The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

Adamocovic

jack presley wrote: »

Browns with the win though

Baker was absolutely firing. Something I found interesting is Bills and Browns have both only won when the other has this season, and both have the same bye week.

Wonder how long that will continue!

Onecoolcookie

Teryl Austin fired as Bengals DC

Quite a fall from grace for him, heavily touted as a HC candidate a few seasons back and the Bengals are usually very reluctant to get rid of coaches mid season

Foxtrol

jack presley wrote: »

2 weird stats from the season

1. There have been no lead changes in any Redskins game. First team to score, never relinquishes lead and goes onto win.
2. KC have won all 9 coin tosses.

https://deadspin.com/these-are-my-two-favorite-weird-nfl-stats-1830333870

Another extremely weird stat is Alex Smith has thrown for exactly 178 yards in 3 out his last 4 games

Guffy

Paully D wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mattschneidman/status/1061780633200934913?s=21

Jordy retired

Oat23

Guffy wrote: »

Jordy retired

Can't blame him if he does. He was sold a lie to sign there. Gruden lied to all of them when he was planning to tank all along. That's why they are all pissed. He created this atmosphere himself.

helimachoptor

Seems a bit petty by the Bengals to notify the authorities
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000987513/article/payton-on-broken-fire-alarm-needed-noise-to-stop

eagle eye

helimachoptor wrote:

Seems a bit petty by the Bengals to notify the authorities

Of all the teams to do that this would be the one I'd least expect to do something like this. The amount of players with seriously checkered histories that have played or are playing for that club is quite large so I wouldn't think they'd be so keen on calling the cops.

Itssoeasy

The air quality in Santa Clara where the niners play is terrible as a result of the fires in California. Amber Theo Harris of NFL network is there to cover the game and she put up a picture of her bloodshot eyes from just being out in the air. It can't be nice to play in.

Also, it seems the field at the stadium azteca in Mexico City is in a terrible state before next weeks game there.

thomond2006

Oat23 wrote: »

Can't blame him if he does. He was sold a lie to sign there. Gruden lied to all of them when he was planning to tank all along. That's why they are all pissed. He created this atmosphere himself.

It seemed like everything turned on the Mack trade. Prior to that it looked like Oakland were looking to win now with all those veteran moves.

thomond2006

The Peterman era is over!

boccy23

thomond2006 wrote: »

The Peterman era is over!

Well when Matt Barkley comes off the street essentially, and seriously outperforms him, it was coming.

phatkev

thomond2006 wrote: »

The Peterman era is over!

I feel sorry for him! If he'd been given a chance to play the Jets he would have looked like a top teir QB and he's career might have lasted an extra week!!

eagle eye

Thing is Barkley looked very talented in college, might still be a good one.

Paully D

Interestingly, the top 3 defenses this season all have losing records.

1) Bills
2) Ravens
3) Jaguars

I haven’t watched as much of the NFL this year as I usually do, but I was shocked to see Buffalo #1!

D9Male

That is interesting (I assume by top 3 defenses, you are using yards allowed as a metric). It does show the shortfalls of this metric - the more advanced DVOA defensive ratings have the Bears as the best defense in the league. That said, most of the top teams this year (Rams, Saints, Chargers, Patriots, Steelers and Chiefs) have middling to bad defenses.

Shedite27

D9Male wrote: »

That is interesting (I assume by top 3 defenses, you are using yards allowed as a metric). It does show the shortfalls of this metric - the more advanced DVOA defensive ratings have the Bears as the best defense in the league. That said, most of the top teams this year (Rams, Saints, Chargers, Patriots, Steelers and Chiefs) have middling to bad defenses.

The top offences often concede the most points too, not because they're bad defenses, but that teams go for it more against them. No point in kicking FG's against Saints, Chiefs, Rams - your not gonna beat all those TD's with FG's

Adamocovic

phatkev wrote: »

I feel sorry for him! If he'd been given a chance to play the Jets he would have looked like a top teir QB and he's career might have lasted an extra week!!

That's the thing though. I wanted Peterman to be good but how do we know he'd actually have shown up against the Jets.

Disappointed it didn't work but after 8 games he's been given more than enough chances to try so some signs of promise but it hasn't happened. 3 TDs and 12INTs, then getting outplayed by Barkley, easy decision.

Will be interesting to see what happens next for him.

The QB I feel for most, but still has his job is CJ Beathard, think he's a solid player and now Mullins stepped in and shone taking the backup spot. I believe CJ would have done well if he wasn't injured. Kyle is still mad on him though so may not be the end but I do hope he can find himself somwhere else.

