The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

Frankie Cortese

Zero chance of Eli ending up in Jacksonville. Marrone is in the last chance saloon I’m sure he’d have walked from Bortles if not last year then definitely this year, he’s got his wish now & he needs to massive season next year. Eli won’t five him that.

I see Foles in Jacksonville, I can see them swapping first rounders with the Eagles, Jags have the 7th pick. That should be enough, won’t have to include any other pics I wouldn’t think.

Frankie Cortese

Frankie Cortese wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1082284591564681216?s=21



All good Bakers need a kitchen

https://twitter.com/allbrightnfl/status/1082337164011208704?s=21


Momentum seems to be building for Kitchens.

Billy86

Frankie Cortese wrote: »

Zero chance of Eli ending up in Jacksonville. Marrone is in the last chance saloon I’m sure he’d have walked from Bortles if not last year then definitely this year, he’s got his wish now & he needs to massive season next year. Eli won’t five him that.

I see Foles in Jacksonville, I can see them swapping first rounders with the Eagles, Jags have the 7th pick. That should be enough, won’t have to include any other pics I wouldn’t think.

I was thinking flacco and not eli, but foles is a good shout too. Surely someone will give a decent amount for him, esp with another good playoff showing.

mikemac2

Flacco still carries 16 million dead money with 10.5 million cap saving if cut this offseason. It’s not insignificant Sure we spend years of pain carrying the Ray Rice dead money!

If cut after 2020 it’s the other way around with 20.25 million saved and 8 million dead money which is fine I guess.
2021 has zero guaranteed money

I for one don’t want 16 million in dead money in 2019. If they can’t trade him hell just keep him. He’d may well retire. I know I know a backup on 26.5 million is ridiculous but 16 million for nothing is also

The 16 million can be split into 8 million 2019 and 8 million 2020 with a post June 1 cut but that’s not solving much either

Foxtrol

Frankie Cortese wrote: »

Zero chance of Eli ending up in Jacksonville. Marrone is in the last chance saloon I’m sure he’d have walked from Bortles if not last year then definitely this year, he’s got his wish now & he needs to massive season next year. Eli won’t five him that.

I see Foles in Jacksonville, I can see them swapping first rounders with the Eagles, Jags have the 7th pick. That should be enough, won’t have to include any other pics I wouldn’t think.

Can't see the Jags giving up that sort of draft capital for Foles, who in that situation would be due at least $20m in 2019 (which they'll be unlikely able to afford anyway).

If anything the Marrone might trade picks/players to move up in the draft gamble that the QB works out. That would give him some leverage moving forward, showing that they had a new 'franchise QB'.

Foxtrol

Dwayne Haskins just declared for the draft. If he performs well in the run up and stands out as the clear QB1 it could make things interesting at the top.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Giants, Buccs and Jags the QB needy teams in the top 7. Be interesting to see who's going to trade up first. Could see the Raiders and 9ers trading down, and possibly the Jets. Think the cards will hold on to the #1 spot unless they get a ridiculous offer.

eagle eye

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote:

Giants, Buccs and Jags the QB needy teams in the top 7. Be interesting to see who's going to trade up first. Could see the Raiders and 9ers trading down, and possibly the Jets. Think the cards will hold on to the #1 spot unless they get a ridiculous offer.

Cards need to fix their offensive line first I think. No chance for the QB or their RB to perform at a good level unless the sort the OL and there was some nobody you would want to take right at the top of the draft for that need. If they get a good deal from a team in the top 7 I think they'll take it and snap up Jonah Williams.

brinty

Cards could drop five spots pick up a first and pick two first class oline men

Foxtrol

If this is true I'm not sure what they've seen in him. Titans offense wasn't up to much at all last year and he hasn't really done much before. High potential for this to fall into the category I mention a while ago of teams overly reaching for a young OC to copy those that have been successful with them

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1082411956387147777

Frankie Cortese

Foxtrol wrote: »

If this is true I'm not sure what they've seen in him. Titans offense wasn't up to much at all last year and he hasn't really done much before. High potential for this to fall into the category I mention a while ago of teams overly reaching for a young OC to copy those that have been successful with them

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1082411956387147777

What does this mean for McDaniels? He interviewd for the gig didn’t he? Could the Browns get him?

Foxtrol

Frankie Cortese wrote: »

What does this mean for McDaniels? He interviewd for the gig didn’t he? Could the Browns get him?

Rapoport is saying GB was his only public interview so likely back to the Patriots unless something changes now. Wonder if last year played against him.

Jolly Red Giant

Foxtrol wrote: »

Wonder if last year played against him.

