Driven demented looking - decent petrol motor c. €17/18k

spitonmedickie

Guys and girls here might have some ideas for me - my current driving is c17,000km a year. Not worth a diesel i don’t think but any car I’m interested in (decent spec and comfort and space) is diesel only - 2015 Pugeot 508 allure, 2015 kadjar or 2016 megane (not paddy spec ones), 2016 Mazda Cx3 for example. Auris hybrid is a bit plain for me and i can’t afford a new model Prius (don’t like the interior of the old model). Lexus CT250h seems a bit small and even then, they’re quite expensive. I’m currently driving a 2011 so would like to move up a few years to ideally 2015/16. Any obvious choices I’m missing?

Mooooo

The is300h thread has a few cars in your budget

spitonmedickie

Mooooo wrote: »

The is300h thread has a few cars in your budget

Thanks but didn’t fancy going to the UK and they all seem to be c.2014 (the one’s I saw) while Irish ones that price are high mileage and a lower spec. Will look again though! Seems to be one of the only alternatives!

Philb76

Octavia tsi

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-e-class-e300-hybrid-204bhp-2014/18324787

That would do a genuine 70 mpg. Comfort ,style,

colm_mcm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-e-class-e300-hybrid-204bhp-2014/18324787

That would do a genuine 70 mpg. Comfort ,style,

Wouldn’t be so sure of it actually doing 70mpg
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/mercedes-benz/e-class-w212-2009/e300-bluetec-hybrid

dermo2014

Are you trading in ?
If not get a mazda 6 up the north.

spitonmedickie

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-e-class-e300-hybrid-204bhp-2014/18324787

That would do a genuine 70 mpg. Comfort ,style,

Was in a taxi one recently and he was saying it was what I wanted! Sadly about €3k over budget

spitonmedickie

dermo2014 wrote: »

Are you trading in ?
If not get a mazda 6 up the north.

Have a car to trade in - would be my preference to a private sale

colm_mcm

What are you driving now?

spitonmedickie

colm_mcm wrote: »

What are you driving now?

Decent spec 2011 diesel megane coupe

colm_mcm

With respect, you won’t have dealers falling over themselves to take your trade in, but it would be a pretty easy car to sell for more than you’d get as a trade in value. That would give you a lot more freedom in what you buy.

17000km is well into diesel territory imo.

spitonmedickie

Talon Vast Maid wrote: »

17000km is well into diesel territory imo.

Really? Anything I read was suggesting 20000km plus a year at least. I’m currently probably doing the 17k half motorway blasts and half shorter trips around Dublin.

spitonmedickie

Had a bit of a notion that I should look at Alfas!

https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Alfa-Romeo/Giulietta-1.4TB-150HP-SUPER-4D/201807068197346

https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Alfa-Romeo/Giulietta-1.4-M-AIR-170HP-EXCLUSIVE-4DR/32013855808722

colm_mcm

spitonmedickie wrote: »

Really? Anything I read was suggesting 20000km plus a year at least. I’m currently probably doing the 17k half motorway blasts and half shorter trips around Dublin.

The fact that diesel cars aren’t really at a price premium vs petrol these days throws the whole “you need to be doing x per year” thing out the window. That was based on the few thousand you’d pay extra for a diesel vs the savings on fuel.

You could be doing 5000km a year of purely long journies and be suitable for a diesel for example.

spitonmedickie

colm_mcm wrote: »

The fact that diesel cars aren’t really at a price premium vs petrol these days throws the whole “you need to be doing x per year” thing out the window. That was based on the few thousand you’d pay extra for a diesel vs the savings on fuel.

You could be doing 5000km a year of purely long journies and be suitable for a diesel for example.

What about their suitability for around town driving though?

colm_mcm

spitonmedickie wrote: »

What about their suitability for around town driving though?

Not disputing that, but the reasoning that you need to do x km per year doesn’t stand up.

Shefwedfan

I would say its not the amount of KM's you are doing but the actual type of driving you are doing. Is it all city driving with some motorway? or is it all motorway with some city driving?

Can you ratio how much is city and how much is motorway?

Example, I done 15k km's last year in one car. All Dublin city with some M50(car park driving) and some motorway(maybe 15%). I spent a little time before buying car and worked out the best fuel type and then found the car to suit....

Shefwedfan

Also if looking for option, outside the box for petrol. You will pick up decent Outlander PHEV for that type of money. But I would give more info first on driving type before ruling out diesel and ruling in petrol

spitonmedickie

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Also if looking for option, outside the box for petrol. You will pick up decent Outlander PHEV for that type of money. But I would give more info first on driving type before ruling out diesel and ruling in petrol

What did you end up getting? My 17,000km pa is about 50% motorway/main road to West Cork regularly. Then the rest is mainly short trips in dublin, across the city, city centre to tallaght etc. not used for daily commuting or anything.

