The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121891434#Comment_121891434

No you wouldn't.

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121891434#Comment_121891434

Everyone is open to their opinion but I dont get that at all.

Cousins is a good QB but hasn't shown he can reach the level that Lamar has, as two time MVP.

Lamar has had injuries but nothing as bad as what Cousins is coming off and Cousins is 10 years older at signing.

The area Lamar falls down is post season but it isnt like Cousins has a great record there.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121892279#Comment_121892279

Em, OK? I mean, I would, but whatever.

Lamar works in Baltimore because they designed their whole system around his approach. It's not a lift and shift, we'd need a completely redesigned playbook and OL/RB to even cover that style of play.

Kirk Cousins on the other hand is a mediocre QB, an above average journeyman who, while he won't win you games on his own, he won't lose them for you either. If we have a team around Kirk we could do well. We're not going to have either, so it's moot anyway, but yes I'd prefer cousins to lamar, any day of the week. Unless I'm playing madden of course!!

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121892267#Comment_121892267

Too much woke crap and not enough focus on coaching. He wasnt ever a coordinator in the NFL and I wasnt a fan of him getting the job on that basis.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121892518#Comment_121892518

It's not just about who can throw the ball further, or run faster. Kirk fits better into most teams as a drop in generic journeyman. Lamar brings a complete different style of play. If the falcons had embraced Vick in the same way baltimore embraced lamar and threw the playbook out the window when he arrived, there could have been an SB win with vick.

As I outlined in post 7654 above, I would go for cousins over lamar based on the probability of success and the less need for change.

AbusesToilets

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121892518#Comment_121892518

Lamar hasn't shown he can win in the playoffs. The performance in the AFCCG was abysmal. Cousins is no world beater, but he's pretty consistent as a passing QB.

Jackson's MVP this season was a joke, perhaps the weakest candidate in modern history.

el Fenomeno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121892743#Comment_121892743

Not enough focus on coaching?

He's in the job 2 months, and he's not allowed coach any of his players yet per league rules.

What do you mean? What coaching do you expect to have seen by now?

And what "woke crap"?

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121892902#Comment_121892902

If you read my post you'd see I accepted Lamar's playoff issues, however Lamar has double the post season wins than Cousins despite being 10 years younger

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121892761#Comment_121892761

We're talking about the specific scenario of the Falcons, not plugging either of them into a random team.

Last offseason, when Lamar was an option for the Falcons, they were just coming off Mariota being their starting QB who uses legs, Riddler also did a lot of designed runs in college. Falcons also already had a good run game and OL to support the run.

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893094#Comment_121893094

Black head coach so Boston is gonna Boston...

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893134#Comment_121893134

I'm speaking more from an NE perspective, from the falcons side of things it probably made more sense to go for lamar all things being equal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893149#Comment_121893149

He can be white black red or yellow, his race is not relevant to me. The woke crap is. It would be the same if say Edelman said it. What's important is being a good coach, not winning diversity awards.

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893159#Comment_121893159

Taking your exact example, Edelman has spoken about his religion and heritage a huge amount over the years and you don't seem to have an issue about it.

Mayo mentions race, when I'm pretty sure someone else brought it up first, and it triggers you and a bunch of Patriots fans.

AbusesToilets

I'm excited for Mayo personally, think a breath of fresh air was needed

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893212#Comment_121893212

He has never asked for special treatment because of his religious beliefs or heritage, or said the lack of religious players or coaches was a problem.

Love 2024 where every time anyone disagrees with a black person they are automatically deemed as racist.

AbusesToilets

To be fair, there's a not an equivalent history of Jewish players being exploited and discriminated against.

el Fenomeno

If you had said your problem with Mayo was simply that he was never a coordinator, that would have been fine. That argument can be countered by pointing to Andy Reid, Dan Campbell, Zac Taylor etc. who were never coordinators either, but it's not an outlandish stance to take

To claim he was hired just to "win diversity awards" isn't a good look.

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893332#Comment_121893332

What specific quotes did Mayo say that you disagree with so strongly?

So far you've just attacked a black man for being 'woke'.