Ya think :eek:

brinty

Jolly Red Giant wrote:

Ya think

Serves him right but he'll get a job somewhere

Or drop down into a college HC role and be back in NFL in a year

j8wk2feszrnpao

Frankie Cortese wrote: »

What does this mean for McDaniels? He interviewd for the gig didn’t he? Could the Browns get him?

Just means he'll stay at the Pats. Reports were that he's getting HC money anyway as OC. If he got an interview with the Pack, then he's still in-demand despite last year.

Frankie Cortese

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Just means he'll stay at the Pats. Reports were that he's getting HC money anyway as OC. If he got an interview with the Pack, then he's still in-demand despite last year.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-coaching-rumors-josh-mcdaniels-enthusiastically-interested-in-coaching-browns-baker-mayfield/

Knex*

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsWhLa6hEZq/

Knex*

Foxtrol wrote: »

Due to some poor fantasy decisions I had the unfortunate experience of watching both more than I wished this season and I’ll have to disagree on your assessment of them. I’m not saying Flacco is fantastic, but Eli was incredibly poor even with an amazing array of weapons. Weren’t you one of the ones shouting for Flacco to come in yesterday? I don’t see a world where Flacco is seen as a better option than Jackson (albeit playing poorly) and not a better option than Eli.

I also think the chance you’re giving is more out of hope than reality. I should have clarified that me saying there was a reasonable chance was based on them moving on from Eli (which I think they need to do). There is a poor crop of QBs hitting FA this year and again in the draft. I don’t see them moving up to draft Haskins (if he even comes out). Teams will either overpay Taylor/Bridgewater or pick someone likely a bit cheaper like Flacco.

I was asking for Flacco to come in, but that's a one off game when the starter was playing as bad as you will ever see. I'm not advocating Ravens to start Flacco next season. You can't really compare the two situations.

Fact of the matter is, Eli has been a better QB than Flacco throughout his career. Eli has hit 4k yards 7 times, Flacco just once. Eli has 25 TDs 7 times, Flacco just twice.

Yes Eli has regressed hard, but there's no way you're dumping him for Joe Flacco. Another aging QB with a big cap hit and no real future in the league. It's just not happening.

He has the same issues as Eli in that he isn't mobile and needs time in the pocket to be serviceable, and when he has had that, his career hasn't even reached Eli's standard.

Eli may not be in Big Blue next year, but Flacco certainly will not be.

Foxtrol

Knex. wrote: »

I was asking for Flacco to come in, but that's a one off game when the starter was playing as bad as you will ever see. I'm not advocating Ravens to start Flacco next season. You can't really compare the two situations.

Fact of the matter is, Eli has been a better QB than Flacco throughout his career. Eli has hit 4k yards 7 times, Flacco just once. Eli has 25 TDs 7 times, Flacco just twice.

Yes Eli has regressed hard, but there's no way you're dumping him for Joe Flacco. Another aging QB with a big cap hit and no real future in the league. It's just not happening.

He has the same issues as Eli in that he isn't mobile and needs time in the pocket to be serviceable, and when he has had that, his career hasn't even reached Eli's standard.

Eli may not be in Big Blue next year, but Flacco certainly will not be.

I don’t know how you can on the one hand say Flacco needs a clean pocket to be serviceable and then say he was a potential cure for the issues against the Chargers, when they were destroying the Ravens OL all game and had Jackson scrambling for his life.

I don’t disagree on their respective career achievements, but it doesn’t matter a toss when we’re talking about what they can do now. As was pointed out on the game thread, Flacco had John Brown trending towards a 1000 yard season and it would be generous to Brown to say he’d be the 4th best weapon on the Giants offense.

The biggest thing that stands out in your post is that you’ve avoided the crux of the issue, if Eli isn’t there then who is.

In a perfect world they wouldn’t go near Flacco but when you look at their options is when it starts to make some sense. I don’t see them giving up what will be needed to move up for Haskins, nor overpaying for Taylor or Bridgewater. Trading for someone like Carr is again a questionable move, as he might never be at the level required. What they need is a serviceable QB for next season, hope to draft a QB next year, and then the QB they signed have the maturity to move into the background and become a mentor. Flacco has made a lot of money and I think could take a team friendly deal in the right situation and would do that role well.

Again, I’m not advocating this, nor them picking up any of the FA QBs, as they’ll end up winning too many games. I hate tanking but they’ve boxed themselves into a really bad position by taking Barkley last year so really their best bet is to keep Eli and throw away another season, which is such a waste with the players they have on offense.

It’ll be interesting to see how things play out, especially as I can’t see a situation where the NY media don’t end up pissed off.

Jolly Red Giant

Broncos have informed Taylor, Flores and Pagano that they are no longer considered candidates for the Broncos HC job - down to Munchak and Fangio (with apparently Fangio the favourite).

(Of course they could decide neither is suitable and hire Shanahan).