Realt Dearg Sec

Adamocovic wrote: »

Will be interesting to see what happens next for him.

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Insurance sales?

Knex*

eagle eye wrote: »

Thing is Barkley looked very talented in college, might still be a good one.

I really wonder how much that shoulder injury affected him. He doesn't have the strongest arm in the world these days, that's for sure.

I'd love to see him push on and actually vie for a starting job next year. Be a great story if nothing else!

Paully D

Randall is a big fan of the hire anyway! :pac:

https://twitter.com/randalltime/status/1062371790586961921?s=21

Oat23

Confirmed that Bell is done in Pittsburgh. Not reporting by 4pm.



https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1062446265483583489

OOnegative

Oat23 wrote: »

Confirmed that Bell is done in Pittsburgh. Not reporting by 4pm.



https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1062446265483583489

Being a Steelers fan, not sad to see this.

Shedite27

OOnegative wrote: »

Being a Steelers fan, not sad to see this.

Being a Bell owner in fantasy, sad to see this

Shedite27

Rams/Cheifs game in Mexico has been moved back to LA due to a dodgy pitch.

Rams practiced at altitude past 2 days to get ready for Mexico

Itssoeasy

Shedite27 wrote: »

Rams/Cheifs game in Mexico has been moved back to LA due to a dodgy pitch.

Rams practiced at altitude past 2 days to get ready for Mexico

Yeah the pictures I've seen it looked like it was a mess in some parts. The international game home teams have to keep their home stadiums free for issues like this.

jack presley

thomond2006 wrote: »

The Peterman era is over!

Interesting opinion from John Gruden about Perterman before the 2017 draft.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/heavy.com/sports/2018/11/nathan-peterman-cut-jon-gruden-comments-raiders/amp/

D9Male

Yeah, I don't like what Gruden is doing with the Raiders, but any draft analyst is going to look like a genius or a moron, depending what quotes you cherry pick.

I think there are way more concrete examples every Sunday of what a tool Gruden is.

paulie21

SNF flexes

Week 13: Steelers @ Chargers
Week 14: Rams @ Bears

Foxtrol

Steelers players again showing their class by going through Bell's locker and taking what they wanted when he didnt show up. Hopefully karma catches up with them and they get screwed when it comes to their next contract.

Shedite27

Foxtrol wrote: »

Steelers players again showing their class by going through Bell's locker and taking what they wanted when he didnt show up. Hopefully karma catches up with them and they get screwed when it comes to their next contract.

If some lad being greedy cost my team an opportunity to be more competitive (more salary to spend elsewhere), I wouldn't have much love for him either.

Guffy

Shedite27 wrote: »

If some lad being greedy cost my team an opportunity to be more competitive (more salary to spend elsewhere), I wouldn't have much love for him either.

Give over. Nobody bemoans the fact QB's get paid so much money and running back get more of a beating. The Steelers front load their contracts and bell only had about 30 mill guaranteed over 5 years.

If the RB is replaceable and he didnt deserve the contract fair enough, but you can't turn around and say that he cost the team the anything by not showing up.

Foxtrol

Shedite27 wrote: »

If some lad being greedy cost my team an opportunity to be more competitive (more salary to spend elsewhere), I wouldn't have much love for him either.

Presume they’ll all be happy to sign one year deals at the vet minimum for the rest of their careers seeing as they’re such team players.

Calling him greedy just shows total ignorance. For some reason time and again fans side with and relate more to billionaire owners than players, who in many cases come from nothing, and are trying to make the most of their short careers.

If you want to blame anyone it is on the Steelers front office. They chose to risk tagging Bell again rather than make a long-term deal. Bell flagged well before he was tagged that he may sit out the 2018 season if they did and that has now come to pass. Bell was as much within his rights to not sign the franchise as the Steelers were in tagging him. Steelers managed to turn the situation into one where both sides lost.

Either way even if those players mistakenly 'dont have much love' for Bell, rummaging through his locker and taking what they want, especially in front of the media, is far from classy.

adrian522

Bells mistake was telling his team mates that he would be back for week 1. It was pretty selfish not to turn up for his team mates. It must grate with some of his lower paid team mates to see him pass up $14m and not turn up when everyone was expecting him to.

Not a bad strategy for Bell to get as much money as he can but he should have come clean much earlier that he wasn't coming back without a new deal.

OOnegative

adrian522 wrote: »

Bells mistake was telling his team mates that he would be back for week 1. It was pretty selfish not to turn up for his team mates. It must grate with some of his lower paid team mates to see him pass up $14m and not turn up when everyone was expecting him to.