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893332#Comment_121893332

He was not a diversity hire for the sake of diversity. Like him or lump him he was groomed for this role for the last few years. That is why he got the job.

He might still be terrible, I have no issue with Eagle Eye's complaints on him but he didn't immediately start blaming wokeness for everything wrong.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121895884#Comment_121895884

He's talking about changes and he basically threw Bill Belichick under a bus.

What successful head coach have you heard saying either or both of those things when they got the job?

I was excited when he got the job, I felt he could be a really good one but all this talk is worrisome. It's not only him, Wolf is at it as well.

It's at the stage now that if they take a QB at 3 I'll have no confidence in them.

Even an amateur like me knows that taking a QB that high with the risks attached is a horrendous move with all the holes on our offense. You've got a guaranteed success, best player in the draft, who'll be there at 3 and WR is a huge need for us, probably bigger than QB at the present time. Once you have the tools in place to protect him and the weapons to give him the chance to be successful then you need a QB. For now stick with Brissett and bring in another vet or somebody like Penix or Nix or even some of the other QBs lower than them and take a chance. If it doesn't work out you can draft one next year or pick up a free agent again and take another gamble on a QB.

Fact of the matter is that based on ability in the pocket Penix and Nix are, if anything, more NFL ready than Daniels.

People are looking at the intangibles that Daniels brings to the table, things that more often than not don't transfer successfully from college football.

I don't want a regular season QB who sucks in the playoffs like Lamar or Michael Vick, I want a guy who can go all the way. You need a guy whose great in the pocket to be successful in the playoffs,

el Fenomeno

What specifically did he say that makes you think he was throwing Belichick under the bus?

All I can see him having said was that he was going to do things differently but hoped to have the same level of success. He even said that wasn't to be taken as a shot at Belichick.

el Fenomeno

Aaron Donald has retired

AbusesToilets

always a petulant loser when things didn't go his way

I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct

Kenny Pickett traded to the Eagles... Omar Khan is clearing house

https://steelersdepot.com/2024/03/schefter-steelers-trade-qb-kenny-pickett-to-eagles/

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893701#Comment_121893701

I remember him saying I'm not taking shots at Bill but immediately then saying everything needs to change and things will be done differently which is taking a shot. This happened on a couple of occasions.

eagle eye

I don't think Pickett was that bad. He didn't have a great offensive line. He didn't throw many touchdown passes but that's down to the Steelers running the ball in the red zone. He improved in year 2.

I'm not saying hes great or even close but there was progression prior to his injury. I'd have given him another year.

Realt Dearg Sec

Fields going to the Steelers for a 2025 6th, going to a 4th depending on playing time. I think a LOT of bears fans really overrated how valued he would be by the league. That is a really terrible haul for a guy I think is still at the very least a serviceable backup. But it is what it is. And it means we're taking Williams.

eagle eye

Kinda think he'd suit the Steelers who like to run the ball a lot.

Realt Dearg Sec

He suits the Steelers as a backup to Wilson anyway. It's a good situation for him, because I think Wilson is unlikely to go a whole season without injury, and indeed Fields could even beat him to the job, and either way he'll be under less pressure to do it all than he was in Chicago, better coaching set up, not coming in as a first round pick etc. How he does well there, I liked him

I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121901015#Comment_121901015

Nah Pickett is very poor. He stares down his receiver, doesn't go through his progressions , throws into double coverage and scrambles needlessly. He's frustrating to watch. A poor attitude on top of all that helped seal his fate in Pittsburgh. I supported him longer than most did there's only so much a team can put up with especially at QB. I don't expect him to be in the NFL in 2 years.

I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121904139#Comment_121904139

Don't be surprised if they take a QB at no. 20 either. Let him sit behind Wilson and Fields for a year or 2 and learn like the Packers did with Aaron Rogers and Jordan Love.

boccy23

The problem with trading for Fields is that he is entering into the 4th season. Nobody is going to trigger the 5th season if they traded for him. And if he is successful for a period, what contract could you sign him to? The value that the Bears got is about what could be expected.

adrian522

Well if he is one and done in Pittsburgh you probably get a decent comp pick if he signs elsewhere. You also get exclusive negotiating rights to him in the interim, its a good low risk trade for the Steelers.