Had a look at phev’s but renting an apartment so can’t home charge and any outlanders in my price range seemed high miles and the lower spec

Shefwedfan

spitonmedickie wrote: »

What did you end up getting? My 17,000km pa is about 50% motorway/main road to West Cork regularly. Then the rest is mainly short trips in dublin, across the city, city centre to tallaght etc. not used for daily commuting or anything.

Had a look at phev’s but renting an apartment so can’t home charge and any outlanders in my price range seemed high miles and the lower spec

I went VW eGolf....wait for the groans from the diesel brigade :P

I had Audi A6 but I was 90% motorway driving, I loved it but I moved house and then I was all city so it made no sense. I was spending a fortune on diesel to sit in traffic.

PM me or post in Electric cars forum if looking at Outlander. You will get more advice. The charging at home could be issue, but if you could charge at work it might be option. You can plug into standard plug.

As I mentioned just an option.

Based on your driving you could go either for diesel or petrol. If you are 50/50....PHEV would suit if you could charge, you will get 30km on full electric out of battery before petrol kicks in.....


Diesel has more options due to the history in this country, it is a bit of a guessing game on the future of diesel. You need to check into that yourself, the diesel brigade get upset if you mention anything

spitonmedickie

Thanks Shefwedfan. Will check out the outlander threads first and come back to you. One thing I had noticed was the ones in my price bracket are pretty high mileage but also the more basic spec. That is pretty much what it's looking like though - I know a hybrid would suit me but I think the old model Prius and the Insight and the hybrid Auris are too basic for the comfort I want and much else is out of my price bracket (Merc hybrid, new prius, CHR, lexus).

Apart from just potentially busting a diesel engine by the wrong sort of driving, equalisation of petrol and diesel excise duties as the CCAC have raised again wouldn't hugely put me off I don't think. It's more if there's a big difference in residuals in 5/6 years or if there's the potential of city bans or something. Might have to see what the Govt's Clean Air Strategy says.

Shefwedfan

Remember the GX3H is a decent spec but personally I would try get the GX4H. You should be able to get a couple of k for your own car. That would bring you close to 20k.

I don't want to go into it in massive details on thread as you are looking for optiond but if that is the car you want to go with you can get loads of tips. Loads of the ones in carzone are all high mileage, they buy them in UK for next to nothing, bring over and whack on a huge margin. Their is a number of specialist dealers who you can deal with.

As you mention, I would expect that government will bring diesel in line with petrol in next budget. Please note I have no evidence of this, just a feeling from all the press releases and the constant articles in press about ireland bottom of climate ladder.

I dont think you would bust a diesel engine with your driving, there is hundred of thousands of people in Ireland doing a 50km roundtrip daily in diesel engines. I pass them everyday on way into work. No other country in the World has it but our wee Island is a special little place :-)

The main consideration is if you can charge up the PHEV. Would you have an ecars charger locally? Do you have parking with apartment? if not could you get something in work? your company can get benefits from government for installation and electricity for chargers......

Edit I dont expect a city ban for diesel for a long time yet. The government dont have the balls. I would expect they will start to increase the tax on diesel for private users. Not in a big whack, but slowly over a period. Of course I could be wrong.....

As I mentioned, you could go with diesel and be very happy in it. It does give you options. Apart from Outlander a Lexus hybrid is a good other starting point. They are a beautiful car.....

Mooooo

spitonmedickie wrote: »

Thanks Shefwedfan. Will check out the outlander threads first and come back to you. One thing I had noticed was the ones in my price bracket are pretty high mileage but also the more basic spec. That is pretty much what it's looking like though - I know a hybrid would suit me but I think the old model Prius and the Insight and the hybrid Auris are too basic for the comfort I want and much else is out of my price bracket (Merc hybrid, new prius, CHR, lexus).

Apart from just potentially busting a diesel engine by the wrong sort of driving, equalisation of petrol and diesel excise duties as the CCAC have raised again wouldn't hugely put me off I don't think. It's more if there's a big difference in residuals in 5/6 years or if there's the potential of city bans or something. Might have to see what the Govt's Clean Air Strategy says.

If your spending 17/18k the residual from anything in that price point isn't going to be great in 5/6 years. I reckon from that point of view it's your next change will have an influence from that regard not this one. If you're doing Dublin to cork regularly a diesel will be fine, as plenty opportunity to blow off cobwebs. Id say look at the hybrid options but if you see a diesel with the toys you want don't rule it out