much hassle/ trouble in current role and rather than someone grow a pair and manage her out, they've moved her sideways to be someone else's problem. I'd be very clear with my own manager and state I will help to settle her in etc but I won't take up slack or take ****e from her. A good approach is always to raise your concerns about the effect she could have on the team dynamic, and this is true when weapons move to harmonious teams they usually stir the pot and the door starts to rotate......

Mrs OBumble

Diceicle wrote: »

.... I'm in Jnr-mid management type role ... [spacing added to highlight the imporant point]

I've recently been moved to a much more technical DBA / Developer type role.

..... This new team member would be of mid-manager level (but not a manager
.....

How can I (or should I) have management take stock of the fact that I am in a more technical / key role on a lesser salary to someone who is basically answering the phone and checking emails and being put out to pasture?

Alternative way of reading this:

You've proven to the company that you're not management material. So they've moved you into a technical role to keep you busy, and are putting in a middle manager whose actual main role will be to keep an eye on you and make sure you don't rub too many more people up the wrong way.

All the best with your job hunting.

fyi DBAs are almost obsolete these days. Database self-tune to a great extent. You'll do better with different keywords for your CV.

fritzelly

The OP omitted the fact that this other employee is his wife

anewme

On days like this I just thank fck I'm single.

Diceicle

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Alternative way of reading this:

You've proven to the company that you're not management material. So they've moved you into a technical role to keep you busy, and are putting in a middle manager whose actual main role will be to keep an eye on you and make sure you don't rub too many more people up the wrong way.

All the best with your job hunting.

fyi DBAs are almost obsolete these days. Database self-tune to a great extent. You'll do better with different keywords for your CV.

Not even close to reality. This person will have zero authority.

Diceicle

screamer wrote: »

I love the moral high grounders I this post OP. Let me tell you, the majority of people would feel the same way. This smacks of a sideways promotion whereby the weapon is too much hassle/ trouble in current role and rather than someone grow a pair and manage her out, they've moved her sideways to be someone else's problem. I'd be very clear with my own manager and state I will help to settle her in etc but I won't take up slack or take ****e from her. A good approach is always to raise your concerns about the effect she could have on the team dynamic, and this is true when weapons move to harmonious teams they usually stir the pot and the door starts to rotate......

100% here.
Some boardsies just like taking people down a peg so they get personal very quickly.

StupidLikeAFox

Diceicle wrote: »

The real problem if you are actually interested and as I think I've outlined - is paying a premium for low skill.

You say they are "paying a premium for a low skill" - that is your opinion only and unfortunately your opinion doesn't count for ****. Others have pointed out this is none of your business but let me put it another way. If you go to your manager and start talking **** about your colleagues that will reflect badly on you. If it comes across that you are doing this in order to leverage a pay rise, it will look twice as bad.

Other employees circumstances are nothing to do with you. You are not a senior manager, and if you come across as lecturing the management on how to run their business you will come across as an arrogant tosser. Coming with an attitude of "I want her to be paid less and me to be paid more because i think im better then her" is akin to a kid in a playground wanting another childs toy. Not sure how this is so hard to realise, the issues of salary and conditions are nothing to do with you and are literally above your pay grade.

If you want a raise you need to earn it, justify it or move on to greener pastures. This other employee has no bearing on what you earn.

listermint

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Alternative way of reading this:

You've proven to the company that you're not management material. So they've moved you into a technical role to keep you busy, and are putting in a middle manager whose actual main role will be to keep an eye on you and make sure you don't rub too many more people up the wrong way.

All the best with your job hunting.

fyi DBAs are almost obsolete these days. Database self-tune to a great extent. You'll do better with different keywords for your CV.

Self tuning database...... Tbh sack all your DBAs and see how self tuning any large database is after a few weeks. There is no obsolescence in database management. Working with extremely extremely large data sets I can tell you , you will not operate without a squad of DBAs at all.


Of course running a little local database for some local pop up shop you don't need them. But anything remotely at scale.....

beauf

I don't get the DBA comment. Experienced DBA salaries seem to on a par if not higher than Developers. Far less common I suppose if they have good experience. Jnr DBA seem to a lot more common and lower salaries than jnr developers. But there's not a lot in the difference. I don't see any of it being replaced by automation. A shift in skillset to more cloud based products maybe.

beauf

Diceicle wrote: »

. ..

How can I (or should I) have management take stock of the fact that I am in a more technical / key role on a lesser salary to someone who is basically answering the phone and checking emails and being put out to pasture?
....

Out perform them and become the go to guy and people will bypass the other person.

C3PO

OP - you display a serious lack of Emotional Intelligence. If you hope to progress in just about any field of employment you will need to address this. I would suggest making that a priority rather than focusing on someone else's performance issues!