If he plays well you can work out an extension, if not you can let him walk next year.

The_Honeybadger

They don’t need to give Fields the fifth year option they can just see how this year goes and extent him if they want him back for 2025. Wilson will likely have moved on if that happens and Fields would have no reason not to re-sign

The Steelers methodology of patience and stability appears to have been tossed out under the new front office. It’ll be interesting to see how this works out for them

ArmaniJeanss

A huge, major, even ginormous change to the rules next year - kick-offs are going to go from being boring to one of the most important phases of play as the XFL-type kick-off is going to be part of the game.

New NFL kickoff procedure, rule changes for 2024 season – NBC New York

I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct

I like the new kick-offs idea they were gone stale. Shame nothing being done about QBs fake sliding and making defenders give up on tackles.

Fr Tod Umptious

Charlie Smyth fromer Down GAA under 20 goalkeeper signs with the Saints.

This is the guy who sent an email to enquires@nfl.com a few years ago wondering how to get a job as a kicker in the NFL.

He kicked a decent 63 yarder on a windy day in practice a few days ago at the IPP facility.

https://twitter.com/SleeperNFL/status/1773774881391509846?t=wbwMnGksA6x95QELHjYM3Q&s=19

Now there's a long way between now and the final roster cuts but it a good start for him.

odyssey06

Chiefs sign Welsh rugby union & Lions player Louis Rees-Zammit

Rees-Zammit signed a three-year contract with the Chiefs - typifying the faith shown in the Welshman by Andy Reid's team as IPP players aren't guaranteed any length of contract. He has also been given a guaranteed salary in addition to a signing bonus. He has targeted a hybrid role playing at both wide receiver and running back, and his next task will be to try to earn a regular-season roster spot.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/american-football/68686340

el Fenomeno

Chiefs might need him as a WR with Rashee Rice on the run from the cops following a hit and run in Dallas overnight.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958581#Comment_121958581

Highly unlikely he will be making the active roster as a wide receiver.

If he does make it it will likely be as a return specialist.

Xavi6

A busy few days for the Chiefs with Rees-Zammit signing, Rice's stupidity, and now JK Dobbins in the building for a visit. They also re-signed CEH for another year so that probably, and sadly, means the end for McKinnon who has been brilliant.

eagle eye

No draft thread.

Please Patriots do not join the Jags, Jets and 49ers drafting a QB at three. Those QBs were Bortles, Darnold and Lance. No other QB has been drafted at three in the last ten years.

I think Penix is the best QB prospect in this draft.

el Fenomeno

Penix to the Falcons at #8 is the first big shock.

Dont think anyone had them taking a QB.

eagle eye

Blank is a clown, I've said that many times.

Belichick saying he likes him a lot. He didn't like all the top rated QBs.

Xavi6

Good draft so far if you need defensive players.

Xavi6

This is funny

https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1783698005197250581

Xavi6

Happy with that Chiefs pick, surprised the Bills allowed the trade though.

Fr Tod Umptious

I'd say the LasVegas and Denver are fuming with Atlanta taking Penix.

With them and Minnesota needing a QB, and Minnesota already expected to take McCarthy there would be only Nix left when it came around to Denver at 11 and LV at 12.

So Denver had to take Nix even though he was said to be the lowest prospect of the top six QBs, and Las Vegas were left without any of the top six QBs.

Chicago did well getting Oduze.

AbusesToilets

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122064411#Comment_122064411

GM should be fired immediately, criminal waste of a pick

Foxtrol

Oh, Falcons. Could have gone in for Lamar, instead are now paying similar money for Cousins and spending a top 10 pick on his replacement due to his age and injury.

Really like Morris but the whole thing is a mess.

letowski

Especially with Penix’s age, it’s not a green 21 year old that can benefit from sitting and learning the ropes of the NFL. Assuming Cousins plays out the contract, Penix will be in his late 20s when he’ll emerge as starter (all going well). He’s not a first round QB talent anyway imo.