Foxtrol

In announcing Kingsbury as their head coach Arizona didn't even try to be subtle with their 'any association with McVay will do to be hired'

https://twitter.com/BonaguraESPN/status/1082760386024157185

Paully D

I assume those a la Peter King who were apoplectic about Antonio Brown quitting on his team will feel the same outrage about Kingsbury?

I doubt it.

Shedite27

Paully D wrote: »

I assume those a la Peter King who were apoplectic about Antonio Brown quitting on his team will feel the same outrage about Kingsbury?

I doubt it.

Brown quit during the season. Kingsbury quit after the season didn't he?

Knex*

Yeah, that's quite different.

Brown quit before the biggest game of the season in monumentally asshole fashion.

Paully D

Shedite27 wrote: »

Brown quit during the season. Kingsbury quit after the season didn't he?

He joined USC 4 weeks ago.

Adamocovic

Shedite27 wrote: »

Brown quit during the season. Kingsbury quit after the season didn't he?

He was let go at the end of the season by Texas Tech. USC stepped in and offered a role for next season as their OC, a role he agreed to take and joined them during December.

The criticisms aimed at him is the fact that within 43 days he's been fired, accepted a new College coaching job and then stepped away from it and accepted an NFL head coaching job. It's crazy.

I get that if the NFL come knocking you go but it's not even a month gone since he accepted the role at USC. They had tried to block any talks between him and the NFL teams but eventually allowed him. It leaves their program and HC specifically in a tough situation. Kingsbury was to come in and shape up their offence, something that was needed, and more or less help the HC keep his job. I can understand why people are not impressed.

I wouldn't say it's the same as Browns situation but I still think it wasn't great from Kingsbury. I know he's looking out for himself which he's entitled to do but after commiting to a job after being fired to walk out so soon after isn't great in my eyes, especially considering what he no doubt sold to the USC board when applying.

Then again it didn't harm Bill Belichick, and it is entertaining. Do think it's a strange call by Cards too. The guy has no coaching experience in the NFL, recently lost his HC job in College and the best offer he had received was to get himself back on track as an OC, then fast forward a couple of weeks and he's the head coach of a team in the NFL. Could work out but still a mad timelilne.

eagle eye

Well Texas Tech's offense was the worst I've ever seen in in all my time following football.
I think it's a horrendous decision by the Cards and if I was a player who cares about winning things I'd be looking to get out.

The Cards are the new Browns imo.

Shedite27

Paully D wrote: »

I assume those a la Peter King who were apoplectic about Antonio Brown quitting on his team will feel the same outrage about Kingsbury?

I doubt it.

From this week's FMIA (Peter King's column)...

9. I think the whole Kliff Kingsbury thing (fired at Texas Tech after going 35-40, never been on an NFL coaching staff, jumped to USC as offensive coordinator before waiting to hear if any NFL team would be interesting in interviewing him) is wholly odd. Exactly one month after Kingbury’s got hired to be USC’s offensive coordinator for 2019, USC denied him permission to interview with the Cards and Jets for their head-coaching jobs, which is totally fair. If Kingsbury wanted to work in the NFL, he shouldn’t have taken a college job.

jack presley

eagle eye wrote: »

The Cards are the new Browns imo.

Nah, the Redskins have that title locked up.

Realt Dearg Sec

jack presley wrote: »

Nah, the Redskins have that title locked up.

I dunno lads, John Gruden wants a word.

Knex*

Don't think Gruden is going to be the disaster with the Raiders that a lot are hoping for or expecting, tbh.

The Klingsbury hire will be an entertaining one for outsiders at least. Not sure I'd be happy as a Cardinals fan, however.

That said, not sure I'd be happy with any of the coach hires thus far. If Jets get McCarthy though, I think they'll be laughing. Could be a similar situation to Andy Reid moving to Kansas.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

Well Texas Tech's offense was the worst I've ever seen in in all my time following football.
I think it's a horrendous decision by the Cards and if I was a player who cares about winning things I'd be looking to get out.

The Cards are the new Browns imo.

It could be argued the cards where the Browns first to be honest they just got old in between I'm curious to see how people view the browns in a decade look at the lions now and that haven't been that good just not awful

Foxtrol

Think Arians is a decent enough signing (along with his team) to see if the Bucs can improve with what they have already before taking the option to blow the whole thing up.

Frankie Cortese

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1083046524840484864?s=21

OOnegative

Frankie Cortese wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1083046524840484864?s=21

Delighted to see this as a Steelers fan.

Knex*

And it's done. I like this hire! He had a lot of talent to work with, sure, but the players seemed to absolutely love him too.