Not a bad strategy for Bell to get as much money as he can but he should have come clean much earlier that he wasn't coming back without a new deal.

You should be happy, one or the teams he’s heavily touted to be joining is the 49ers.

adrian522

49ers are more than happy with Breida (UDFA), McKinnion and Mostert who looked very good.

I don't see any way they would be paying Bell in free agency. And given the production Steelers have gotten from Conner it shows they were correct to not give a huge deal to Bell.

I'm sure someone will pay him but he may not get what he thinks he is worth,.

OOnegative

adrian522 wrote: »

49ers are more than happy with Breida (UDFA), McKinnion and Mostert who looked very good.

I don't see any way they would be paying Bell in free agency. And given the production Steelers have gotten from Conner it shows they were correct to not give a huge deal to Bell.

I'm sure someone will pay him but he may not get what he thinks he is worth,.

Someone will pay him & my gripe with Bell is the point you made, it’s the not being open & honest to team mates, most on an OL that blocked, pulled etc to help make him what he is. I get it’s business but he’s possibly passed up the best chance he’ll have at winning a ring. All his millions in years to come ain’t going to buy him one of those, especially if he signs with a team with plenty of cap space like the Jets.

Foxtrol

adrian522 wrote: »

Bells mistake was telling his team mates that he would be back for week 1. It was pretty selfish not to turn up for his team mates. It must grate with some of his lower paid team mates to see him pass up $14m and not turn up when everyone was expecting him to.

Not a bad strategy for Bell to get as much money as he can but he should have come clean much earlier that he wasn't coming back without a new deal.

Do you have a quote from who claimed Bell told them he'd be there Week 1? I can't find anything solid and Bell tweeted that week denying he said anything.

Bell stated publicly last January that if he was tagged again he could sit out 2018. How much earlier do you want it flagged?

Also, how is it more selfish not turning up when franchise tagged than leaving a team in free agency?

raze_them_all_

OOnegative wrote: »

Someone will pay him & my gripe with Bell is the point you made, it’s the not being open & honest to team mates, most on an OL that blocked, pulled etc to help make him what he is. I get it’s business but he’s possibly passed up the best chance he’ll have at winning a ring. All his millions in years to come ain’t going to buy him one of those, especially if he signs with a team with plenty of cap space like the Jets.

Plenty of players have pawned their rings. I bet they'd rather 80 million

Billy86

OOnegative wrote: »

Someone will pay him & my gripe with Bell is the point you made, it’s the not being open & honest to team mates, most on an OL that blocked, pulled etc to help make him what he is. I get it’s business but he’s possibly passed up the best chance he’ll have at winning a ring. All his millions in years to come ain’t going to buy him one of those, especially if he signs with a team with plenty of cap space like the Jets.

Find me a player who would retire with 50k in the bank and a ring for each finger over retiring with no rings and 20mn in the bank, and I'll show you a liar, or someone tricking themselves into something they'll later regret as they put those rings up for sale on eBay.

adrian522

Foxtrol wrote: »

Do you have a quote from who claimed Bell told them he'd be there Week 1? I can't find anything solid and Bell tweeted that week denying he said anything.

I don't have any quotes and I've no intention of going looking for them. It was obvious from the reactions of his team mates that they expected him to report and to be there for the start of the season.

Foxtrol wrote: »

Bell stated publicly last January that if he was tagged again he could sit out 2018. How much earlier do you want it flagged?

I don't want it flagged at all. It's completely up to him. If that was his plan he should have let his team mates know.

Foxtrol wrote: »

Also, how is it more selfish not turning up when franchise tagged than leaving a team in free agency?

Because when you leave in Free agency the team can make plans to spend that money elsewhere. When you just don't show up for week one it's too late to grab a replacement.

billr67

The Steelers offered Bell a long term deal he turned it down wouldn't sign the tag end of story. He leaves he'll get paid elsewhere and the Steelers will move on with Connor. Anyone that thinks the Steelers have harmed themselves in anyway through all of this just isn't watching what's happening on the field.
If anything the likes of Connor, Hunt, Kamara hell even Phillip Lindsey have shown that investing big money in an older running back simply isn't worth it. Better to split that investment across your offensive line like the Steelers did.
As a Steelers fan I'll always love Bell but if we were to win the SB this year with Connor I'd be even happier. That kids been through hell and just wants to play. If anything he's a far better role model than Bell will ever be.

Foxtrol

adrian522 wrote: »

I don't have any quotes and I've no intention of going looking for them. It was obvious from the reactions of his team mates that they expected him to report and to be there for the start of the season.

Why is Bell at fault for his teammate’s expectations? Surely managing their expectations is the job of the front office and coaches. Just because Bell showed up before the start of the season when tagged previously didn’t mean he was going to do it again.

I don't want it flagged at all.

This part of your post certainly sounded like you did, even though he made comments about sitting out 2018 right back last January.

adrian522 wrote: »

he should have come clean much earlier that he wasn't coming back without a new deal.

Because when you leave in Free agency the team can make plans to spend that money elsewhere. When you just don't show up for week one it's too late to grab a replacement.

Steelers could have let him leave in Free agency and spend the money elsewhere, but they instead chose to gamble that they could leverage him to show up by franchise tagging him again. It isn’t Bell’s fault they made that decision. He had as much right to not sign the tag as others had to walk as free agents and neither action is more selfish than the other.

billr67

The Steelers did nothing wrong, no team would let an asset like Bell just walk out without using the tag. They assumed that he'd sit for a while but nobody expected him to walk away from 14 million. Anyway like I said both sides have gotten out of this now, the Steelers will get their 14mill back and a third round compensatory pick and Bell can go get paid elsewhere.

Foxtrol

billr67 wrote: »

The Steelers offered Bell a long term deal he turned it down wouldn't sign the tag end of story. He leaves he'll get paid elsewhere and the Steelers will move on with Connor. Anyone that thinks the Steelers have harmed themselves in anyway through all of this just isn't watching what's happening on the field.
If anything the likes of Connor, Hunt, Kamara hell even Phillip Lindsey have shown that investing big money in an older running back simply isn't worth it. Better to split that investment across your offensive line like the Steelers did.
As a Steelers fan I'll always love Bell but if we were to win the SB this year with Connor I'd be even happier. That kids been through hell and just wants to play. If anything he's a far better role model than Bell will ever be.

I agree with a lot of that (general value of RBs, Connor’s background) however cant with some of it.

Talk of a long term deal is rubbish, it basically only had the value of the franchise tag this year guaranteed.

I think Connor is good but he isn’t at the same level as Bell. He could prove me wrong from here but Bell was doing things that Connor has not shown yet.

Steelers haven’t split any of Bell’s money across the line or anywhere else as they couldn’t use the cap space while Bell was tagged.

I’m sure Connor just wants to play right now but I’m just as sure things will change for him when he comes to the end of his rookie deal. What Bell is doing will help him when that point comes (obviously CBA could change the whole thing).

billr67

I'm not saying they split the money across the line now they already have one of the highest paid lines in the NFL. I'm saying that's a better investment for other teams than over paying a running back.
The stats also say he's outperforming Bell right now obviously in a smaller sample size but still can't see where the Steelers have played this wrong. Maybe I'd feel different if Connor was a bust but he's been brilliant.

Christy42

billr67 wrote: »

I'm not saying they split the money across the line now they already have one of the highest paid lines in the NFL. I'm saying that's a better investment for other teams than over paying a running back.
The stats also say he's outperforming Bell right now obviously in a smaller sample size but still can't see where the Steelers have played this wrong. Maybe I'd feel different if Connor was a bust but he's been brilliant.

Sure Connor has worked out. The poitt is pay Bell if you want him and don't complain if you don't.

The Steelers could have let him go in free agency and it would have saved some cap space. That would have been optimal. Would have also allowed Bell to see what he is worth on the market.

Foxtrol

billr67 wrote: »

The stats also say he's outperforming Bell right now obviously in a smaller sample size

Stats also say Eli is having the best year of his career. Conner is running up big numbers but he's had a healthy OL, Ben, AB and, JuJu improving on last year and I’m still not seeing him do things that we’ve seen Bell do for years. He has a run of Jags, Broncos, Chargers, Patriots, and Saints in the next 7 weeks so if he can keep up his performances then I’ll definitely take notice.

raze_them_all_

Bell is 100 percent right to sit out. Why risk getting injured, the whole league knows a team will pay him next year

jack presley

Is there any chance the owners will collude with each other to not sign him, to lay down a marker for other players thinking of doing the same or is he too much of a talent to pass up on?

adrian522

jack presley wrote: »

Is there any chance the owners will collude with each other to not sign him, to lay down a marker for other players thinking of doing the same or is he too much of a talent to pass up on?

No, I don't think so, he'll get a deal somewhere but not as much as I think he'll be expecting.