Think Broncos can be excited about this one.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1083046454657191936

Knex*

https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1083044789673738247?s=19

Hope that doesn't turn into a McAdoo type situation for them, when the OC gets the head coach job because of his QB work.

Oat23

Really enjoyed being kicked in the balls twice in the last 72 hours.

Happy for Vic though and I hope the report that he is being hired because he has agreed to let Elway have a big say in his staff is untrue.

Jolly Red Giant

Knex. wrote: »

And it's done. I like this hire! He had a lot of talent to work with, sure, but the players seemed to absolutely love him too.

Think Broncos can be excited about this one.

I think it was the best option for Denver at this time.

Fangio will focus on the defence and Gary Kubiak will run the offence.

Jolly Red Giant

Oat23 wrote: »

Happy for Vic though and I hope the report that he is being hired because he has agreed to let Elway have a big say in his staff is untrue.

The Broncos assistants are a good bunch - and have made progress - the big issues last season, after Joseph, were the coordinators.

It will be interesting to see if Joe Woods will remain as DC - with Fangio running the offence and Woods coaching the DBs (which he is good at) - and if Musgrave will remain (and moving back to QB coach - while still possibly retaining the OC title).

BonnieSituation

Oat23 wrote: »

Really enjoyed being kicked in the balls twice in the last 72 hours.

Happy for Vic though and I hope the report that he is being hired because he has agreed to let Elway have a big say in his staff is untrue.

Where are you reading that?

Oat23

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Where are you reading that?

Mike Florio on Chicago radio earlier was who said it.


I thought Bowles to Tampa was already done yesterday but it wasn't which is brilliant! He was always the #1 choice to replace Fangio and I'm glad he didn't sign anything in Tampa until Fangio's future was decided.



https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1083062425673453569

Frankie Cortese

Oat23 wrote: »

Mike Florio on Chicago radio earlier was who said it.


I thought Bowles to Tampa was already done yesterday but it wasn't which is brilliant! He was always the #1 choice to replace Fangio and I'm glad he didn't sign anything in Tampa until Fangio's future was decided.



https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1083062425673453569

Just watched Bruce Arians Football Life on Sky Sports USA today. Bowles spoke in it saying he owes Bruce everything, believed in him at Temple, took him to Arizona & before that Arians insistence of bringing him to Chicago before he got the Cards job is what cost him the Bears job.

Think the film was made in 2014 so things might be different now but if you watch that film, you’d be backing Bowles following him to Tampa.

jack presley

Teams sure to be queueing up to give Gregg Williams their HC job.

https://deadspin.com/gregg-williams-is-now-free-to-talk-to-all-of-those-nfl-1831612222

eagle eye

I thought Williams did a great job with the Browns. I think he deserved a shot at that job after his work as interim HC there.

Oat23

Frankie Cortese wrote: »

Just watched Bruce Arians Football Life on Sky Sports USA today. Bowles spoke in it saying he owes Bruce everything, believed in him at Temple, took him to Arizona & before that Arians insistence of bringing him to Chicago before he got the Cards job is what cost him the Bears job.

Think the film was made in 2014 so things might be different now but if you watch that film, you’d be backing Bowles following him to Tampa.

Yeah he could still go to Tampa of course, but I'm hoping the reason nothing has been announced with that is because he was waiting to see what happened with Fangio.


If Bowles goes to Tampa I'm not sure who will be the Bears next DC.

Foxtrol

Frankie Cortese wrote: »

Just watched Bruce Arians Football Life on Sky Sports USA today. Bowles spoke in it saying he owes Bruce everything, believed in him at Temple, took him to Arizona & before that Arians insistence of bringing him to Chicago before he got the Cards job is what cost him the Bears job.

Think the film was made in 2014 so things might be different now but if you watch that film, you’d be backing Bowles following him to Tampa.

Career wise Bears is probably the better choice to rehabilitate himself. Arians will likely not be the HC for long down there and the Bears talent level on defense is so much higher.

On the other hand, it could be somewhat a poisoned chalice with the Bears as their defense was always likely to regress next year so he could end up taking all the blame when it does, especially if the offense doesn’t improve.

eagle eye

If I were Bowles I'd take the Tampa gig. Bucs D was atrocious last season so nobody is expecting instant success and if he does a good job he might get the opportunity to succeed Arians when he decides to go.

Foxtrol

eagle eye wrote: »

If I were Bowles I'd take the Tampa gig. Bucs D was atrocious last season so nobody is expecting instant success and if he does a good job he might get the opportunity to succeed Arians when he decides to go.

Confirmed he's gone to Tampa. You are probably right with that assessment of things. I would think it was probably still hard to turn down working with the likes of Mack though. The weather and tax situation probably eased the pain.

letowski

Some reports last night that rumour Kyler Murray is going to declare for the NFL Draft.